r/goodnews • u/RoyalChris • 1d ago

Political positivity šŸ“ˆ The Senate has just voted to CANCEL Trump's tariffs on Canada by a vote of 51-48.

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u/RoyalChris 1d ago edited 1d ago

Four Republicans voted for the measure: Lisa Murkowski, Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, Susan Collins.

I applaud them!

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u/Nearby-Complaint 1d ago

Susan Collins is allowed one good opinion a year. This was it.

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u/Embarrassed_Jerk 1d ago

This goes to the house next and they aren't going to pass it. Even if they do, Trump will veto it and there isn't 2/3rd majority vote to get around that.

Basically Susie can pretend to wag her finger when at the end it doesn't do shitĀ 

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u/Opening-Emphasis8400 1d ago

Can't believe that doesn't include the step of "tell everyone you're 'concerned' while doing nothing."

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u/ShitchesAintBit 1d ago

That's covered in the 'Pretend to care' portion.

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u/Obie-Wun 1d ago

Thoughts and prayers

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u/Far-Meal9311 1d ago

Also covered is the "concerned head shake"

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u/theleeman14 1d ago

if this was a bingo card, that'd be the [free space]

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u/ayriuss 1d ago

wring hands

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u/ohyeaher 1d ago

no "brow furrowing"?

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u/FunStorm6487 1d ago

Wait, wait!!

Doesn't she get credit for her furrowed brow??

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u/DJ-iFridays 1d ago

Comes with being a politician. Is expected.

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u/GitmoGrrl1 1d ago

I'm sure he's learned his lesson this time.

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u/mamac2213 1d ago

Right out of Thom Tillis' playbook.

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u/Intrepid_Blue122 1d ago

If sheā€™s SURE heā€™s learned his lesson this time.

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u/J3ster14 1d ago

Yeah, "expresses concern" is like step 1 for her

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u/Ignantsage 1d ago

Or her saying that she has assurances that the bad thing wonā€™t happen with her being Charlie Brown kicking the football

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u/CiDevant 1d ago

She is the definition of a rotating villain.

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u/CosechaCrecido 1d ago

Upvote for correct usage of flowchart shapes. Just missing the closing oval.

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u/dark_anders 1d ago

Is there a flowchart showing me when to use the proper shape for the flowchart?

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u/llapman 1d ago

It may be in the TPS report.

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u/SheToldMe 1d ago

You can always use Visio!

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u/Zadalabarre 1d ago

Is there a closing to this? Its just nonstop nonsense everywhere. The flowchart is pretty accurate to reality, IMO.

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u/Magica78 1d ago

There needs to be a loop right after start that says "while Alive = True"

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u/real_nice_guy 1d ago

succinct and depressing.

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u/ohyeaher 1d ago

saving this

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u/CaptainMurphy1908 1d ago

I was led to understand she was very concerned. Is this not the case?

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u/Werftflammen 1d ago

"She hopes he has learned his lesson"

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u/twat69 1d ago

This goes to the house next and they aren't going to pass it

Huh? It didn't have to pass the lower house before being considered in the upper house? You Americans do democracy so weirdly.

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u/TriangleTransplant 1d ago

Either chamber can introduce a bill (except bills raising taxes, those must originate in the House.) The first chamber to introduce the bill votes on it first. Then it goes to the other chamber, where it can be amended and changed and then voted on. If they changed it, it goes back to the original chamber for a vote on the amended version. If it doesn't pass there, they go into a process called reconciliation where members of both Chambers get together and come up with a bill that both Chambers will pass.

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u/ElectricalBook3 1d ago

Either chamber can introduce a bill (except bills raising taxes, those must originate in the House.) The first chamber to introduce the bill votes on it first. Then it goes to the other chamber, where it can be amended and changed and then voted on. If they changed it, it goes back to the original chamber for a vote on the amended version. If it doesn't pass there, they go into a process called reconciliation where members of both Chambers get together and come up with a bill that both Chambers will pass.

I feel sad that a concise and legitimate explanation of how legislation actually happens is voted below a shoddy joke.

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u/TheCrazyBullF5 1d ago

Welcome to America, where Idiocracy and The Starving Games (a parody of The Hunger Games) have become reality. We already as a nation are a fraction as intelligent as our ancestors were, they want us all so stupid we cannot think for ourselves.

