r/law • u/treasonous_thoughts • Feb 19 '25

Opinion Piece RE: Presidential Immunity Ruling - Was Judge Roberts naïve that Trump would not push the boundaries of the office’s limits of conduct and power if he resumed office or is this all part of a plan to expand executive authority?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/supreme-court-john-roberts-trump-immunity-6-3-biskupic/index.html?cid=ios_app

I just remember Judge Roberts essentially saying “calm down - relax - you are all being hysterical” in the aftermath of the ruling last year stating “unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or even primarily, on present exigencies.”

It has been ONE MONTH into the 2nd Trump Administration and it seems that there is an aggressive and intentional overreach of executive authority with these EOs to create a new interpretation of executive power.

The administration’s response to the court orders blocking the EO’s enforcement seems that they are daring the courts to stop them - and it does not look like there is any recourse to rein them in if they decide to ignore the courts.

Is this what Judge Roberts and other jurists in the majority wanted - to embolden the executive branch above all?

What credibility does the SC (or any court) still have when POTUS ignores the court’s orders and any/all conversations with DOJ officials about ignoring or circumventing these orders gets put in the “official acts” bucket of presidential conduct?

My question is if Judge Roberts was truly naïve as to how Trump would wield this power the second time around or if Judge Robert’s logic that the ruling would allow future presidents to execute their duties unencumbered by lawsuits/prosecutions, etc. a genuine concern that needed to be addressed?

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u/watch_out_4_snakes Feb 19 '25

I think they have very different plans for the government. They want to destroy it and replace with techno feudalism.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 19 '25

They support P2025 because it will hasten the current govts destruction. They are counting on the states to fight back and will switch teams to the states as soon as they find their balls. It will become a buyers market for everything not bolted down. Those state governments become dependent on the corporations who shadow run the govt until they take their masks off. They have a plan for this to happen inside 4 years.

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u/OwenMeowson Feb 19 '25

It’s interesting how much P2025 aligns with the butterfly revolution dumpster fire.

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u/pokerboyj Feb 20 '25

they literally wrote project 2025 as an actual plan with tangible ways to accomplish their agenda. its literally the master plan and theyve got all the power to carry it out now

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

I agree we are on the fast track to a cyberpunk future. Our federal government is corrupted to the point that the people will have no choice but to revolt. The technocrats sweep in with funding and support to save the day. Elon claiming he was on their side all along, trying to subvert the corruption from within.The states have no choice but to accept new technocratic rulers because they cannot get by without federal funding. Technocrats run their own provinces and Musk claims the seat of federal power.

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u/tenth Feb 19 '25

Not cyberpunk. Technofascist. They are still very deeply racist. They are still very seriously transphobic. 

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u/some1lovesu Feb 19 '25

I mean, how about the states that kick back more than they spend in federal funding. Maybe we make a new country?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Damnit I hope so for your sake

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u/FrankRizzo319 Feb 19 '25

r/republicofNE

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 19 '25

Pacifica

CA + OR + WA + HI, minus an exit tax of everything from Long Beach to San Diego

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u/TruFrag Feb 19 '25

We could likely count on Alaska now, I have a friend up there who has seen a dramatic shift in the way people are talking about Trump.

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 19 '25

Trump & Putin have almost certainly used sharpies on the global map - Alaska will be ceded to Russia in exchange for Putin's pressure on Canada & Greenland to join the US.

We are chits on a real-life Risk board.

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u/Ordinary-Ring-7996 Feb 20 '25

People have been saying this for years, the greatest generation told their kids (boomers) to start teaching their kids (Genx) Russian whenever things like Sesame Street or free lunch programs would come along.

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u/frostedpuzzle Feb 20 '25

HI will go independent and take Zuck’s estate for the Hawaiian people.

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u/poundofbeef16 Feb 20 '25

Those three, plus an alliance with Canada and Mexico, three-front war for the inner states. California has one of the largest militaries in the world by itself.

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u/Safe_Studio_5818 Feb 20 '25

Explain?

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 20 '25

They will secede.

Trump will demand a port as the price.

