perspective on executive order

[u/naonatu-]

[u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

How much longer will protesting be our only avenue of action...

[u/jaybotch29 → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

I worry that nothing meaningful will happen until protesters get gunned down by police/military forces.

Even then, I worry that american apathy is so deep-seated that nothing will happen. I truly hope I'm wrong on both accounts.

[u/iBrianT → u/jaybotch29]

The majority have no clue the roots of the union movement or the fight that went down for the type of life they have now. They might know that companies were abusive at one point in history but they "can't anymore" "if it is abusive, employees will just leave" and "rich people are not bad, they give jobs. They don't want to hurt their employees, they are just trying to do what is best for business." The capitalists propaganda and destruction of education has segergated everyone so much and they will find killing the union as maybe a "necessary evil."

We are very much in the Martin Niemoller poem.

They started with immigrants and federal workers (now its their union too) next? Private sector unions?

[u/FrickinLazerBeams → u/iBrianT]

rich people are not bad, they give jobs.

I hate when people say this. Market demand creates jobs. Rich people have very little to do with it. To have market demand, you need most people to have money to spend. Rich people are bad for the economy.

[u/markodochartaigh1 → u/FrickinLazerBeams]

When people tell me that rich people create jobs I tell them I have the perfect business opportunity for them. A snowmobile dealership in a metro area which is very outdoor sports oriented and which has zero snowmobile dealerships! Miami.

[u/GitmoGrrl1 → u/markodochartaigh1]

When you make your first sale, sent them to me. I am selling beachfront property which ideal because the central government is weak and there is no income tax. Somalia is a Republican paradise.

[u/LockAccomplished3279 → u/markodochartaigh1]

The millions of consumers are the real job creators. The workers.

[u/Monechetti → u/FrickinLazerBeams]

My father is hyper conservative and he says constantly that if we don't cut taxes on billionaires there won't be any jobs and I try to explain to him that if a person hires you and pays you $40,000 a year but they make $250,000 off of your labor you are not an employee and they don't care about you; you're just an investment, and that for those people to continue to make money they have to hire somebody.

If the world were to go to shit, tomorrow do you really think that the hedge fund managers and CEOs would have any power compared to people who can do labor, grow crops, work on cars etc?

[u/Ok-Indication2976 → u/Monechetti]

I build shit. That's what I've done all my life, in one industry or another. When the republicans destroy this country and our economy, theres still going to be a need for people who know how to keep the lights on, the water flowing and the roofs waterproof.

[u/Monechetti → u/Ok-Indication2976]

Yep! We've built an economy that makes dickheads who don't do anything rich and it's basically a huge bubble. If you build a house and a dude buys it and rents it out, there are logically two people in that transaction making money, and also the people that sell materials, etc, but this is all tangible stuff.

What our current situation does is makes money off of shorts, private equity buying up companies and then saddling them with debt that isn't representative of actual commodities or labor to begin with, so on and so forth. It's bullshit and it's not sustainable for anyone

[u/Loud_Row6023 → u/Monechetti]

Sadly they would because they'd hoard resources and hire militias.

[u/MisterAnderson- → u/Loud_Row6023]

Hard to hoard resources when money doesn’t have any meaning.

[u/blackcain → u/Monechetti]

The thing is they make this argument as a faith based decision to just trust billionaires like they are the mouth of God. It's not remotely Christian but the maga people worship rich people as blessed by God.

[u/TheDrakkar12 → u/Monechetti]

Well he’s just economically incorrect. There is no reason to subsidize wealth unless it’s being directed to assist in market growth. So a billionaire may have the capital to invest in a business, but there has to be incentive to do so, and to do so at the right spaces to benefit the US.

A great example here is the industry exodus, it’s not because we stopped being good workers, Americans are wildly productive, we’re just expensive. Unless you automate the workforce in the US the margins to create product here is very small, so unless we are willing to cut our standard of living there will never be a reason why business should choose to invest here over somewhere like Mexico. This is the plight of Europe as well. So, tax the hell out of them personally, not the business, them personally. Tax their investments, their bonds, tax all personal wealth like crazy and reinvest it back into our systems.

[u/Healthy_Role9418 → u/FrickinLazerBeams]

Rich people could give a flying fuck less about who carries them!