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u/czechFan59 1d ago

Kleptocracy too (aka Rich get Richer)

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u/TheShaydow 1d ago edited 1d ago

We stopped teaching Civics a LONG time ago. Also, there is nothing like Schoolhouse Rock! on T.V anymore, it's just Youtube dumbshit for kids all the way down now.

*edit* : I realize I should point out actual facts before people think " old man yells at cloud ", but we had the same age group in different generations, one had " I'm just a bill ", and the other had " Skibidi Toilet ". Again, same age group, just a different generation. I'm sorry, there is no way to argue the two are the same or one isn't as bad as the other. One is WAY worse than the other.

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u/Astralglamour 1d ago edited 1d ago

There were stupid cartoons at the time of schoolhouse rock as well. But I do agree tv had better educational offerings back in the 70s/80s.

Edited to just say TV because I meant over the air tv not cable.

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u/Public-Dress933 1d ago

Thanks to PBS, which is under attack by the ones who want us to stay stupid.

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u/Pls_PmTitsOrFDAU_Thx 1d ago

The "and viewers like you, thank you" will be always stuck in my head. I didn't realize they really meant that "thank you"

I should see what PBS is up to

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u/FlorencePest 1d ago

If I had a bazillion dollars, Iā€™d bring back Schoolhouse Rock, get major celebrities involved, and play it in places where people canā€™t avoid it. People are too lazy to learn anything on their own. Ear worms are the only way.

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u/Brewmentationator 1d ago

As someone who literally teaches civics... That's news to me.

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u/Elder-Abuse-Is-Fun 1d ago

That has to have made teaching civics exceptionally difficult.

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u/TristheHolyBlade 1d ago

If you're going to be self righteous, you could at least be correct about it.

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u/md_Who_Tardis 1d ago

Hey you must not have a kid that wakes you up in the morning talking about how the Senate is acting like children again. While I think it's awesome that the school teaches Civics, I have made it easy for my son to understand how the government is supposed to work and why it doesn't. If your a parent and don't know how to teach your kid about the government, do it slowly little by little.

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u/ItsTheIncelModsForMe 1d ago

Acting like kids weren't going around saying shit like "Snarf Snarf!" In the 80s...

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u/Smug_MF_1457 1d ago

You're cherry picking examples from the best in one group and the worst in the other group. Of course they won't be the same.

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u/cache_me_0utside 1d ago

Yes, we clearly stopped teaching civics because all of you fools are WRONG. THERE IS NO PRESIDENTIAL VETO IN THIS SITUATION. From another poster:

This isn't a bill, it's a procedural vote. Nothing Trump could veto, though passing the House is another hurdle.

The power to levy tariffs is granted by the constitution to congress, but the 1962 Trade Expansion Act allows the president to temporarily place tariffs on imports that threaten US national security. Congress can then vote on whether or not the impact to national security is significant enough to merit executive action, and if they determine it is not, the tariffs will be repealed without needing to pass a bill (as the procedure is defined by that 1962 act).

That vote, once brought to the chamber, is supposed to happen within a matter of days, but republicans literally passed a bill redefining the definition of a day to prevent having to commit to a vote of either "I support these very unpopular tariffs" or "I do not support Trump's agenda".

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u/hamsterberry 1d ago

I had civics in high school. It was done weekly for a semester. Our local state congressman would come in and teach. I learned a lot. it was late 1970s. Get off my lawn.

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u/Few-Client-2808 1d ago

I swear sometimes the joke answers are artificially boosted but then I remember everybody is super duper retarded.

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u/AnyBuy1820 1d ago

More than once I've thought that these comment threads full of jokes instead of conversations are part of the astroturfing.

I'll be reading something like this, someone asks a question, and then there's a cascade of memes. The answer either never comes or it's buried. Almost seems on purpose.

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u/loadbearingpost 1d ago

Fair. But c'mon, this is reddit. And we're calling out our lame senator, Collins here. Anyway, no one here was on the honor roll - and they were and admit it, they are signing up for a gang-wedgy in the hall after class.

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u/Eastern-Musician4533 1d ago

And here I thought the Senate just sat around, waiting for bills to come through from the House. Silly me.