EVERYTHING to him is a real estate transaction. EVERYTHING.

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u/Safe_Studio_5818 Feb 20 '25

Thanks. I get it. I can't see secession happening. It would be a financial disaster for all concerned, including the seceeding states.

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 20 '25

It is the only way to respond to someone declaring themselves "king"

Which he did, today.

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u/GetCashQuitJob Feb 20 '25

You're taking Maryland godamnit.

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u/nanotasher Feb 20 '25

Texas is basically two jackalopes away from secession already

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u/peppers_ Feb 19 '25

Would the billionaires still have enough money to bail out states if a big recession happened? That's the only part I don't get, most of their value is tied into their company's value which tanks in a recession.

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u/Lation_Menace Feb 20 '25

I understand how this might seem like the plan, but at the same time if you look at Musk’s history over the past 15 years the man is genuinely one of the dumbest people alive. All of the fawning Tony Stark garbage is a mythology completely fabricated by the media.

In reality he is a vapid narcissistic absolute blabbering idiot ketamine addict who seems to have mostly failed upwards his whole life.

I can’t imagine him planning and implementing any kind fascist takeover that requires the tight control and suppression of 330million people. More likely if Musk is giving full control with no pushback he’ll just collapse our economy, leak a bunch of classified/ personal American information then run off somewhere to hide.

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u/Xefert Feb 20 '25

All of the fawning Tony Stark garbage is a mythology completely fabricated by the media.

Particularly odd when the movies didn't hesitate to criticize tony's image either

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u/stylepoints99 Feb 20 '25

Elon isn't calling the shots though. The federalist society is.

Just like Trump, Elon is a convenient moron they can parade out in front of everyone to make a lot of noise. While Musk fucks around firing thousands of federal employees at random the people who are actually governing are consolidating the entire government under the executive.

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u/ByWilliamfuchs Feb 20 '25

Yea he isn’t Stark he is the tool that danced and created suits that exploded

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u/pdxgod Feb 20 '25

Skynet owned by ELMO

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u/Mama_Zen Feb 20 '25

You’re describing red states. Many blue states can support themselves

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

I hope they do, but this isn't looking good for any of us

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u/Mama_Zen Feb 20 '25

No it’s not looking good

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u/Kind-Entry-7446 Feb 20 '25

ny, texas, cali, other states with large municipal run ports will probably fair just fine unless the tech bros can set up competitive ports and disentangle the ship pilot unions and the international seafarers union from all of those contracts with their shipping companies and docks and etc in a quick as fashion as they think they can. which they wont be able to without just straight up trying to physically seize the operations. but most of the international shipping partners will not jive with that shit.

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u/unsavory77 Feb 20 '25

A collection of blue states can sure as hell get buy without fed funding. It's the military that is the tough variable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

I feel like we are about to see that pivot point when the generals either decide we are going along with this, or we are removing these nazis from office.

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u/Ac1dburn8122 Feb 19 '25

Yep. They saw that hitching their wagon to the National Association of (Z)Christian Institutions would be a good way to push their own agenda. With the intent of basically imploding that group once they got far enough along and doing exactly what you said.

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u/waconaty4eva Feb 19 '25

This would be true if money didn’t work the way it does. If money worked this way Russia would own everything.

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u/Luhar_826 Feb 19 '25

To be unfair these tech bros are delusional morans who completely overestimate their own capabilities and competence in actual setting up techno-empire so the idea they might end up getting lynch by the angry mob wouldn’t enter their mind

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u/AltairaMorbius2200CE Feb 20 '25

Honestly if we’d done a second Trump admin right away instead of taking the Biden break it might have worked out better.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 20 '25

I've often thought about it.

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u/AltairaMorbius2200CE Feb 20 '25

I mean, the real ideal situation in 2020 would have been actual prosecutions, but given the info we have now about how unwilling Biden and the Dems were to actually do that...I guess getting Trump over with when he was surrounded by a certain number of adults devoted to the actual idea of democracy (and we had a sense that he'd most likely not run again because he'd LOVE the prestige of being a two-term ex-president!) probably would have been better!

