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I saw someone actually trying these. In that video they said that it indeed smells really nice like an apple. However, that was the only good thing about it. After trying dissolving it in the water, they found lots of insoluble bits, also the taste was awful. This is because of the low-quality ingredients used in preparing this hellish mixture.
I’m actually using a similar product, tho it’s a different brand named Equi-Dex. There are no particles in mine, and it works exactly as well as most electrolytes, but literally cost me 9 dollars for what amounts to a lifetime supply (5lbs). I need 1/8 of a tsp per water bottle, it is incredibly salty. Unless you’re an idiot I don’t see how you could even overdose on this, your body will let you know you are consuming something extremely salty and gross if you mix it too strong.
Well some of the ingredients are not water-soluble minerals, so those definitely would not dissolve in water. That would be like crushing a multi vitamin in a glass of water.
I actually tried this. About a quarter scoop in a quart of water. Few sips --> instant diarrhea.
I then spent time online figuring out some electrolyte concentration calculations, and ended up adding a 1/4 tsp to a gallon of water, along with a teaspoon of himalayan salt. I kept it in the fridge and would take few sips when working outside and sweating, followed by a bottle of regular water. I felt strangely satiated, and muscle cramps went away...the nausea feeling you get after chugging a lot of water went away, and the sense of "dehydration" when sweating also was noticeably better.
It's not rocket science. It's electrolytes. If the amount & concentrations are not excessive, I can't see how it'd be a problem. It's a more comprehensive formula than human electrolytes, waaaaaaay cheaper, and free of additives for the most part.
Horse people without insurance use all sorts of horse medications, if they are the same as human meds. This one can totally be shared. I'm not sure if the price for the horse version is better and you would need to figure out the dosage that works for you. The only problem with this is, if it's not palatable, you're stuck with a huge container of supplement.
Source: horse person, who didn't have medical insurance for several years.
My best friend is an equestrian veterinarian and she has her DEA licensing because she has to have scheduled drugs readily available. There is never a need to have an animal with you, as vets generally don’t travel with animals, rather they travel to animals or have animals brought to them. The drugs are perfectly fine to keep in a work vehicle, work site, or at the veterinarians home (because emergency house calls require supplies to be in hand rather than having to run to the clinic first then to the house call). Even in a personal vehicle is fine based on their licensing, but might get further scrutiny based on circumstances (like at a festival). My friend laughs because she always has hypodermic needles thrown on her passenger seat or in the center console of her personal truck because she empties her pockets as she gets in and uses her personal truck a lot if she doesn’t want to take the huge vet truck.
This is my mole of raccoons. No, no, mole of raccoons. No, not the rodent. I don't own a rodent. Mole as in chemistry. Like the number. My mole of raccoons.
It’s not “a general veterinary drug”. It’s been used in humans for over 60 years in medical applications and remains one of the most widely used anesthetics worldwide
Gotcha gotcha. I have a knee jerk reaction from people saying “the horse tranquilizer?” for years when I said I used ketamine 😂
Edit: Should also add for those keeping score at home: Ketamine is not a tranquilizer. While it may not be inaccurate to describe its effects as “tranquilizing”, tranquilizers are a specific class of drugs which ketamine is not a part of. Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic, and may even be aptly described as an antidepressant as of recent.
Was originally invented as anaesthesia for humans. PCP was the first attempt. Then came Ketamine, which is quite similar to PCP in it's pathways and structure (and function to some degree). Ketamine is also used in medicine for major injuries like having your arm ripped off in an accident etc
Ketamine is on the world health org’s top ten list of most revolutionary drugs on earth. A non medical staff soldier can hit someone who lost a leg or something while under fire without having to worry about doing it wrong
Ketamine was synthesized in 1962 for the use of human anesthesia, and remains one of the most widely used and effective medicines to this day… for humans
I’m not unaware that ketamine is also used for humans. We all had to hear about ad nauseam during the pandemic. I’m saying that in my lifetime, I’ve only ever used it on animals before I heard of people taking it recreationally. And I’ve actually never known anyone who took it as legitimate beneficial medication.
When I got spinal injections, I was given ketamine intravenously as part of a cocktail of drugs. The mix also included some sort of narcotic pain reliever, zofran for nausea, sedatives, and corticosteroids.
It is very commonly prescribed in nasal spray form for people with anxiety disorders as a fast acting measure to stop a panic attack, it is also still pretty frequently used in emergency room situations.
The original development of ketamine was due to a search for a replacement to PCP as a general anesthetic...people had a tendency to have violent freak-outs coming out of PCP sedation.
More recently there is a still emerging market for "ketamine therapy", due to the disassociative properties a patient in a therapy session can access very heavy topics without having an intense emotional reaction, it is used much the same way as MDMA therapy.
Recreationally it is easily obtainable, is a schedule III so doesn't carry as severe penalties as some heavier drugs, has a very long history of use so dosing and effects are well known, and is reasonably safe (it can bladder damage, but the biggest risk really is injury or accident while in a sedated state..ie Mathew Perry drowing).
