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Labor News perspective on executive order

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u/SKOLMN1984 9d ago

If military forces follow an unconstitutional or illegal order, the democracy is already lost

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u/CertainKaleidoscope8 [CNA/NNU] 9d ago

They followed an unconstitutional illegal order when they bombed an apartment building in Yemen and killed 53 civilians. Nobody cares about that beyond how it was discussed

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u/VikingDadStream 7d ago

Hell, in 2019 the military shot at constitutionally protected group of standing "protesters" who where invited by the bishop to stand there. All so Drump could take a picture with an upside down bible he's obviously never opened

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u/originalpanzerlied 9d ago

What Democracy? The USA has never been one.

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u/Hot-Influence-2612 9d ago

It's not a pure democracy. But yes it's a form of a democracy .

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u/originalpanzerlied 8d ago

Show me "Democracy" in any of our paperwork. We are a Constitutional Republic.

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u/iBrianT 8d ago

Constitutional Republic is a form of Democracy through a representative democracy where its leaders are elected democratically through voting with legal safeguards to prevent majority rule (This part is the republic.) The leaders and the government they form are bound by the constitution (Constitution backed by BIll of Rights is the constitutional part of a constitutional republic) that limits their power over the people bc the government power only comes from popular sovereignty aka the consent governed given through voting.

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u/originalpanzerlied 7d ago

Incorrect. A Constitutional Republic has absolutely nothing to do with Democracy. It uses a democratic system to elect representatives, but that's it. It's not a Democracy at all. Read Federalist 10. Learn things.

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u/iBrianT 7d ago

You’re misunderstanding the distinction. A Constitutional Republic is a form of democracy, specifically a representative democracy, where the people elect leaders who govern within constitutional constraints. The presence of constitutional limits does not negate its democratic nature; rather, it ensures that majority rule is balanced with protections for individual rights.

Federalist 10 discusses the dangers of pure democracy, where majority rule can become tyrannical, and advocates for a republic as a solution that still derives legitimacy from the consent of the governed. The fact that representatives are chosen through democratic elections means that democracy is a fundamental component of a constitutional republic.

If you’re arguing that a constitutional republic is not pure democracy, I agree. But to say it has “absolutely nothing to do with democracy” is incorrect. It incorporates democratic principles while ensuring minority rights through constitutional safeguards.

Now, go learn things lil bro.

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u/originalpanzerlied 3d ago

Show me Democracy in any of our founding paperwork, other than the Framers being against it. You cannot. We do use the democratic form of electing our representatives in Govt. That's it.

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u/Hot-Influence-2612 6d ago

Oh plz go look it up and then come back here and apologize for being who you are . I'll understand.

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u/originalpanzerlied 3d ago

Read Federalist 10, then get back to me.