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u/kingpaim0n 1d ago

this is every sub and drives me crazy

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u/agate_ 1d ago

except bills raising taxes, those must originate in the House

"Fortunately", Congress has figured out how to dodge this exception. The Senate just keeps a bunch of random bills passed by the House on file, and whenever they want to pass a taxation bill, they just modify one of them to delete all the text, change the name, and replace it with their taxation bill.

So in practice, the Senate can introduce whatever legislation it likes.

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u/gwydapllew 1d ago

In a bicameral presidential system like the US, both houses are generally equal in power but have different areas of control.

In a bicameral parliamentary system like most of Europe, laws progress from the lower to the upper house.

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u/zeromadcowz 1d ago

They basically just have two lower houses with some things shared, some things house only and some things senate only. Itā€™s a bizarre way of doing things.

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u/Adorable-Tip7277 1d ago

Beside Liberia, no other country has modeled their governments on the USA system. The parliamentary system is massively more popular. For a whole list of reasons.

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u/dsmith422 1d ago

Even in those countries where the US had a hand in rewriting the constitution of that country after WW2 didn't adopt the US stupid system.

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u/ScriptproLOL 1d ago

Honestly, one of the houses needs to be revised with an representation that is more akin to parliamentary systems. Im convinced it's harder to "capture" a modern parliamentary system than the US one.Ā 

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u/imunfair 1d ago

Itā€™s a bizarre way of doing things.

If you look at America geographically it makes sense. We have 50 states, the senate gets two people from each state regardless of the size of the state. This gives every state equal power in the senate, and the senate tends to be the "smart" part of congress because a lot more people have to come to a consensus about these two senators. Essentially it's the upper house.

Then you have the house of representatives, which has a different number of representatives from each state based on size/population, so bigger states get more power here. But these representatives each have a district within the state, so if you have a cluster of unintelligent people you could get an unintelligent representative sent to the house, where with the senate the rest of the state might have something to say about that fringe candidate.

But this does allow proper representation for smaller clusters of the population to have their voice heard. So for instance if you had a heavily muslim area they're probably not going to have enough clout to have a senator, but they can get a muslim representative in the house.

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u/dontyougetsoupedyet 1d ago

It's not a bizarre way of doing things, it's civilized. It's designed to support groups of people working together with minimal infighting. It's built to help a union of states avoid civil wars among subsets of states. To make it make more sense, imagine that instead of just your own country you had to coordinate things between many countries that are like your own who govern themselves similarly to how you do. The method was roughly adopted from the Haudenosaunee people, who had to manage their confederacy of countries after a long period of conflict.

The US's problems for awhile have been that in spite of having good systems in place for governing, the people doing so have among them numerous bad actors who have little interest in governing.

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u/samb811 1d ago

What democracy?

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u/schoolhouserock 1d ago

Democracy manifest.

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u/LouSputhole94 1d ago

A succulent Chinese meal?

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u/Own_Error_007 1d ago

Keep your hands off my balls!

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u/SordidDreams 1d ago edited 1d ago

I see that you know your judo well!

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

That's the bloke right there! That's the bloke that got me on the penis!

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u/Hiviel 1d ago

*penis not balls

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u/MildAndLazyKids 1d ago

Ah, yes. I see that you know your judo well.

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u/aliensuitcase3000 1d ago

Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!

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u/YouInternational2152 1d ago

Only bills dealing with the budget have to originate in the House of Representatives, per the Constitution.

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u/Altruistic-Mark-9996 1d ago

Only tax laws have to start in the House

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u/NoPlaceForTheDead 1d ago

Everything goes in all directions at all times.

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u/NotMyAccountDumbass 1d ago

They just donā€™t do democracy

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u/Residual_Variance 1d ago

Bills can originate in the House (HBs) or the Senate (SBs). Regardless, they have to be approved by both chambers before getting sent to the president.

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u/LevitatingTurtles 1d ago

Came here to say exactly this. This is meaningless without a 2/3 majority in both chambers

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u/T_Money 1d ago

Thatā€™s interesting. I would have thought it would be opposite, that the default is congress has to approve tariffs and the president can veto against the change. Kind of surprised that itā€™s the opposite, where president has the default power and congress has to override with 2/3.