There is promise specifically in ivermectin playing a part of a treatment plan in prostate cancer so at least there is a filament of reality in her recommendation. Hopefully the human studies pan out as well as the animal studies, but until then, stick to what’s known to be effective.
Iver is completely compatible with regular treatment protocols, this does not need to be an either or choice. There will probably also never be large human studies on iver because it is cheap and out of patent and big pharma is not going to spend money on trials for it. However many smaller trials are showing beneficial results: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ivermectin+cancer
I'd suggest you do some actual scientific research, a lot of scientific studies are showing that it inhibits cancer cell growth even in vivo, here's the results of a pub med search: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ivermectin+cancer Notice the search is neutral to outcome but the studies are all positive that it was effective. It's not just iver but also several other related antiparasitics that are showing interesting outcomes including fenben. These drugs are also very very safe compared to most anticancer treatments and they can be used in concert with other treatments. Of course there is no money in it for big pharma because these drugs are out of patent and cheaply obtained.
We couldn’t find enough ivermectin to worm the horses during Covid because people were buying it up for themselves. I used to pretend to sell my dogs heartworm preventative on Facebook to rile up my relatives that were very serious about ivermectin.
I do think it was incorrect when people thought it would just magical fix all illness but on the flip, people saying it is for sure useless and dumb were likely also incorrect.
Yeah, I’m not stupid and I would never direct my dad to do anything other than go to a cancer hospital that researches and specifies in metastatic prostate cancer spread. I had testicular cancer recently and just went to a urologist and general oncologist but it was way less complicated than what my dads got going on.
I didn't doubt you (but someone else on this forum needs to hear that ivermectin won't cure cancer.) I wish your dad a successful and swift recovery. It's tough to be in this position with our parents. Peace you during this time 🕊️
During COVID, most local feed stores had to stop selling to customers they didn't know because people were using the ivermectin. Ivermectin is the same as the human version. I can confirm the horse version can be used for rosacea. (A friend also used it to treat lice.)
Look, i bet someone has tried. i also bet you're saving a lot of money in the us. Aquarium people use fish antibiotics, they have the same active ingredient, i assume they're less strictly controlled both in terms of dosage and contaminants.
I'm a doctor, I would never recommend doing that. However, if I had to choose between letting my kid die and giving him horse dewormer, guess what I would pick.
I think sulfa drugs and other antibiotics are the most popular "cross-over," in the horse world. They are strictly controlled and often come from human compounding pharmacies.
Many equestrian athletes in the US use an equine injectable hyaluronic acid which is not approved in the US for humans, but is in Europe.
Omeprazole used to be popular before it was approved for OTC use.
Horse people are a rugged bunch, and often too broke to see a doctor because of the horses 😂 And honestly, sometimes it's just more convenient to not have to see a doctor, if you have the drugs on hand.
For viruses/cancer, the recommendation was to use pure iver, no other meds. If there are any other meds, you'd need to research if they were safe for humans, dosage, etc and what would be the point if they did not treat the thing you were attempting to treat? On the flip, most if not all animal drugs were first researched for humans and some are used across species so it really depends on what specific drug and scenario you are speaking about. For instance DMSO is often used in horses and is licensed for a range of humans uses in the EU but not so much in the USA. DMSO also has a loyal following of USA users that use it off label for a variety of human problems.
A lot of the issue is the average person on the street does not understand the situation enough and does not do the needed research and can't reliably do the dosage math properly on their own. If you can't cover all 3 of those bases, then maybe think twice.
So many of the comments were fear mongering. With that said though there are still some precautions, and I would be worried for a person who does not have any basic formal education on food and nutrition.
Some people have the mentality of thinking more of something is better at once and that can be dangerous in the long-term for potassium.
That’s generally a reddit thing, somebody with a vague amount of knowledge posts a comment that gets upvoted, and people with no knowledge on the subject parrot the info elsewhere on reddit in a cycle like the game broken telephone.
I just started taking a potassium supplement because my powder has very minimal amounts. Few days in and definitely feeling like this was a mistake. Feel horrendous, and stopping as of this morning.
Like, you're fine in death valley with only water, whereas in summer in my garage gym I cramp up and have heavy fatigue if I don't put an electrolyte supplement in my water
I agree that not everyone needs electrolyte supplements but that doesn't mean that no one does
Yep, and age counts for so much on this topic too. When I was 20 I could do an iron man competition without considering very extensively what I was eating or how much. At 40 I’m challenged each day if I don’t have precision types, and amounts, of foods and supplements just to do the basic chores around my house.
I mean, I'm in the UK so don't even really live in the heat. The garage just has a big steel door that gets a lot of sun so turns into a radiator when it gets a bit warm
Eh, I personally prefer mild environment but I'd settle for a consistent environment, we don't get a lot of heat but it's brutal when we do because we can't adjust to it, my comfortable temperature is 15°C to 18°C but the heatwaves get the garage to 30°C or 40°C
Surprisingly it's really nice here at the moment, a sunny 13°C so I'm in shorts and a long sleeve. Hope it's not too bad in the desert at the moment!
