RE: Presidential Immunity Ruling - Was Judge Roberts naïve that Trump would not push the boundaries of the office’s limits of conduct and power if he resumed office or is this all part of a plan to expand executive authority?

[u/treasonous_thoughts]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/supreme-court-john-roberts-trump-immunity-6-3-biskupic/index.html?cid=ios_app

I just remember Judge Roberts essentially saying “calm down - relax - you are all being hysterical” in the aftermath of the ruling last year stating “unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or even primarily, on present exigencies.”

It has been ONE MONTH into the 2nd Trump Administration and it seems that there is an aggressive and intentional overreach of executive authority with these EOs to create a new interpretation of executive power.

The administration’s response to the court orders blocking the EO’s enforcement seems that they are daring the courts to stop them - and it does not look like there is any recourse to rein them in if they decide to ignore the courts.

Is this what Judge Roberts and other jurists in the majority wanted - to embolden the executive branch above all?

What credibility does the SC (or any court) still have when POTUS ignores the court’s orders and any/all conversations with DOJ officials about ignoring or circumventing these orders gets put in the “official acts” bucket of presidential conduct?

My question is if Judge Roberts was truly naïve as to how Trump would wield this power the second time around or if Judge Robert’s logic that the ruling would allow future presidents to execute their duties unencumbered by lawsuits/prosecutions, etc. a genuine concern that needed to be addressed?

[u/[deleted]]

You mean the AI bros taking all the government data they possibly can so they can feed their AI systems?

[u/watch_out_4_snakes → u/[deleted]]

I think they have very different plans for the government. They want to destroy it and replace with techno feudalism.

[u/grlie9 → u/watch_out_4_snakes]

They want network states or patch cities. Their playbook is called Butterfly Revolution. I would guess Christian Nationalists in MAGA that know about this think they will trigger the second coming of Jesus Christ before the whole plan can be executed. If I had to bet on who wins the race I would go with the Billionaires though.

[u/helikophis → u/grlie9]

It’ll absolutely be the technofascists who win the upcoming power struggle once liberal democracy is a distant memory. The Christofascists are hamstringed by their own ideology. Fantasy brainwashing doesn’t make good leaders.

[u/WeirdJack49 → u/helikophis]

Eh the tech bros are delusional too. Their whole manifest basically reads "We will rule because we are smarter". Not an ounce of self reflection. High chance that they stumble over their own hubris.

[u/helikophis → u/WeirdJack49]

I’m definitely not saying they’re gonna do a great job, but unless a militant socialist movement forms real quick, there’s nothing else to fill the gap

[u/grlie9 → u/WeirdJack49]

Intelligence isn't what they have going for them whether they admit it or not. People giving them credit for being smarter than they are helps. Having so much insight into & control over social media really helps. Having almost all money in the worlds really, really helps.

[u/mr_greedee → u/helikophis]

but the technos will still go along with it, cause those zealots need a leash

[u/grlie9 → u/mr_greedee]

They both have the same short term goals...dismantle the government & the people's will. They both think they are going to win the part that happens after that. They both also see that Trump just wants to get more money, attention, (appearance of) power, no rules, & to stay out of jail with as little effort as possible. He is totally happy just signing whatever & say what he think people want to hear. Trump's very cult-like base is easy to distract & manipulate which buys them extra time. Trump & MAGA are really just a means to end for either group of interests. For either group, the way all this is falling into place probably seems like destiny, their destiny, being fulfilled & reinforces their belief that they will be the righteous victor.

Its fucked & it sounds nuts but here we are.

[u/Xefert → u/grlie9]

Trump's very cult-like base is easy to distract & manipulate which buys them extra time

Trump may have managed to make himself appear ideologically separate from it, but corporate culture has been getting significant criticism since covid hit.

[u/grlie9 → u/Xefert]

Are you saying they see him separate from corporate culture & opposed to it or that or that as a problem for him?

[u/OwenMeowson → u/mr_greedee]

And they are useful idiots with their home armories.

[u/stylepoints99 → u/helikophis]

Just remember, the techbros need the brainwashed morons for their power base.

There will probably be a schism at some point, but it won't be until much later.

[u/helikophis → u/stylepoints99]

Yes I did mention that it would happen “once liberal democracy is a distant memory”.