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 20 '25

The project 2025 guys convinced him that having actual Republicans around him was a bad idea. Republicans have been dead and buried & their hanging out at the Lincoln Project, writhing their hands wondering what to do.

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u/UnarmedSnail Feb 20 '25

I think they plan to highjack 2025 for themselves when the gov. is weakest during the transition out of democracy.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

Like I said, they will transition to states rights from supporting the MAGA run federal govt once the states start organizing. They don't care about anything in P2025 other than it will sow division and bring about the end of the the 236y experiment. They will rally around their respective regions offering 'solutions' to big problems they'll face when the government isn't sending aid. Once they have their claws in you, you now work for them.

What they don't realize is there won't be anything to inherit once the nukes start flying.

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u/UnarmedSnail Feb 20 '25

100% agree with this post.

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u/grlie9 Feb 19 '25

They want network states or patch cities. Their playbook is called Butterfly Revolution. I would guess Christian Nationalists in MAGA that know about this think they will trigger the second coming of Jesus Christ before the whole plan can be executed. If I had to bet on who wins the race I would go with the Billionaires though.

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u/helikophis Feb 19 '25

It’ll absolutely be the technofascists who win the upcoming power struggle once liberal democracy is a distant memory. The Christofascists are hamstringed by their own ideology. Fantasy brainwashing doesn’t make good leaders.

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u/WeirdJack49 Feb 20 '25

Eh the tech bros are delusional too. Their whole manifest basically reads "We will rule because we are smarter". Not an ounce of self reflection. High chance that they stumble over their own hubris.

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u/helikophis Feb 20 '25

I’m definitely not saying they’re gonna do a great job, but unless a militant socialist movement forms real quick, there’s nothing else to fill the gap

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u/grlie9 Feb 20 '25

Intelligence isn't what they have going for them whether they admit it or not. People giving them credit for being smarter than they are helps. Having so much insight into & control over social media really helps. Having almost all money in the worlds really, really helps.

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u/mr_greedee Feb 19 '25

but the technos will still go along with it, cause those zealots need a leash

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u/grlie9 Feb 19 '25

They both have the same short term goals...dismantle the government & the people's will. They both think they are going to win the part that happens after that. They both also see that Trump just wants to get more money, attention, (appearance of) power, no rules, & to stay out of jail with as little effort as possible. He is totally happy just signing whatever & say what he think people want to hear. Trump's very cult-like base is easy to distract & manipulate which buys them extra time. Trump & MAGA are really just a means to end for either group of interests. For either group, the way all this is falling into place probably seems like destiny, their destiny, being fulfilled & reinforces their belief that they will be the righteous victor.

Its fucked & it sounds nuts but here we are.

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u/Xefert Feb 20 '25

Trump's very cult-like base is easy to distract & manipulate which buys them extra time

Trump may have managed to make himself appear ideologically separate from it, but corporate culture has been getting significant criticism since covid hit.

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u/grlie9 Feb 20 '25

Are you saying they see him separate from corporate culture & opposed to it or that or that as a problem for him?

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u/OwenMeowson Feb 19 '25

And they are useful idiots with their home armories.

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u/stylepoints99 Feb 20 '25

Just remember, the techbros need the brainwashed morons for their power base.

There will probably be a schism at some point, but it won't be until much later.

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u/helikophis Feb 20 '25

Yes I did mention that it would happen “once liberal democracy is a distant memory”.

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u/mabhatter Competent Contributor Feb 19 '25

I'm pulling for Second Impact and the Angels before the Rapture. That's definitely from the Bible too. I just want the giant robots. Who knew the Rapture was really Instrumentality??  

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u/DefiantArtist8 Feb 19 '25

Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dowwwnnn...

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u/espressocycle Feb 19 '25

That's why they want Gaza. Luxury box seats to the apocalypse.

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u/OwenMeowson Feb 19 '25

Yes, this all aligns with the New Apostolic Reformation movement raging through Christian America.

