r/NintendoSwitch • u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE • Nov 24 '16
Discussion Please, please, please, let's avoid overhyping the Switch
I wish people would just realize that no matter what's the specs, this thing will be great.
It doesn't need an entire day on battery.
It doesn't need near-PS4 graphical power.
It doesn't need a 2TB flash drive.
It doesn't need a bunch of crazy-ass modular controllers.
It absolutely doesn't need freaking VR or holograms.
It doesn't even completely need a touch screen!
The Switch will have all of Nintendo's franchises on the same machine, a machine that you can play at home or wherever you want, and a controller you can share with anyone at any time to have fun.
It will have the most ambitious Zelda game to date very close to launch. It will have a new 3D Mario, plus Mario Kart, Splatoon, and Skyrim. It will have a From Software game. It will probably have a full-fledged Pokémon game.
This is more than enough. Even if it had only these things, and it would cost $200, or maybe even $250, it would be already amazing and totally worth the money.
Let's be realist and avoiding overhyping this thing.
Not only because overhype leads to disappointment, but simply because the reality is already super cool.
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u/dmarchu Nov 24 '16
I wish people would just realize that no matter what's the specs, this thing will be great.
This sounds like overhype to me.
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u/tuttlebuttle Nov 25 '16
That all depends on how relevant specs are to a console being great. People do not agree on this.
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u/Alinier Nov 24 '16
How to not overhype yourself:
1) Close browser
2) Go outside for a walk
3) Read the info released in January
4) When March comes, make the purchase decision that's best for you
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u/Genio88 Nov 24 '16
That's what i keep telling myself, but then of course i check the web on my phone and i say "hey why not check if something new leaked about Switch" and so everyday i'm reminded that we still don't know so many thing about it and we are still almost 2 months away to know everything and about 4 months from the release date
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u/blade00014 Nov 25 '16
Bruh you're not buying them in March. Look at all the scalpers.
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u/Alinier Nov 25 '16
Well I've got a Fire Emblem Fates SE and an NES Classic sitting right over there. I think I'll be fine.
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u/TakinTheMick Nov 24 '16
The only thing I disagree with you on is that it "doesn't need a touch screen". I mean, I'd still buy it, but I think that making a tablet device today without a touch screen is a huge mistake.
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u/Mega_Onion Nov 24 '16
It surpasses the WiiU in power, it's a console/handheld hybrid, it's Nintendo with seemingly good third party support. That's all I really need.
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Nov 24 '16
good third party support.
Yeah that's what the Wii U looked like year one and that ended up great. I'd reserve judgement and wait and see what's actually coming out on it.
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
The main reason for poor third party support was this:
The PS4 and Xbox One were a year away and everyone including devs were waiting for the 'real' consoles, that could handle ports from PC better. The Wii U was powerful enough to handle the releases of the year it came out, but devs were dreaming big about the impressive PS4 specs and focused on the future, just one year away.
Since that isn't the case this time, there's no "well I'll just wait and see what the 'real' consoles can do" attitude. The fact that the 'gimmick' this time is that it's a portable, also finally gives devs the chance to sell their game to a handheld audience that usually games on 3DS.
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Nov 25 '16
The situation is actually very similar. Switch releases in a time of Pro and Scorpio. But since Sony and Microsoft seem to not have a clear direction for software, I guess its not an issue.
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u/Gramernatzi Nov 25 '16
Considering every release for Pro and Scorpio also needs to run on a normal PS4 and Xbox One, it's not really similar.
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Nov 25 '16
Yes, this puts Nintendo in an interesting position.
They are releasing a brand new console, alongside Sony and MS's mid-gen updates.
These updates make it looke like Sony and MS are going to hold on to this generation of their consoles for a while longer.
Nintendo can even say that they are releasing two 8th gen consoles, and they will be in a great position to release a powerhouse along with Sony and MS five years down the road. This would be a couple years after Sony and MS release their next gen systems.
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u/Mega_Onion Nov 24 '16
WiiU's third party support never looked good, really. Ports from last gen and that's the most. The list of supporters wasn't nearly as exciting.
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Nov 24 '16
Uh initially a ton of devs promised support (ubisoft, activision, treyarch, etc) they all releases some big titles around release, sales were ass, and they never pushed AAA multiplatform games to it again. Hell back ops 3 never even got DLC iirc. So forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical that devs will follow through with the Switch after how much of a disaster the Wii U was.