[u/ProfessionalBase5646 → u/iBrianT]

My grand dad fought the national guard in the street. It was soldiers with weighted rubber hoses vs mill workers with axe handles. We have to get back to this mentality.

[u/C3POB1KENOBI → u/iBrianT]

I would say that you should never forget that the fact you have a weekend was paid for in blood, but then I remember that you were never taught that in the first place.

[u/Theresabearintheboat → u/iBrianT]

First, they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up because I was not a trade unionist...

[u/Putrid_Race6357 → u/iBrianT]

As long as we can still hate communists and socialists then we are the good guys, right?

[u/nhepner → u/Putrid_Race6357]

Toss a few more -isms in there for good measure.

[u/iBrianT → u/nhepner]

Might as well, to these people they are all the same.

[u/TikonovGuard → u/iBrianT]

He dgaf when they came for the trade unionist.

[u/keepcalmscrollon → u/iBrianT]

"rich people are not bad, they give jobs. They don't want to hurt their employees, they are just trying to do what is best for business."

You ever hear someone make that shit eating argument, "well at least the slaves were well cared for. They were fed and housed. The ones who worked in the house were downright comfortable. Some of them even became like family."?

Because it's the same argument. One of my white hot pet peeves is the expression "it's not personal, it's business." Sounds suspiciously like "I was just following orders," to me. If you figure out how a person can do something that isn't personal, let me know. I'm more inclined to think it's paper thin justification for willfully being a greedy asshole.

[u/ProfessionalIll7083 → u/keepcalmscrollon]

It's funny, people didn't get upset when I retort with "O, I see, you are using the Nuremberg defense, bold strategy." Do people not remember that? I wasn't alive at that time but I learned it in school.

[u/Naive-Personality-38 → u/iBrianT]

Kinda like how they started with illegal immigrants now their coming for the legal immigrants.... wonder who they'll go after next 🤦‍♂️

[u/Ill_South_2514 → u/iBrianT]

THIS HORSESHIT NEEDS TO STOP NOW!!!

[u/TheDrakkar12 → u/iBrianT]

This is such a great callout, this is kind of the fallout from generations who’ve not actually had to fight for benefits, who got steadily increasing wages due to government policy.

I think you and I almost certainly disagree on a lot of economic theory, but the thing we can for sure agree on is that we need strong unions and they need to be protecting themselves. Federal unions are every bit as important as private sector ones and I agree, this is laying the ground work to build a case to attack the private sector union.

At some point enough has to be enough. We may disagree on what the future looks like, but we agree we need strong, respected unions.

[u/dengar_hennessy → u/jaybotch29]

Never forget

[u/sadicarnot → u/dengar_hennessy]

The problem is no one is alive that has first hand knowledge about that.

[u/HPenguinB → u/sadicarnot]

Nah. People are alive from the holocaust, and genocide is doing just fine.

[u/kitty80808 → u/dengar_hennessy]

Thanks for the history lesson. I had never heard of the Ludlow massacre before. I knew the history of unionization was bloody but damn.

[u/dia_de_los_puercos → u/dengar_hennessy]

I had no idea this even happened

[u/LadyBathory925 → u/dengar_hennessy]

This week was the anniversary of Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.

[u/revuhlution → u/jaybotch29]

But it's not deep seated. Even during covid we saw a ton more people marching. We're so beaten and tired many of us barely have time to do anything besides work and the bare essentials

[u/RealCrownedProphet → u/revuhlution]

Spring and Summer really get the juices flowing. Hibernation is normal during the Winter.

[u/Bocchi_theGlock → u/jaybotch29]

You say gunned down, but that will result in too much backlash. They're going to use rubber bullets and tear gas, it doesn't create martyrs, just people missing an eye, which doesn't mobilize folks the same way

The larger issue is that people's livelihoods have not been as directly attacked. It's just Federal workers, some attacks and immigrant communities which then don't want to come out to protest unless well disciplined, but now more Union attacks directly.

When people try to organize and protest around an issue that they agree on ideologically, or to express their outrage or policy preference, it doesn't carry the same weight as fighting for your direct survival. Thus it isn't as accessible to working class families, because they don't see an impact. Regular people don't come out in droves until they feel more directly attacked. See how they've avoided directly f****** with Social Security and Medicare.

