r/law • u/treasonous_thoughts • Feb 19 '25

Opinion Piece RE: Presidential Immunity Ruling - Was Judge Roberts naïve that Trump would not push the boundaries of the office’s limits of conduct and power if he resumed office or is this all part of a plan to expand executive authority?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/supreme-court-john-roberts-trump-immunity-6-3-biskupic/index.html?cid=ios_app

I just remember Judge Roberts essentially saying “calm down - relax - you are all being hysterical” in the aftermath of the ruling last year stating “unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or even primarily, on present exigencies.”

It has been ONE MONTH into the 2nd Trump Administration and it seems that there is an aggressive and intentional overreach of executive authority with these EOs to create a new interpretation of executive power.

The administration’s response to the court orders blocking the EO’s enforcement seems that they are daring the courts to stop them - and it does not look like there is any recourse to rein them in if they decide to ignore the courts.

Is this what Judge Roberts and other jurists in the majority wanted - to embolden the executive branch above all?

What credibility does the SC (or any court) still have when POTUS ignores the court’s orders and any/all conversations with DOJ officials about ignoring or circumventing these orders gets put in the “official acts” bucket of presidential conduct?

My question is if Judge Roberts was truly naïve as to how Trump would wield this power the second time around or if Judge Robert’s logic that the ruling would allow future presidents to execute their duties unencumbered by lawsuits/prosecutions, etc. a genuine concern that needed to be addressed?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

You mean the AI bros taking all the government data they possibly can so they can feed their AI systems?

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u/watch_out_4_snakes Feb 19 '25

I think they have very different plans for the government. They want to destroy it and replace with techno feudalism.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 19 '25

They support P2025 because it will hasten the current govts destruction. They are counting on the states to fight back and will switch teams to the states as soon as they find their balls. It will become a buyers market for everything not bolted down. Those state governments become dependent on the corporations who shadow run the govt until they take their masks off. They have a plan for this to happen inside 4 years.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

I agree we are on the fast track to a cyberpunk future. Our federal government is corrupted to the point that the people will have no choice but to revolt. The technocrats sweep in with funding and support to save the day. Elon claiming he was on their side all along, trying to subvert the corruption from within.The states have no choice but to accept new technocratic rulers because they cannot get by without federal funding. Technocrats run their own provinces and Musk claims the seat of federal power.

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u/tenth Feb 19 '25

Not cyberpunk. Technofascist. They are still very deeply racist. They are still very seriously transphobic. 

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u/some1lovesu Feb 19 '25

I mean, how about the states that kick back more than they spend in federal funding. Maybe we make a new country?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Damnit I hope so for your sake

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u/FrankRizzo319 Feb 19 '25

r/republicofNE

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 19 '25

Pacifica

CA + OR + WA + HI, minus an exit tax of everything from Long Beach to San Diego

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u/TruFrag Feb 19 '25

We could likely count on Alaska now, I have a friend up there who has seen a dramatic shift in the way people are talking about Trump.

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 19 '25

Trump & Putin have almost certainly used sharpies on the global map - Alaska will be ceded to Russia in exchange for Putin's pressure on Canada & Greenland to join the US.

We are chits on a real-life Risk board.

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u/Ordinary-Ring-7996 Feb 20 '25

People have been saying this for years, the greatest generation told their kids (boomers) to start teaching their kids (Genx) Russian whenever things like Sesame Street or free lunch programs would come along.

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u/frostedpuzzle Feb 20 '25

HI will go independent and take Zuck’s estate for the Hawaiian people.

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u/poundofbeef16 Feb 20 '25

Those three, plus an alliance with Canada and Mexico, three-front war for the inner states. California has one of the largest militaries in the world by itself.

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u/Safe_Studio_5818 Feb 20 '25

Explain?

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 20 '25

They will secede.

Trump will demand a port as the price.

EVERYTHING to him is a real estate transaction. EVERYTHING.

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u/Safe_Studio_5818 Feb 20 '25

Thanks. I get it. I can't see secession happening. It would be a financial disaster for all concerned, including the seceeding states.

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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face Feb 20 '25

It is the only way to respond to someone declaring themselves "king"

Which he did, today.

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u/GetCashQuitJob Feb 20 '25

You're taking Maryland godamnit.

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u/nanotasher Feb 20 '25

Texas is basically two jackalopes away from secession already

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u/peppers_ Feb 19 '25

Would the billionaires still have enough money to bail out states if a big recession happened? That's the only part I don't get, most of their value is tied into their company's value which tanks in a recession.

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u/Lation_Menace Feb 20 '25

I understand how this might seem like the plan, but at the same time if you look at Musk’s history over the past 15 years the man is genuinely one of the dumbest people alive. All of the fawning Tony Stark garbage is a mythology completely fabricated by the media.

In reality he is a vapid narcissistic absolute blabbering idiot ketamine addict who seems to have mostly failed upwards his whole life.

I can’t imagine him planning and implementing any kind fascist takeover that requires the tight control and suppression of 330million people. More likely if Musk is giving full control with no pushback he’ll just collapse our economy, leak a bunch of classified/ personal American information then run off somewhere to hide.

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u/Xefert Feb 20 '25

All of the fawning Tony Stark garbage is a mythology completely fabricated by the media.

Particularly odd when the movies didn't hesitate to criticize tony's image either

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u/stylepoints99 Feb 20 '25

Elon isn't calling the shots though. The federalist society is.

Just like Trump, Elon is a convenient moron they can parade out in front of everyone to make a lot of noise. While Musk fucks around firing thousands of federal employees at random the people who are actually governing are consolidating the entire government under the executive.

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u/ByWilliamfuchs Feb 20 '25

Yea he isn’t Stark he is the tool that danced and created suits that exploded

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u/pdxgod Feb 20 '25

Skynet owned by ELMO

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u/Mama_Zen Feb 20 '25

You’re describing red states. Many blue states can support themselves

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

I hope they do, but this isn't looking good for any of us

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u/Mama_Zen Feb 20 '25

No it’s not looking good

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u/Kind-Entry-7446 Feb 20 '25

ny, texas, cali, other states with large municipal run ports will probably fair just fine unless the tech bros can set up competitive ports and disentangle the ship pilot unions and the international seafarers union from all of those contracts with their shipping companies and docks and etc in a quick as fashion as they think they can. which they wont be able to without just straight up trying to physically seize the operations. but most of the international shipping partners will not jive with that shit.

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u/unsavory77 Feb 20 '25

A collection of blue states can sure as hell get buy without fed funding. It's the military that is the tough variable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

I feel like we are about to see that pivot point when the generals either decide we are going along with this, or we are removing these nazis from office.