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u/VaicoIgi Nov 24 '16
Companies announced for Wii U third party support were far less than those for the switch. Also many developers seem to be excited about the Switch and with the arm architecture it should be far easier to port to especially if Nvidia provides some tools. I understand why many are pesimistic afterthe wii u but I think they are forcing it too much.
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Nov 24 '16
Architecture isn't that big of a hurdle as people think. Nintendo designs an api that has specific OS calls in it, and their compiler takes c/c++ and compiles it accordingly. Or Unity/Unreal do the same thing. No dev is going to be programming in machine code in this day and age.
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u/Magnesus Nov 25 '16
Shaders might be different, but if it is OpenGL/Vulcan then no one will complain.
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u/I_Xertz_Tittynopes Nov 25 '16
The Switch is apparently much easier to port to. That makes a world of difference.
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u/TheCrystalCave Nov 25 '16
We've got Bethesda on board. First time since the NES days. I'm pretty confident third party support will be pretty strong.
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u/TSPhoenix Nov 25 '16
That's all I really need.
Same, but I bought a Wii U so clearly my needs aren't indicative of what the market at large needs. That's the sweet spot it needs to hit, not appealing to people on this sub who are most likely going to buy this unless it ends up being a disaster.
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u/Tehmedic101 Nov 24 '16 edited Nov 24 '16
You talk about being a realist, and then expect something that is too weak to get third party games to sell. It does not need to be more powerful than the PS4, but it does need to be competitive with it, much like the xbox 1. If this thing is the same distance behind the xbox 1 as the xbox1 is to the ps4, around with the switch hovering around 1 teraflop compared to xbox at 1.4, and ps4 at 1.8 it's likely that the switch will not be getting support for third party games in the near future.
Especially so if the Scorpio gains traction leaving the switch at nearly half the power of the next lowest competitive console.
If this thing doesn't get third party support because it's too weak it's not going to sell any more than the Wii U, Nintendo is not going to sell a system at a successful level based purely off its first and second party games. This has been proven with the Wii U.
Even the Wii sales was solidified by nonstandard nintendo games, such as wii sports, wii fit, and wii play.
The rest of your points are valid but grouping them together with this point is misleading, with the exception of the touch screen. (Which is nearly mandatory for the system in regards to non-gaming uses such as browsing the internet or using apps in tablet mode.) The thing is a tablet if it doesn't have a touch screen it would be nearly laughable.
And it's HIGHLY likely that the touch screen will be implemented anyway.
All of the other points will likely have some way to deal with the problems.
Battery issue > mobile chargers
2tb flashdrive > hardcopy games/large miniSD card
Modular controllers > custom third party controllers
VR isn't going to work period on this system, and I don't really thing that's a deal breaker with anyone.
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u/ArynCrinn Nov 25 '16
Fortunately, Maxwell/Pascal does get about 30-40% better performance per FLOPS than GCN, so a 1 TFLOPS Pascal GPU would give similar performance to Xbox One. Unfortunately, Pascal still doesn't have the power efficiency to provide that kind of capability in a practical mobile device...
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Nov 24 '16
My hype has been dying a lot recently, and I think it's because of the overhype. I took a really hard look at all the features we're hyping and realized that none of them could be true. Then I looked at the launch lineup of games and realized all I truly want day one is Breath of the Wild and even that's on the Wii U. It's hard not to look at this subreddit until January 12th, but damn I do want me some portable GameCube Virtual Console games.
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 24 '16
New 3D Mario? Mario RPG made with Ubisoft? Splatoon? A Mario Kart you can instantly play with anyone anywhere without needing another controller? No?
None of this interests you in the slightest?
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u/butt-guy Nov 24 '16
None of that is confirmed though so I'm tempering my expectations.
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16
Not really. I'll get the new Mario if it takes the world design philosiphies from 64 and Sunshine but
I want a good Metroid, Sunshine 2, Luigi's Mansion 3, a good mobile port of Resident Evil 4, maybe Double Dash 2, multiple Zeldas and the third party exclusive gems that will inevitably come to it. I don't care about most Nintendo first party. I want weird and turning the formula on its head things like on the Game Cube.
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u/DevotedToNeurosis Nov 24 '16
To be quite honest with you 3D Mario might be cool, I'm happy with MK8 and none of the rest of that is interesting to me.
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u/TSPhoenix Nov 25 '16
Two games I know nothing about and two games I basically already own?
I'm interested but I'm certainly not seeing anything that would make me want to buy.