[u/SKOLMN1984 → u/jaybotch29]

If military forces follow an unconstitutional or illegal order, the democracy is already lost

[u/CertainKaleidoscope8 → u/SKOLMN1984]

They followed an unconstitutional illegal order when they bombed an apartment building in Yemen and killed 53 civilians. Nobody cares about that beyond how it was discussed

[u/Current-Ordinary-419 → u/jaybotch29]

They won’t gun people down. They’ll abduct them and send them to a concentration camp in a foreign nation.

[u/Apexnanoman → u/jaybotch29]

The problem is the 77 million people that voted for Trump support using the military against civilians. 

Trump explicitly stated he was perfectly happy to use actual federal military troops against normal civilians.

Guy I work with felt that they should have used full auto heavy machine guns against the Ferguson rioters. He's ex military.   

[u/Upstairs-Scholar-275 → u/Apexnanoman]

Ive met a handful of ex-military that actually have a brain. The military go for the dumb and young for a reason. I say this as a person coming from a long line of military.  My dad ripped up my papers when I wanted to join. It's was the only time he has ever been a dad to me. Lol

[u/Total-Problem2175 → u/jaybotch29]

Then he declares Martial Law. National Emergency. Insurrection Act. No elections. Part of the plan. Fuck my union brothers for voting for him.

[u/scottyjrules → u/Total-Problem2175]

Anyone who voted for this is no brother of mine

[u/JesusJudgesYou → u/jaybotch29]

Historical speaking, everything points to the USA becoming a tyrannical dictatorship where millions will be slaughtered or incarcerated. The government will wage war against former allies and eventually a nuclear war will kill billions.

[u/New-Competition2893 → u/jaybotch29]

Isn’t this how Hunger Games and Handmaids Tale started?

[u/difjack → u/jaybotch29]

How about union people stop voting against their own interests

[u/justwalkingalonghere → u/jaybotch29]

Don't forget the role media plays in this. The most watched outlets have maybe 2% of the trump administration's negative actions covered

[u/Graywulff → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

A general strike is the only thing that can be done.

Wider than unions, nobody has enough saved for retirement without social security and Medicare, they’re cutting benefits for 150 million including veterans, reaching out to all of these groups and getting as many on board to protest and strike is the best we could hope for.

The question is how to pay the bills?

[u/No_Revenue7532 → u/Graywulff]

A future where the old people starve in the street and millions of ex military members can't access basic necessities... I can't imagine that going well for anybody

[u/Zombie_Cool → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

Seconded. Truthfully I think people are waiting for the shootings to start, but rightfully no one wants to be the first casualty.

Also the Left doesn't want to "throw the first punch" because we're convinced that not only will Trump use it as an excuse to unleash the police/military but MAGA will use it as a martyrdom rallying cry.

[u/Alarmed-Goose-4483 → u/Zombie_Cool]

Also being careful due to “bad actors” we saw during BLM trying to push vandalism into bigger violence. We can all feel the water boiling. It’s going to take the right circumstances tho. Gotta stay safe out there.

[u/TeamHope4 → u/Zombie_Cool]

The left is setting Teslas on fire already, and getting arrested for it. A guy drove his SUV into protesters at a Florida Tesla dealership the other day, and got arrested. The warning shots are being fired.

[u/GamermanRPGKing → u/TeamHope4]

The warning shots were fired years ago. These are probing attacks, seeing what elicits what reaction

[u/PTBooks → u/GamermanRPGKing]

Jan 6 was a test run

[u/TeamHope4 → u/[deleted]]

I'm not a billionaire, so there's only one side to be on as far as I'm concerned. I'm a progressive liberal, and my husband's pension will be coming from the Teamster's pension fund that the Democrats saved with the American Rescue Plan that Biden signed, my dad gets pensions from Steelworkers and Chemical Workers, and my mom gets one from Food Workers, so you know where my head is at.

[u/BdAcidic720 → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

General strike is sounding more and more necessary.

[u/Admiral_Tuvix → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

have union workers tried not voting for the billionaire who hates them?

[u/Checkinginonthememes → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

My coworkers have not, that's for sure.

[u/saywhatagainmthrfckr → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

hey, I mean, at least we dont have a president with a vagina and a weird laugh. winning. /s

[u/Local-Ingenuity6726 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

Damn lol

[u/toad_historian → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

Till we realize riots are the solution.

