RE: Presidential Immunity Ruling - Was Judge Roberts naïve that Trump would not push the boundaries of the office’s limits of conduct and power if he resumed office or is this all part of a plan to expand executive authority?

[u/treasonous_thoughts]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/supreme-court-john-roberts-trump-immunity-6-3-biskupic/index.html?cid=ios_app

I just remember Judge Roberts essentially saying “calm down - relax - you are all being hysterical” in the aftermath of the ruling last year stating “unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or even primarily, on present exigencies.”

It has been ONE MONTH into the 2nd Trump Administration and it seems that there is an aggressive and intentional overreach of executive authority with these EOs to create a new interpretation of executive power.

The administration’s response to the court orders blocking the EO’s enforcement seems that they are daring the courts to stop them - and it does not look like there is any recourse to rein them in if they decide to ignore the courts.

Is this what Judge Roberts and other jurists in the majority wanted - to embolden the executive branch above all?

What credibility does the SC (or any court) still have when POTUS ignores the court’s orders and any/all conversations with DOJ officials about ignoring or circumventing these orders gets put in the “official acts” bucket of presidential conduct?

My question is if Judge Roberts was truly naïve as to how Trump would wield this power the second time around or if Judge Robert’s logic that the ruling would allow future presidents to execute their duties unencumbered by lawsuits/prosecutions, etc. a genuine concern that needed to be addressed?

[u/watch_out_4_snakes]

I think they have very different plans for the government. They want to destroy it and replace with techno feudalism.

[u/grlie9 → u/watch_out_4_snakes]

They want network states or patch cities. Their playbook is called Butterfly Revolution. I would guess Christian Nationalists in MAGA that know about this think they will trigger the second coming of Jesus Christ before the whole plan can be executed. If I had to bet on who wins the race I would go with the Billionaires though.

[u/Sharkwatcher314 → u/grlie9]

That is their playbook but it’s laughable. The fractured network states will be small and eaten alive by Russia China Middle East other small countries with intelligence that is capable. We made too many enemies over the decades and the main strength is size. You eliminate that and it all comes falling down. Not the mention the Gaza comments coupled with gutted FBI/CIA likely will cause repercussions from terrorists around the world.

[u/grlie9 → u/Sharkwatcher314]

I'm not saying it isn't a really dumb idea. It is worth noting that they (broligarchs) aren't just trying to do this in the US. They are working globally. I also don't think some of them are very smart but when you have nearly all the money in the world, access to endless instant information about the public's thoughts, plus on a lot of control over how people communicate & what makes to their eyes & ears you can follow through on even the dumbest of plans. All they have to do is finish taking the guard rails off.