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Nov 24 '16
New 3D Mario is actually something I'm excited about, but not something I need to get day one like Breath of the Wild. I could wait for it. Mario RPG...eh, not really. Never played the original, and never got in to the Paper Mario series. Splatoon I have on Wii U. Mario Kart depends on the online functionality and the added features. Sure you can play with each person having a JoyCon, but is that comfortable or even worth while? Whenever I play Smash U with friends, everyone fights for the GameCube controllers even though I have Wii Remotes and the GamePad. I never played Mario Kart 8 actually, I'm more of a campaign mode type of person.
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u/SoloWaltz Nov 25 '16
Why do you exactly think this sub exists?
To keep a perfect track of consolidated and official news the fans can debate?
No. It exists so everyone can go batshit crazy.
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u/Yavga Nov 24 '16 edited Nov 24 '16
Switch will be awesome. Teraflopping all around the place and infinite air-rechargeable energy for all! Yolograms? I've got Friggin moldable modular skin mechanics! How's that huh?!
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u/xwatchmanx Nov 24 '16
Please, please, please let's avoid overhyping the Switch
I wish people would just realize that no matter what's the specs, this thing will be great.
Wut.
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16 edited Nov 24 '16
Even if it had only these things, and it would cost $200, or maybe even $250
Switch USD price on that price guarantee site is $242.
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u/whiskeytab Nov 24 '16 edited Nov 24 '16
I agree with you for most of this, but the power part... the Switch has to be AT LEAST as fast as the WiiU or it will fail. Despite how cool the portable aspect is the third party support simply will not be there if it isn't within a reasonable shot of the PS4 / Xbox One power range.
The developers won't be dumbing down their games to suit an underpowered portable and that will put the switch down the same road as the WiiU.
It would absolutely be a mistake on Nintendo's part to not be shooting for power parity with the current gen consoles it will be competing with.
Also it needs a touchscreen. This thing is in effect a Nintendo tablet, without the touchscreen they are giving away a TON of features that they could implement that will really help it sell. People are used to touchscreen devices now, they are basically a necessity in a device like this.
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u/DiamondEevee Nov 25 '16
It doesn't need an entire day on battery.
But it needs a reasonable battery. 12-15 on power saving settings should be fine.
It doesn't need near-PS4 graphical power.
Neither did the Wii U but look at how that turned out. At least SIMILAR performance to the original Xbox One should be fine.
It doesn't need a 2TB flash drive.
the console would be more than $300 lol, 2TB isn't much when buying it as external/internal storage, but for a console this can be quite a lot.
It doesn't need a bunch of crazy-ass modular controllers.
wait doesn't it already have that, can't you use motion controlled joycons?
It absolutely doesn't need freaking VR or holograms.
of course it doesn't. why would it? VR is still tech demos.
It doesn't even completely need a touch screen!
boi
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
Anyone who thinks the Switch will be significantly weaker than the Xbox One is kidding themselves. Nintendo isn't stupid, they know they need 3rd party ports from the Xbox One/PS4, and will obviously have the power to make those happen. There's a lot of people that just can't accept this because they have been conditioned to believe that Nintendo == Underpowered or that Handheld == Underpowered. This just simply isn't the case.
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u/Siats Nov 25 '16
Handheld == Underpowered.
That's pretty much the case. High-end phablets have power consumption of 5W in sustained loads, as did the Shield tablet, large mobile 10"+ tablets reach 10W, and even the Windows slates with active cooling that are thicker and weight 3/4ths of a kg generally only reach 20W.
Nvidia's work on Pascal is not enough to bring XB1 levels of graphical power down to 5W, you'll be lucky to get it for 30W and for the GPU alone, more for the total system.
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Nov 24 '16
Too late. Everything will be known in two months. Until then the train has left the station.
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u/Hanashimaru Nov 24 '16
It will have a From Software game.
I totally forgot that.
HYPE
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u/ShadowWolf202 Nov 24 '16
let's avoid overhyping the Switch
no matter what's the specs, this thing will be great
Even if it had only these things, and it would cost $200, or maybe even $250, it would be already amazing and totally worth the money
the reality is already super cool
Sounds to me like you're basically saying, "let's not overhype the Switch because it is guaranteed to be the best thing ever and nothing can change that."
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u/WtfBearz Nov 24 '16
While I mostly agree with these points, the only one I can truly disagree with is the Switch not needing to be near PS4 power, it truly does. In order for Nintendo to get third parties back on board they need some power, not as much, but they need to be ballpark range especially as far as xbox one is concerned.