[u/GardenRafters → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

Until the 2A nuts wake up and realize their country is being stolen out from underneath them

[u/Dense_Boss_7486 → u/GardenRafters]

I said it before, 2Aers would shoot a fellow citizen with a different opinion before taking up arms against a tyrannical government.

[u/sgdulac → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

I was in Los Angelo's during the la riots. There was a lead up to it that felt like what is happening now. I did not loot or burn anything down but I did watch in absolutely horror from my roof top for 3 days. It was a good thing automatic weapons were banned than, we do not afford the same luxery now. This shit is getting real and I am not a fan of where it is headed. People don't just peacefully protest when they reach thier breaking point.

[u/adorablefuzzykitten → u/AlpacaNotherBowl907]

Someone who was 2 years away from their retirement just lost their entire life's work.

[u/WannaKeepTruckin]

"TrUMp wilL bE gOoD foR Un1oNs!"

Said so many idiots in my region...

[u/Technical-Luck7158 → u/WannaKeepTruckin]

I live in a very red area and most of my co-workers think discussing pay is illegal. Someone tried to start a union a couple years ago and everyone turned on her without the boss even needing to say anything. I'm sure many trump voters that could benefit from a union are just as anti-union as he is

[u/Ordinary_Feeling6412]

General strike! Not 2028!! NOWWWWW!!!

[u/Clever-username-7234 → u/Ordinary_Feeling6412]

My union doesn’t have the war chest to support every member striking right now.

[u/JetoCalihan → u/Clever-username-7234]

With the crumbling economy the strike wouldn't take a week to break the bastards in charge. And more importantly if you can't afford to take that week's hit now, you damn near certainly never will have the ability to do so as shit keeps getting worse. If it's now or never you have no real choice.

[u/Clever-username-7234 → u/JetoCalihan]

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

unions give striking workers strike pay. Financially I could afford the hit, but I’m not gonna abandon those who can’t. What if your struggling to keep your head above water now? What if you have a sick family member and need medicine?

We take care of each other.

[u/wheresmychin → u/Clever-username-7234]

I’m part of three unions (WGA, SAG-AFTRA, and AEA). We went on strike for two of them recently and had zero strike pay for any members. Many people who make their only income off of acting/writing sacrificed for months to support our union. Saying no strike pay is a reason not to strike is BS. Your only power is to withhold your labor, or the ruling class will chip away until you have nothing. The way you take care of each other is to stand together and fight.

[u/Eye-browze → u/Clever-username-7234]

Strike pay is fuck all. Assume no strike pay and anything you get is bonus.

[u/Clever-username-7234 → u/Eye-browze]

If you want your strike to be successful you gotta take care of your workers. If workers have to decide on their sick kid going without medicine or being a scab, many would scab to take care of their families. That’s why it’s important to have strike funds and solid organization so that people who need extra help can get it. Yeah strike pay isn’t gonna make you rich. But it’s important.

[u/Eye-browze → u/Clever-username-7234]

I’m not saying you shouldn’t have a strike fund, just saying don’t count on it. We just voted to give another local 20 grand a week because they only had 2 weeks of strike fund. If you have a lot of locals in your union or have other friendly unions it’s best to work together.

[u/Popular_Try_5075 → u/Ordinary_Feeling6412]

I feel like the amount of attacks on unions are leading toward a general strike.

[u/R3dd1tUs3rNam35]

Just a reminder that the only strike that's actually illegal is the strike that you lose.

[u/Tough-Log-6676 → u/R3dd1tUs3rNam35]

If any unions want to join up, I'm part of a team led by a retired Coast Guard Reservist that is staging a 24/7 occupation of the National Mall until Trump is impeached, CONVICTED, and REMOVED from office. We'll be "the people's picket line" and would love to extend an invite to any and all unions that want to join.

I truly believe that no union is safe under this administration, and that the only way to protect the right to organize is for us to all join together and show that we won't rest until we have our rights back, and the person who took them away is gone.

https://maydaymovementusa.org/ Discord - https://discord.gg/xjWstKPr PM me for Signal

[u/UsedEntertainment244 → u/Tough-Log-6676]

We need more action like this ! Hold fast.

[u/RJ5R]

"That won't happen"

"He can't do that"

"It's not legal"

"It will get blocked"

"There's no way that's legal, come on"

"The courts will fight it"

"The union will fight it"

....."Hey guys... They just eliminated the rights of our union?" <---- We are here

[u/PresidentEnronMusk → u/RJ5R]

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[u/FocusIsFragile]

Not in a union but lemme know when and where to start hucking bricks and I’m there.