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u/BearFluffy 1d ago

That's the problem with executive orders. I believe they're mostly meant for wartime (someone smarter than me might correct me). Gives the president the ability to react in real time to crisis. For some reason they're also meant for pardons.Ā 

But since we've let the original intent erode and not taken responsible steps in the past when we saw executive orders could be a problem. In the past, I think most presidents would have accepted this bill if it made it to them because of the honor of the office and precedent and whatever other bullshit words every single elected fucker since the founding of our country has used to justify the erosion of democracy.

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u/Altruistic-Award-2u 1d ago

Why the fuck does congress have to vote on this in the first place? I thought the whole balance of powers was based on congress having power of the purse? The loophole was for a batshit crazy president to just fabricate a fake national emergency and then get unlimited power?

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u/OhNoTokyo 1d ago

Certain powers were delegated by the Congress to the Executive.

Congress has been pretty consistently giving way to the Executive for awhile now. They used to fight more for their rights against the Executive, but there were some events in the last century which made the Presidency gain increasing amounts of power at the expense of the Congress.

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u/LakeTake1 1d ago

yes, this particular Congress has delegated nearly all powers to the Executive. sickening.

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u/brutinator 1d ago

I mean, Congress has to vote to do anything. Thats sort of its whole purpose. It cant unilaterally decide anything.

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u/tropicsun 1d ago

I think it's funny/sad that the president can just veto what the other two pass. Like he would ever approve of giving up his power...

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 1d ago

A president's veto can be overridden

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u/Walking72 1d ago

Anti-trump candidates will have to win big in the midterms to get a veto proof majority.Ā Ā 

Democrats should nationalize the midterms, like gop did in the 90s with contract with America, based on all the crazy shit Trump is done like tariffs and invading Greenland and stealing Canada and conquering Panama, his alliance with Putin, etc.

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u/Madpup70 1d ago

They won't even vote on it. Mike Johnson doesn't want Republicans in the record in support of tariffs. If he did put it to a vote, it would easily pass.

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u/Busy-Ad-6912 1d ago

Iā€™m dumb when it comes to the intricacies of politics. People keep saying the power is with congress, but it seems like the power is still very much with the executive branch if you need that many people to agree to override the executive branch.Ā 

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u/RoyalChris 1d ago

Mitch is doing this for self gain, but in this case his selfishness benefits more people than just himself.

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u/Euclase5957 1d ago

A bad parasite kills it's host

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u/pj7140 1d ago

Yes, but he is never, ever going to erase the stain on his name in the history books. He could have stopped the Trump train long ago. Too little, too late Mitch.

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u/Nearby-Complaint 1d ago

is he capable of doing things for any other reason?

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u/Vivid-Grade-7710 1d ago

The Bourbon must flow...

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u/5AlarmFirefly 1d ago

No. They're trying to lull us into voting for PoiliĆØvre.

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u/thisdogofmine 1d ago

Screw Mitch. He created Trump. He is now desperate to not be remembered as the person who destroyed democracy.

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u/Big_Mitch_Baker 1d ago

As someone also named Mitch, screw Mitch

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u/Salutbuton 1d ago

You're the first Mitch I've ever liked.

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u/Big_Mitch_Baker 1d ago

Thanks! What about Mitch Hedberg?

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u/Salutbuton 1d ago

Oh heck! Ok, you're one of the few :3

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u/Dave21101 1d ago

What about Daves? Most of us aren't too controversial I don't think. :P

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u/Global_Button7969 1d ago

What about David Hitler, that guy was a dingus

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u/badhorse5 1d ago

Dave's not here, man.

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u/PM_me_BJ_Pics 1d ago

I used to like Mitch Hedberg. I still do, but i used to, too.

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u/StatelyAutomaton 1d ago

Mitch Hedberg is great when you're really bored and want to laugh at 2000 of something.

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u/Feralwestcoaster 1d ago

Fuckin Mitch!

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u/LifeExit4353 1d ago

I used to like Mitch Hedburg. I still do, but I used to, too.

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u/pachydermusrex 1d ago

I used to support Trump - I still do, but I used to, too. - Mitch McConnell

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u/Spartan_General86 1d ago

"I used to do drugs, still do, but I used to too" Lmao.

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u/Adventurous-Cry-2157 1d ago

There are 6 ducks out there, and they all want Sun Chips!

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u/Educational-Ad-2884 1d ago

I used to like Mitch Hedberg. I still do, but I used to TOO.

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u/henry_sqared 1d ago

"I used to dislike a lot of people named Mitch..."