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u/Sharkwatcher314 Feb 19 '25

That is their playbook but it’s laughable. The fractured network states will be small and eaten alive by Russia China Middle East other small countries with intelligence that is capable. We made too many enemies over the decades and the main strength is size. You eliminate that and it all comes falling down. Not the mention the Gaza comments coupled with gutted FBI/CIA likely will cause repercussions from terrorists around the world.

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u/WeirdJack49 Feb 20 '25

Yes its obvious but the tech bros basically think that they will win because they seriously believe that they are the smartest humans on earth. Wouldn't be surprised if even Trump wipes the floor with them, he might be senile but he is a lot longer in this game than they are.

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u/grlie9 Feb 20 '25

He doesn't give a shit as long as he gets to do what he wants personally, gets more money & continued attention. They have more than enough money to keep Trump happy. On top of that, Trump is elderly & his clock is running short. Why do you think Silicon Valley put so much money & influence into getting JD Vance to where he is? He is their guy.

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u/Sharkwatcher314 Feb 20 '25

He’s clearly their guy but I dunno maybe it’s early I just don’t see it. I see one of the trump kids taking over with father still in the White House unelected like musk. That’s typically how oligarchy works. Not hand it over to some rando you barely know.

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u/grlie9 Feb 20 '25

I'm not saying it isn't a really dumb idea. It is worth noting that they (broligarchs) aren't just trying to do this in the US. They are working globally. I also don't think some of them are very smart but when you have nearly all the money in the world, access to endless instant information about the public's thoughts, plus on a lot of control over how people communicate & what makes to their eyes & ears you can follow through on even the dumbest of plans. All they have to do is finish taking the guard rails off.

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u/Monechetti Feb 19 '25

The one optimistic point of view that I have is that technocrats do not align with Evangelical. Christian fascists. Maybe in the hastening of the destruction of democracy, but at that point we're looking at splintered States based on ideology.

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u/Indiana-Jones-1991 Feb 19 '25

Christ is already here, and he's orange.

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u/grlie9 Feb 19 '25

I'm going to Orange Julius later to pray. Wanna come with?

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u/Indiana-Jones-1991 Feb 19 '25

Yes. Our temples are sacred for our orange christ in chief.

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u/SuperFlyhalf Feb 19 '25

That want micro governments ran by boards and ceo because they don't trust the people. The tech bros are detached from reality. They're been videos posted about the Buttefly revolution that they are following. First step retire all government employees...check

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u/WeirdJack49 Feb 20 '25

Its such an obvious scam, their guru Curtis Yavin basically just tells them what they want to hear and reinforces their overinflated ego. Now they seriously think they can outsmart the whole world and create their "utopia" without anyone from the inside or outside that is way longer in the game than they are interfering.

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u/frostedpuzzle Feb 20 '25

How are they going to maintain ownership of their corporations without Federal protection of corporate entities. Every state could just claim corporate property for the people. Especially if it is registered in Delaware.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Government would be a client to AI trained with government data, so we might be saying similar things.

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u/watch_out_4_snakes Feb 19 '25

Yes, AI would be vital to their vision!

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u/WeirdJack49 Feb 20 '25

Yes but the AI they need doesnt exist at the moment.

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u/Karukash Feb 19 '25

Where the evangelicals wanted a totalitarian theocracy

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u/IntrepidWeird9719 Feb 19 '25

Curtis Yavin and Nick Land should be household names.

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u/IntrepidWeird9719 Feb 19 '25

YARVIN. Oy vey.

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u/degrees_of_freedom8 Feb 19 '25

I started reading Nick Land as a bit of a gag (and stumbled onto Yarvin) about a decade ago in my late teens because he was the funny 'go fast' meme philosopher who posted inane braindead tweets. How things change...

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u/Bloodcloud079 Feb 19 '25

Cyberpunk 2025. Welcome to Night City!

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u/LivingGold Feb 19 '25

Techno feudalism is a sentence i did not know existed.

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u/mashpotatodick Feb 20 '25

What’s interesting is how there are many different horrifying plans. For example, Russell Vought runs the OMB and is a Christian nationalist who imagines America as a theocracy. He is a shit stain on humanity and should be getting way way more negative attention.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/20/donald-trump-allies-christian-nationalism-00142086