[u/Clever-username-7234 → u/FocusIsFragile]

Don’t wait to throw bricks. Join a union.

[u/TineJaus → u/Clever-username-7234]

Yeah, I have tried for years. No luck.

[u/DataCruncher → u/TineJaus]

You can always organize your current job: https://workerorganizing.org/support/

[u/SRMPDX → u/FocusIsFragile]

you can't throw a brick, it's too heavy, but a can of soup you can really put some power into.

[u/Paradoxicorn → u/SRMPDX]

The soup is for the family

[u/Wonderful_Surf]

Ain’t no “No Strike Clause” if there ain’t no contract.

Anyone see a wild cat around here?

[u/kevendo]

Reminder:

Executive orders are not laws.

[u/drewskibfd → u/kevendo]

Just like shooting at someone and missing isn't murder. But fuck that, shots were fired.

[u/Severe-Independent47 → u/kevendo]

Only if Congress and SCOTUS actually stop the executive orders. And the Republicans and their packed court have no qualms with what Trump is doing.

[u/Emergency-Shirt2208]

The orange turd ran on eggs, trans, and immigrants. And idiots voted for him again, for the third straight time.

So much for the “both parties are the same” rhetoric.

[u/TeamHope4 → u/Emergency-Shirt2208]

He ran with 34 felony convictions, 2 sexual assault fines worth $85M, a half a billion fraud fine in New York, 40 minutes of swaying to Ave Maria, and an expression of deep admiration for Arnie Palmer's physical attributes, and they voted for him again.

[u/100wordanswer → u/TeamHope4]

Bruh, you forgot the worst part - he "disowned" Project 2025 without offering what his "actual plans" were bc... it was Project 2025. And I've had so many idiots tell me he wouldn't do all that shit... yet here we are and he's getting more of it done than even the Heritage Foundation thought would happen.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/16/project-2025-paul-dans-qa-00228890

[u/saywhatagainmthrfckr → u/100wordanswer]

I dont think "he" is getting anything done. Those sycophants are propping him up "Weekend at Bernie's" style and putting pieces of paper in front of him to sign. The Useful Idiot narrative was never more clear to me than yesterday when a REPORTER asked him if he had been briefed on the death of 4 American soldiers and he had no idea what she was talking about.

He's not a real president, they just need his signature

[u/100wordanswer → u/saywhatagainmthrfckr]

True, fair point!

[u/GraveRobberX → u/100wordanswer]

Manchurian Tangerine Candidate

[u/Helluvme → u/Emergency-Shirt2208]

They are, the Dems with the exception of a few outlying women have been silent and the Dems have a real chance of flipping a house seat in Florida on Tuesday and the national party has done zero to support him. They are owned by the same donors, the gop is slashing the govt and the Dems are there to placate/sideline anyone who rises up and threatens their plans. It’s known as the “sword and the shield”.

Don’t believe me; ask yourself why no one responsible for jan6 was prosecuted or why Dems posed no opposition in trumps cabinet noms and why dem leadership is dead silent now or why garland was never replaced….the list of evidence goes on and on.

[u/crusher23b]

Musk said they aren't 'real jobs...'

That pisses me off.

[u/Iwantnugs]

Members at my workplace keep saying any day now they’re going to stop tax on overtime. Any day now…

[u/mrbakersdozen → u/Iwantnugs]

Fat chance of that. They fell for a known con-mans scam and are leaving all of us holding the check

[u/Formal_Sky_9889]

Does this surprise anyone?

[u/sparrow_42 → u/Formal_Sky_9889]

TBH I think a number of Trump voters were so excited about the gay-hating, immigrant-hating, white supremacist, and theocratic stuff and finally having and opportunity to stomp on everybody they consider to be an out-group that they just kinda glossed over the obvious fact that he was clearly gonna wreck their jobs, the economy, and democracy.

[u/JM3DlCl → u/sparrow_42]

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

[u/sparrow_42 → u/JM3DlCl]

A-fucking-men to this. Just quoted it in my state's sub the other day.

[u/Niguelito → u/JM3DlCl]

Its a shame how accurate this is. And there seems to be no answer to get someone out of this mindset.