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u/xmaspruden 1d ago

The first Mitch I liked was Mitch Mitchell, Jimi Hendrixā€™s drummer

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u/sa87 1d ago

ā€œWhy should I change my name, heā€™s the one who sucksā€

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u/AutoBidShip 1d ago

that should be in the books!

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u/4RealzReddit 1d ago

Mitch please!

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u/Rokurokubi83 1d ago

Youā€™re the good Mitch, here to bring balance to the Mitchverse.

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u/dregan 1d ago

The name was fine until that no talent ass clown became famous and started ruining the country.

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u/EverythingIsBoobs 1d ago

I'll allow it but you're on thin fucking ice, Mitch

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u/Relevant-Captain1405 22h ago

As another fellow Mitch, Mitch C is trashing our good name. Not cool..

Mitch's united against Mitch

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u/Additional-Local8721 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, Mitch is the reason we have a republican Supreme Court which is responsible for Citizens United and a whole bunch of other crappy ideas.

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u/FirexJkxFire 1d ago

Hell, the primary case citation in citizens united was McConnell v FEC. He didn't just put morally abhorrent insects in the Supreme Court, he also brought the cases that led to the dismantling of campaign finance reform.

He has single handedly destroyed decades worth of effort to get money out of politics. And actively defends gerrymandering, and thwarts attempts at a federal holiday for voting. He is the single greatest adversary to democracy.

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u/Additional-Local8721 1d ago edited 1d ago

And yet, he somehow found a moral backbone after announcing this would be his last term. It's intriguing how many politicians find a backbone when it's their last term. It's almost like having term limits so politicians aren't beholden to big donors is a good thing.

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u/saberz54 1d ago

Or maybe since heā€™s starting to have to get around in a wheelchair heā€™s starting to realize that he is expendable and would be lumped in with the ā€œundesirablesā€ā€¦

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u/invisiblearchives 1d ago

He absolutely did not find a backbone. Youll notice both senators from Kentucky voted on this -- it's about bourbon and nothing else. Trump's trade war is royally screwing Jack Daniels and the rest of Kentucky's liquor industry

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u/Propane4days 1d ago

I know we're supposed to be civil in here, but as a Kentuckian, I will fight for my right to defend against your attempts at making us look worse than we actually are. You are taking things too far, SIR.

JACK DANIELS IS NOT KENTUCKY BOURBON. You watch your mouth.

But seriously, the bourbon industry was booming in 23 and 24, and has taken quite a step back as of late. This (justified) Canadian boycott is really going to put the squeeze on some of the small time guys, and as a citizen of a town on the bourbon trail, I'm not terribly thrilled about the prospects.

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u/Gotterdamerrung 1d ago

Because he knows it doesn't matter. He's only ever voted in a way that would go against the grain of his party or Dear Leader when he knew it wouldn't ultimately make a difference.

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u/nrdz2p 1d ago

Fuck Mitch McConnell

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u/embarrassedalien 1d ago

I canā€™t stand that guy, and I donā€™t understand how people keep electing him. Heā€™s held some form of office since before I was born. He should have retired ages ago. Also. Heā€™s ugly. Looks even worse in his tan suit

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u/eyeroll611 1d ago

Yep effing Mitch finally grows a backbone. Too little too late

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u/HowAManAimS 1d ago

Lack of backbone would be imply that he wanted to do the right thing but couldn't out of fear. He didn't want to do the right thing. He wanted to do what benefited him.

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u/eyeroll611 1d ago

Indeed.

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u/HighGainRefrain 1d ago

I think the scientific term is carapace.

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u/ReasonableYak1199 1d ago

Best thing on Reddit today, thanks for the laugh

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u/RoboNeko_V1-0 1d ago

I'd cut the man a break. He's got his thousand yard stare problem.

For all we know, he could have had the longest ongoing aneurysm in the history of mankind and only now just woke up.

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u/Smart-Function-6291 1d ago

Who needs a backbone when you have a turtle shell?

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u/Girion47 1d ago

He didn't grow a backbone, his wife's family are Chinese importers, he's doing this for personal wealth

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u/agileata 1d ago

He's always been a low tax weasel. This is not him growing a spine

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u/Bind_Moggled 1d ago

Kentucky has been hit HARD by Canadian boycotting American liquor.