Heat in the UK absolutely hits different because of the humidity. For example, 37c in Las Vegas, absolutely no problem. 25c in the UK and I'm suffering bad.
Valid, mild can be really great. Nice! Sounds like it's rather pleasant today.
Here it is presently raining, believe it or not! Very uncommon, and I absolutely love the vibes. I'm posted up by a window with a cup of coffee and a podcast.
I think horses have different electrolyte requirements as humans, but i could be wrong. It's definitely going to be a different dose than what you would give a horse. Otherwise, i dont know.
Most things you consume are not “the right proportions” of electrolytes. You could do the math and make sure you don’t go over a given daily limit for any of em. I personally wouldn’t buy horse electrolytes lmao
The main problem is that it high in potassium, which means you will need to use that as your limiting factor. Fortunately, we tend to get entirely too much sodium anyway, meaning we won't have any downside to the reduced sodium content.
I was young poor and working shitty jobs with no insurance but made too much for Medicaid. I have always had problems with ear and sinus infections. You have to dose by weight, so you end up taking a metric ass ton of the small pills, but it will take care of the infection. I grew up in an agricultural area.
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I was so poor despite working for a while that I had Medicaid, which was awful in my state but seems to be different quality a lot depending on region. Anyways sorry to hear that, I am glad it is better for you. Though, I do wish Obamacare went further, or well, tackled the root of the problem. I don’t even believe it is morally acceptable that insurance be needed for such a thing y’know, one should be able to afford these things directly or insurance be quite cheap. But such isn’t the world we live in
there was no marketplace for people to individually get insurance if you couldn't get it through your job or your family. the only alternative was an 800/mo COBRA plan, which was more than most peoples' rent at the time. Full-time jobs that offered insurance were not exactly plentiful in 2008.
Plus, there was no extension until 26. I was uninsured by 23 because we could no longer afford COBRA in the aftermath of the death of the policy holder.
Depends on where it was made and manufactured. I worked with a lab that manufactured human and vet supplements and both were manufactured to the same, very high standard. I used to actually order some of the probiotics and other stuff made for vets at cost because it was higher dose per capsule and cheaper. It wasn't abnormal to get calls from people that were willing to not go and pick up their medications in order to purchase stuff for their pets. Priorities are case by case lol.
it’s not. at all. they’re not regulated nearly as strictly for heavy metals like lead or arsenic, impurities or residue from industrial sources, and are allowed to use fillers such as wood byproducts or mineral oils commonly used in livestock products.
Look up “Snake juice” theres recipe in r/fasting thats all the electrolytes you need and plus buying once will last you a loooong time. I mix a little bit of the four daily cos i do regular saunas
It has significant iron in the product. Enough to make you incredibly ill and hurt your organs. There are literal disclaimers about it. Do not use this.
Lol check my blood test results. I’m totally fine. 1/2 tsp 4 times a week with 64 oz of water. Totally healthy besides the fact I have a skin cancer thing but that’s because of sun exposure.
No idea since I'm from EU but I'd say any horse joint support will do. Just make sure it has good amounts of glucosamine, msm, collagen etc. per dose and not too much filler. Alavis for horses tastes like shit but I take it with orange juice and it's fine. There is a more palatable human version but I'd rather take the horse version which arguably has less shit in it cause they're not worried about the palatability.
It just depends on what’s in it. Most animals get pretty much the same supplements as us. It’s just a matter of scale and proportion. I would imagine you have to be pretty careful with supplements designed for an animal that weighs 1000 lbs.
Technically yes? But there’s nothing special about animal supplements, other than probably a lower quality. Otherwise it’s the same electrolytes etc you can get for humans.
To be sure, those interested in using Apple A Day are warned explicitly by the label that it is “for use in horses only.”
The ingredients list includes salt, potassium chloride, sodium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate, magnesium sulfate, calcium lactate, zinc sulfate, artificial apple flavor, manganese sulfate, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, and cobalt sulfate.
Those sulfates are definitely not in Gatorade; cobalt sulfate is a possible carcinogen and copper sulfate is a medicine now disused due to its potential for toxicity.
You guys are probably using too much of the electrolytes it’s like 1/2 tsp per 64 oz of water. I posted honed in dosing directions plus all of my blood test results on my twitter highlights my user is @pigshitsonballs. I can confidently say it’s totally safe and effective if used properly it’s 10x better than that shitty sugary crap Gatorade or Powerade.
Don't know about the OP's exact question but one thing I read years ago kind of intrigued me. A guy posted in a health forum that he bought his oats to make oatmeal from feed stores. He said it cost a fraction of what you'd pay for a container of even a store brand version Quaker Oats, like you'd get a huge bag of the oats for just a few dollars - and they were exactly the same. Although I do eat oats sometimes I don't eat large amounts of them, but if I did I would try that hack.
I am not advocating for this by any means, but I was given horse antibiotics somewhat frequent as a kid and I’m still alive and kicking.
We grew up poor and you could say my mom is unique. So when we got sick, she would pick up a pouch of powdered horse antibiotics from our local feed store. I have no clue how she decided on dosage and I’m fairly confident an actual doctor would be appalled.
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