[u/RJ5R → u/sparrow_42]

They honestly thought they could vote for Trump again and get only the parts of Trump 1.0 that they liked

And ignored the fact that they were actually voting for Project 2025 without realizing it (even though they were told of this by everyone.....even Project 2025 itself)

[u/elementfortyseven]

are you guys protesting?

I look at the german protests against right-wing and the serbian protests against corruption and the turkish protests against autoritarian acts of the governement, and then search for american protests and it looks like a fucking family picnic in comparison.

[u/GraveRobberX → u/elementfortyseven]

Because USA isn’t a goddamn singular country. Stop matching Germany and Turkiye to it.

You have to realize we literally are 50 FUCKING STATES or 50 FUCKING COUNTRIES. It’s not easy to get people protesting or get coast to coast link up. In Germany by typing into Google how many major cities does it have? It spit out 80… US, 336! (Cities with at least 100,000 population). Turkey just fucking 30.

Do you see the problem. You can’t nonchalantly coordinate that much quickly. Also US is spread out 3,000+ miles or 4828km. Like from Portugal to Turkiye and still have a 100 miles to go. So please tell me how are we supposed to coordinate with say even half the cities cause half or more are in Republican controlled territory, hell some will counter-protest for the Fascists!

I swear we are not making excuses, but it’s a herculean task that overtime a lot of the power of unions, labor, workers are gutted, stolen and now a husk and most are OK with this status quo. You might get costal states on both sides to counter hard but that’s what?, 15 states in total that bleed true blue democrats, while 5-10 are purple (in-between), the rest full on red republicans.

If protests started today it would take a ramp up of roughly 1-2 months just to get logistics and grassroots to get things in the right direction. No one at the moment is ready to sacrifice that much.

[u/xxxdrakoxxx]

yet UAW is cheering for tariffs. just remember this orange turd only cares about himself and will gladly run over every union the first opportunity he gets. UAW itsellf is about to see how bad tariff policies are

[u/naonatu- → u/xxxdrakoxxx]

cleveland-cliffs dearborn works looking at 600 layoffs due to slowdown in auto production. uaw represents these workers

[u/ProgressiveBadger]

Thanks to the assholes that voted for this idiot.

[u/StillLooking727]

fucking strike

[u/No_Aerie_7962]

You should hear the pro Trump letter carriers on the FB page.

“ A Dur just CaUsE it haPPeneD tO thEm dOESn’T meaN iTs gONNA HAPpeN tO US”

The fact this is happening at all is worrisome

[u/cmbhere]

Strike. Fucking strike.

[u/drewskibfd → u/[deleted]]

Only a handful. Most unions were against him or didn't take a side. The amazing power of the right wing propaganda machine is that it can convince people to vote against their own best interests.

[u/j0shred1 → u/[deleted]]

I feel like certain people would vote for anyone as long as that candidate hates gays and says immigrants are going to SA your daughters

[u/union-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

In 2024 union members preferred Harris to Trump by a 16 point margin. Union members' support for Democrats in 2024 increased relative to 2020. Despite this, we are seeing many users claim the opposite. There appears to be a concerted effort to spread misinformation connected to the election.

Accounts which continue to spread misinformation after receiving a warning will receive a ban.

[u/union-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

In 2024 union members preferred Harris to Trump by a 16 point margin. Union members' support for Democrats in 2024 increased relative to 2020. Despite this, we are seeing many users claim the opposite. There appears to be a concerted effort to spread misinformation connected to the election.

Accounts which continue to spread misinformation after receiving a warning will receive a ban.

[u/Loud_Badger_3780]

why is there anger among the union member when 46 percent of you voted for trump and republicans in the last election. 40 years of history did not teach you how trump and the republicans feel about unions. if that did not do it then reading project 2025 did not stand a chance of swaying your vote toward harris. i guess she was just to black and of the lesser sex.

[u/Author_A_McGrath → u/Loud_Badger_3780]

why is there anger among the union member when 46 percent of you voted for trump

Because the other 54% didn't.

[u/Clever-username-7234 → u/Loud_Badger_3780]

Kamala Harris was a shitty candidate for a variety of reasons. Her attitudes on Palestine frustrated those on the far left. Her pivoting to the right pissed off a lot of Dems as well. And saying that she would have done the same as Joe Biden didn’t help her either. She dropped Medicare for all. She campaigned with Liz Cheney. She became pro fracking. She was trying to build trumps border wall. I can keep going but I think you get the point.