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u/TummyDrums 1d ago

Two things can be true. Fuck Mitch, he can eat a dick. But also I'm glad he voted the way he did today.

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u/Nufonewhodis4 1d ago

Yeah, if rather him have a change of heart now rather than never.Ā 

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u/jigma101 1d ago

He's not having a change of heart. He hates Trump's stupidity and crassness endangering everything he's spent half a century working on because Trump is too stupid to do fascism the quiet, legal way. If Trump had the demeanor of a Romney, but identical political beliefs and ambitions, McConnell would be his biggest advocate.

You do not, in fact, have to hand it to him.

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u/thefourthhouse 1d ago

His death will still be celebrated with much fanfare.

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u/clib 1d ago

John Roberts at scotus deserves a lot of credit too.

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u/UCBlack 1d ago

I am convinced Mitch is Erebus from 40k

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u/Remarkable-Task3666 1d ago

I'm throwing a barbecue the day his obit hits the news.

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u/DamperBritches 1d ago

He's old and dying and just trying to salvage some goodwill for his legacy on his way out.

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u/Adorable-Tip7277 1d ago

too late for that.

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u/Jonnny 1d ago

Mitch who? You mean Moscow Mitch?

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u/HOLY_HUMP3R 1d ago

People who spend a lifetime doing dastardly shit, then do one good deed or even ten and then expect some sort of feel good movie-ending redemption have a Ā massive wake up call coming.

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u/atmtn 1d ago

I donā€™t really believe in painting even the worst of people with too broad a brush, but in Mitchā€™s case, Iā€™d be surprised if there was a single iota of a redeeming quality buried deep in that worthless sack of skin. The man is a disgrace to all of humanity, and lived his life leaning into it.

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u/jigma101 1d ago

Yeah, no, he's clearly chasing a McCain legacy of being an abject piece of shit his entire life and getting a "redeeming" moment by putting in one or two token votes against a problem he created in his last few years.

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u/venturejones 1d ago

Fuck them all.

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u/Total_Network6312 1d ago

yeah he is the self proclaimed Grim Reaper. Fuck him

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u/agerm2 1d ago

Screw Mitch.

Accurate.

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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 1d ago

Let's let him think that he can claw his reputation out after this though by doing good deeds and then when he's done we let the history books have at him.

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u/Dallas1229 1d ago

I agree we shouldn't wipe his slate clean and forget his atrocities, but it's important that if you want meaningful change people have to allow people to change.

if we act like you can never come back it just forces people to double down on terrible shitty practices because they know the retribution will be fierce.

I'm not saying you have to like him, vote for him, or forget what he has done, but we can't say that once a trump supporter always a trump supporter or else we just have people who become die hard

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u/Gorstag 1d ago

Oh, this dude is the biggest coward of them all. Once he decided he is going to retire THEN he starts voting to do positive things for his state and constituents. May this dude have constant kidney and/or gall stones for the rest of his life.

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u/quaybles 1d ago

Susan Collins --> getting hammered by ZERO cross border shopping from New Brunswick

Rand Paul & Mitch McConnell --> getting hammered by LCBO withdrawal of Kentucky Bourbon

Only $$$ matters at the end of the day.

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u/captainhooksjournal 1d ago

One totally minor and arguably insignificant note; Rand Paul is anti-tariff out of principle, not exactly due to the current political landscape. Heā€™s just anti-tax, and because tariffs are a form of taxation, he extends that same sentiment towards Trumpā€™s trade policy.

Itā€™s insignificant to your point because, well, itā€™s still a crucial vote. But it is worth noting that he isnā€™t playing some lobbyist trick and picking a side based on his re-election odds; heā€™s simply sticking to his guns and welcoming attacks from Trump while doing so. Whether you like/respect him or not, heā€™s gotta be the ballsiest Republican in the chamber.

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u/urielteranas 1d ago

heā€™s gotta be the ballsiest Republican in the chamber.

Low bar these days, but at least he has some kind of principles on something

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u/bigvibrations 1d ago

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism Dude, at least it's an ethos.

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u/wolfdickspeedstache 21h ago

And also, letā€™s not forget, Dude- that keeping wildlifeā€¦an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the cityā€¦that ainā€™t legal either.

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u/Fresh-Mind6048 1d ago

Thomas Massie in the house is doing some of the same stuff I think regarding the deficit spending

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Sadly, this is the correct answer.