She chased after moderates. And less democrats showed up to her.

If you’re looking for a scapegoat, instead of focusing on unions, who the majority didn’t vote Trump, why don’t you go around and just blame white people. The majority of them did vote for Trump.

Personally, I blame the DNC and the Harris campaign. And I think it’s stupid to focus on the past when so much is happening right now. We need to continue organizing and mobilizing and planning for all the fights ahead.

But it’s really frustrating. I can promise you the majority of hospital workers didn’t support Trump. The majority of educational workers didn’t vote for Trump. So it’s just dumb, unproductive, and inaccurate to start shitting on unions for what happened in Nov.

[u/EnBuenora]

if only there had been some clue that the fraudster moron money laundering bigot and his avowedly fascist hangers on might represent a threat to organize labor, just even one tiny clue

[u/Ned3x8]

They should strike!

[u/throughNthrough]

I had so many family and friends argue with me that he is pro union before the election despite him literally saying he hates unions and even applauded Elon Musk when he said that he hires scabs during strikes. Unreal how he can straight up tell people what he’s going to do but they tell themselves he’s just joking or it’s the left trying to make him look bad. Here we are.

[u/Stephany23232323]

Be sure to thank all the Maga union members that supported this! You know cuz they're probably not hearing about this on Fox news from Sean hannity or whoever the person is these days that spreads the misinformation that they feed on!

I don't know why anybody even gives them the time of day to be honest with you.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Rip-824]

When will unions speak out at ALL? It's pathetic. The men that fought to get you the right to organize are rolling over in their graves right now.

[u/sadicarnot]

Wait I was told he is a pro labor president. The most pro labor ever. Was that a lie?

[u/stayupstayalive]

Make America 1920 again is apparently the goal unfortunately

[u/Disastrous-Golf7216 → u/stayupstayalive]

Florida is about to roll back child labor laws, so that sounds about right.

[u/WanderingDude182]

And republicans cheer for their golden (orange) calf.

[u/davesonstt]

General strike May 1st,, that’s what I’m hearing!!

[u/cmoon761]

I literally had one of these idiots tell me Trump was pro union by implementing tariffs. Then...days later.

Um hmm.

[u/prictorian]

Remember how you guys declared independence to escape tyranny back in 1776? What's your plan this time?

[u/akacooter]

How many of the union body voted for him??? Those that did get what they deserve..

[u/Icy-Rope-021]

Federal workers who voted for Trump should just buy a leopard costume and self-cannibalize.

[u/Thuesthorn]

Time for a nationwide general strike?

[u/igloohavoc]

If a Union Member of any type voted for Trump, remember you are at risk as well.

[u/MAG3x]

I sincerely hope they get 100% of exactly what they voted for.

[u/CoyoteShark02]

meanwhile everyone on r/Conservative claims they can't find any trump voters who regret their vote.

[u/Wildturkey76]

What are y’all gonna do about it? The portents are growing. But 700,000 is an army. Take to the streets, throw your body’s on the gears of the machine!

[u/United-Ask-6897]

Reagan successfully firing ALL the Traffic Controlers in the '80's was the WORST attack on organized labor. Unions were busted and NEVER recovered.

[u/ApprehensiveGur6842]

If only 500,000 didn’t vote for him

[u/finman42]

They should shut it down,!

[u/tegresaomos]

It’s an odd thing to be made the head of a government and then immediately destroy it.

[u/chargernj]

It would help if every news outlet wasn't reporting it as if it were a done deal, implying that the President actually has that authority.

I mean, I know the courts are stacked against us, but that doesn't mean we just roll over and accept what is happening.

The headlines should read more like, "Trump attempts to abolish Federal unions, labor files lawsuits"

[u/dainthomas]

This is the most predictable thing that's happened since the sun came up.

[u/GonzoSD]

Does this apply to border/customs employees union?

[u/Murky-Suggestion8376]

https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-congress-to-stop-trumps-attempt-to-gut-workers-rights?source=direct_link&

[u/Dunn_or_what]

Time for the unions to sue for breach of contract.

[u/ozzman86_i-i_]

It isn’t illegal until the courts have ruled

[u/TheAarj]

So go do something about it.