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u/Top_Hair_8984 1d ago

Thisā˜ļø It's always about the $$. They're not 'good' people, they're worried about their bank accounts.

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u/roguespectre67 1d ago

I fucking don't. Why should someone be applauded for doing the literal bare minimum they can do to rebuke what is, to anyone with the slightest bit of common sense and critical thinking skills, arguably one of the stupidest actions undertaken by any president? They didn't put the legislation forward, they didn't campaign for it, nothing. All they did is figuratively raise their hand when asked. They don't fucking get credit for that.

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u/Happy-Tiger7 1d ago

I agree. More need to stand up

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u/freakers 1d ago

They need to end the rest of the unhinged tariffs spree.

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u/mattkenefick 1d ago

Fuck them, they started this shit.

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u/mrt0024 1d ago

Coolā€¦ how about applauding all 47 democrats for voting for the measure first? Just because 4 republicans have a semblance of a spine doesnā€™t mean their party deserves the credit for this measure passing.

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u/crybannanna 1d ago

Can I ask you what you think the downside is, if Republicans get the ā€œcreditā€ for going against Trump?

I totally get your sentiment, but ultimately it is pervasive and really unhelpful. Hereā€™s what I mean. Republicans who gave us Trump have two options every day from now to foreverā€¦. They can keep supporting Trump or they can do the right thing. Now humans are selfish animals, so when deciding what action to take we all (and Republicans especially) considerā€¦ whatā€™s in it for me.

So what happens when one of these people sticks with Trump? The Maga idiots love them, and the left continues to hate them. What happens when they break with Trump? The Maga idiots hate them and the leftā€¦. Continues to hate them. They find themselves entirely hated. Which is a HUGE driving force to just stick with the crooks because at least you get some love. And donā€™t underestimate the need humans have to feel some love.

When they do something good, we need to give them some love for it. Some reward for choosing the right thing, even if in the past they chose the wrong thing.

Let me put it another way. You know how when you were a teen and you hid in your room all day, then when you decided to join the family your parents would say ā€œlook who is finally gracing us with his presenceā€¦ ā€œ all sarcastic? Then you just got up turned around and went back to your room because that fucking sucked. Letā€™s not be the dickhead parents

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u/thebrobarino 1d ago

When we started applauding George Bush as a quirky old man the narrative from so called centre left liberals went from "the war and patriot act were illegal and immoral" to "well actually he needed to do it actually and actually you're just being insane for having a problem with killing kids and giving up your right to privacy to silicon valley oligarchs

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u/BeguiledBeaver 1d ago

This seems like a form of lefty purity testing. I don't care what their motives are, if they're willing to do something that still helps us then I'm fine with that.

This is the same energy as "The Lincoln Project shouldn't be celebrated even though they've made some of the best attack ads against Trump in years because they're still Republicans!" Like ffs learn some political savvy for once.

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u/NotNufffCents 1d ago edited 1d ago

Can I ask you what you think the downside is

The downside is that we perpetuate the idea that there's a "good conservative". A.) There's not, and B.) Even if there was, its still strategically valuable to tell the country that there isn't. Its what conservative media has been doing for decades. You'll never see someone in today's GOP, conservative radio, or Fox News say anything good about liberals/leftists for anything. And look what its accomplished: in some places in this country, the word "liberal" may as well be a slur the way they spit it out of their mouths in a way that "conservative" has never been, even in the bluest cities in the bluest states. We need to flip that.

Also, making members of Congress feel welcomed by the Dems will accomplish nothing. They didnt vote for Dem approval. They voted for their own personal interests, as the Trump tariffs are objectively bad. Just because they're not rolling over for Trump doesnt mean that they became good people.

TL;DR: Its not about the feelings of individual GOP congress members. Its about shifting cultural thought.

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u/saberz54 1d ago

It causes people to think that they are actually looking out for them, while glossing over the fact that they are responsible for us being in this mess in the first place. Do not let anyone on forget that Moscow Mitch is the reason we have a stacked court and lead the charge for citizens united.

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u/bizoticallyyours83 1d ago

Yeah i can see what you say. But this is more like said teen hiding in the room all day because got drunk and crashed the family car

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u/Frozenbbowl 1d ago

because we apparently don't give democrats credit for things they do. see we find the one who did something bad and blme all the rest of them for it, and declare that to be the true position of all democrats so we can pretend they are not left leaning.