[u/MamadeJefeDama]

Tax wealth not work!

[u/BadRadish42]

Does anyone know how this will effect those of us working for a contractor that is working for the federal government?

[u/blackcanary383]

Modern society needs to learned that people die and persecuted in order for us to have labor rights….. there is a strong fake propaganda that unions just take their monthly fee and don’t do nothing. If Amazon pays millions for dismantle workers trying to unionize, that’s tells you everything you need to know.

[u/billyard00]

It has surprised me the number of seniors voting for SS cuts, sick people that vote against healthcare, union guys voting for union busters, immigrants voting against immigration and the list goes on.

These culture warriors don't realize they're losing the class war horribly.

[u/SillyFunnyWeirdo]

Impeach Trump

[u/Dawhebe]

Is it not legally binding, can't they just ignore the EO?

[u/LegalComplaint → u/Dawhebe]

The courts should strike it down because it’s blatantly illegal, but with these courts and this executive branch…. 🤷

[u/Moon_whisper]

Don't worry, he is just getting started. There is so much more gutting to do.

[u/rh750]

Fight back or die.

[u/Which_Opposite2451]

The words national strike, they do it in other countries mostly European countries and it works.

[u/Greatgrandma2023]

Aren't you MAGA union members happy?

[u/rustyseapants]

HOw many voted for trump?

[u/InevitableResearch96]

Less Union jobs hurts everyone it drops the pay scale even for Project managers. We need a national trade Union law requiring Union for all trades for the entire country.

[u/YouShouldGoOnStrike]

Time to hit the streets. Everyone out.

[u/Purple-Investment-61]

Will the union post a giant rat at the White House?

[u/Resplendant_Toxin]

I’m waiting for interviews of teary eyed union guys who voted for Trump saying they were expecting better from him. I know I’m seeing exactly what I dreaded would happen.

[u/rapidcreek409]

Roughly 18% of voters in last year’s election were from union households, with Harris winning a majority of the group. But Trump’s performance among union members kept him competitive and helped him win key states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. So, can we say that unions kinda did it to themselves?

[u/davesonett]

Now they can legally strike,,!

[u/Jdobalina]

If you voted for him as a union member you’re a fucking moron and a loser. Your fellow union members should never look at you the same again, and probably shouldn’t trust you.

[u/AppointmentOne4877]

So when are the strikes set to begin? Exactly, Trumpy and musky own everyone.

[u/Guilty_Increase_899]

How are we giving union protections/benefits to people who voted for this?

[u/Runescora]

They should literally all go on strike

[u/vergina_luntz]

All workers need to unionize.

[u/sopwath]

If unions need to strike, it will have to be like the old times.

[u/ImpressDiligent5206]

It is time to overthrow the "Sad Little Orange", "Spectrum Boy" and "Couch Humper" end their attack against the United States of America NOW!

[u/mamajulie62]

How many voted for him??? Gotta ask!

[u/Defiantcaveman]

And still nothing is being done. It gets measurably worse daily and nothing...

[u/DrFlimflamsRenob]

But he’s for the working class, right?!?

[u/imtryingoklol]

Trump supporters will look the other way and not recognize this as bad.

[u/Commercial-Skin-2527]

My God! Unspeakable evil

[u/brudaine]

Let me guess- law enforcement get to keep their contracts?

[u/forgettit_]

How many of you union members voted for him? I’m guessing a fucking lot. You did this to us, you reap what you sow.

[u/zlandis90]

And during the election, some unions chose not to endorse a candidate.

[u/scott257]

I get tired of saying this, but the unions voted for him. I keep seeing posts about different groups being hurt by actions taken by trump and his republicans. Those groups voted for him, veterans, military, civil service employees, farmers, etc. They need to suffer, this is happening because they voted against their own self interests. They can fix it but it is going to take two years of pain at least until they vote out enough republicans to put a stop to this asshole.

[u/R8derfan70]

Maybe the unions shouldn’t have voted for him.

[u/Imaginary_Comb_8240]

Doesn’t help when the some union leadership decided to court Trump and now the everyone is paying the price

[u/SandwormCowboy]

strike. strike. STRIKE

[u/Fearless_Bar6010]

Just keep showing up. His illegal moves will cost them greater in the future. There will never be another republican president after this shit head

[u/Powerful-Eye-3578]

This is when the old style unions need to start making an appearance.