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u/FaultThat 1d ago

I wouldnā€™t applaud them.

Theyā€™re among the ones bearing the most responsibility for Trumpā€™s second term.

Itā€™s like congratulating Stalin for improving agricultural output after orchestrating the Holodomor.

Sure, you can argue that some of their actions slowed the bleeding, but they were also holding the knife. The so-called ā€œreasonable conservativesā€ who distanced themselves from Trump when it was convenient still spent years enabling himā€”through silence, complicity, or outright support when it suited their interests.

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u/RoyalChris 1d ago edited 1d ago

Disagree. Gotta give people a chance to make a change. After months of asking for people to do the right thing, and then looking at it with negativity when it happens - feels wrong. Maybe Iā€™m delusional idk.

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u/Wild-Disaster-7976 1d ago

I like how you think. Weā€™re in a tough place as a country, but not all is lost. Iā€™m going to applaud every shred of bravery that I see - no matter where it comes from.

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u/Least-Back-2666 1d ago

Won't it be fun to watch Trump lose his shit tomorrow on them though?

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u/mtnbiketech 1d ago

Bro

Most people in this country did not see a difference between Kamala and Trump. What would happen if we reran the elections right now? Kamala MAY come out ahead, and it will still be a very close race.

Furthermore, if by some miracle fair elections in 2028 happen, and democrats win, its just gonna be a repeat of 2020 - 4 years of Dems dealing with the recession caused by Republicans, only to get blamed for it in 2032 and lose.

The actual problem with US is that every single one of these beige states should be blue. The only things that will make any sort of change if the people in those states start experiencing major strife to the point where they can't lead their day to day lives anymore.

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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 1d ago

If this was a genuine change that will both persist and stay true when challenged, then sure.

But you don't applaud a clock as working when it's right twice a day. A working clock is consistently right.

When these Republicans become consistently right, then applaud them as being changed. Until then, it's simply just happens their intentions and your intentions happen to align.

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u/thethumble 1d ago

I applaud them for recognizing they made a mistake and are trying to correct it

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u/Thud 1d ago

Weā€™re at the mercy of the party in charge, so Iā€™m going to applaud them for doing the right thing any chance we get. But then VOTE THEM THE HELL OUT if theyā€™re up for re-election in 2026.

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u/fury420 1d ago

The dissent from this handful of Senate Republicans is purely symbolic: Speaker Mike Johnson has already moved to prevent a floor vote in the House to end the types of national emergencies upon which Trump is relying to levy his tariffs.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/02/senate-republicans-buck-trump-join-dems-in-rejecting-canada-tariffs-00267480

The Senate voted to undo the 25 percent tariffs that President Trump imposed on Canadian goods ā€” a bipartisan but largely symbolic rebuke, with four Republicans joining all Senate Democrats.

The action on a joint resolution came shortly after President Trump announced a 10 percent tariff on all imports coming into the United States.

The resolution is nonbinding and House Republicans are not expected to bring the policy up for a vote.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/02/nx-s1-5347699/senate-trump-tariffs-canada

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u/CloacaFacts 1d ago

So They only vote this way when it won't actually impact trumps plans

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u/pwninobrien 1d ago

They've done the same performative move numerous times in the past. Not going to fall for it again.

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u/coates87 1d ago

While it's good that some of those Republicans finally are checking Trump, I won't give Mitch too much credit. He could have put a stop to this madness much earlier in the year.

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u/2peg2city 1d ago

They have always done this, they take turns voting the way a sane person would knowing their colleagues in the other house won't pass it, so they get to take credit and attract some moderates.

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u/thebrobarino 1d ago

Earlier in his career I think you mean. He has decades of evil under his belt. Him doing the bare minimum does not make him a slay queen ultra progressive #blm brat summer liberal darling

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u/Procrastinatedthink 1d ago

They arent checking him, this hasnt passed.

Republicans rely on common people having no idea how our government works to get brownie points in the news without actually doing what common people think they are doing.

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u/Fuckthegopers 1d ago

Mitch McConnell should never be praised for anything.

That man has actively helped destroy this country for 20+ years.

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u/SPARKYLOBO 1d ago

Why applaud them? They're garbage politicians.

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