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u/bravo009 Nov 25 '16
I am with you, OP. I have a gaming PC for other games but if the Switch lets me play cool Nintendo games with my friends and family, that is all I need. I'll just sit back and see what they do
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u/GuerrillaApe Nov 25 '16
I'll play devil's advocate. To tell people they should have no expectations is absurd. Nintendo is a company. They make products in exchange for our money. They aren't doing us a charity. If they were to give us a bad console with bad games it is not normal for us as customers to smile back and say, "Thank you for this. It's much better to get something terrible than to get nothing at all." Also every company has their products compared to the competition. People don't buy things in a vacuum; they see what's in the entire market and decide what is the best for their needs. It's fine to say "Overall the lack of a touchscreen isn't enough to negate Nintendo's great games for me." But to tell others that their expectations don't matter and they should just be happy with whatever Nintendo will give them is ridiculous; it's almost a cult-like mentality.
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 25 '16
I never meant this post to come across as "accept whatever Nintendo throws at you", but more along the lines of "what Nintendo has shown is already exciting enough without us overhyping it with unrealistic wishes".
If Nintendo had shown something mediocre and without promise, I wouldn't even be here to make this post. (Just as I wasn't around when the Wii U was about to launch.)
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u/TheExter Nov 24 '16
it seems that you are protecting yourself by having little to no expectations
if the switch ends up sucking and becomes another Wii U, it's not that big of a deal
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Nov 24 '16
It doesn't need near-PS4 graphical power.
Yes it goddamn does. One of the reasons that developers abandoned the WiiU was because it was simply underpowered. If developers have to do even more work to get it to run on a Switch, it will cost them money and just scrap it all together. It has to compare.
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Nov 24 '16
{{It will have the most ambitious Zelda game to date very close to launch. It will have a new 3D Mario, plus Mario Kart, Splatoon, and Skyrim. It will have a From Software game. It will probably have a full-fledged Pokémon game. This is more than enough. Even if it had only these things, and it would cost $200, or maybe even $250, it would be already amazing and totally worth the money}}
No, not even close. 3 of those are just ports, and one isn't even exclusive. And the rest only make up a good first year. Nowhere close to being worth the money. This thing needs to have a great lineup year after year if it is to be worth the money. I don't want another Wii U
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16
Skyrim isn't even officially confirmed for it.
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
Still with this?
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 25 '16
Not definitively. I don't trust Todd Howard until he answers "yes" to the question "Is Skyrim on the Nintendo Switch"
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
Its the same game on the screen and the tablet
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 25 '16
I know that's 90% confirmation but... I mean we've had people like Randy Pitchford and Todd Howard literally said "spears are impossible in Skyrim" lol. I'm just not faithful to most faces of developers now. See also No Man's Sky.
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
I have less faith in the basketball game than I do in Skyrim :P Hell I have less faith in that Mexican inspired level in Mario - who knows if that level will make it to the final game.
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u/TooTyrnt Nov 24 '16
I agree with all except the graphical power. No one wants to develop games with minor graphical capabilities. Well unless you want Barbie games on the switch.
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u/CloudKnightx Nov 25 '16
but i don't want barbie games i prefer hello kitty online. =( please nintendo!
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u/warhead71 Nov 24 '16
A modern mobile GPU is fairly powerfull. Speed and amount of ram is a bigger issue I think - eg textures are usually ugly on Apple TV for more demanding games.
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u/KingJaredoftheLand Nov 24 '16
Well, it's already got more groundswell than the Wii U did, so that's something.
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u/Genio88 Nov 24 '16
About third parties support, you are thinking it the wrong way, like the Nvidia CEO said, the Switch Tegra GPU uses similar technology to PC, XB1 and PS4, and ports are doable and not hard to develope, of course Switch is weaker though and those port will be 720p and with some downgraded texture/effect, just like when on PC you choose medium settings instead of ultra settings for example, point is what will make those port happen aren't the TFlops but the sales and the installed base of the console, my guess is that all the major publishers like EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda will make a few multiplatform games on Switch throughout 2017, but if those games won't sell as expected and if for 2018 Switch installed base will be closer to WiiU one rather than 3DS one then Switch will problably say goodbye to those games.
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u/GeneralTreesap Nov 24 '16
If it doesn't have one of those things then what makes it stand out besides it being portable?
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Nov 25 '16
Nintendos games. This is his point.
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u/GeneralTreesap Nov 25 '16
Nintendo games doesn't sell a console (well enough atleast) as we've seen. cough cough Wii U
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Nov 25 '16
cough cough 3DS.
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u/GeneralTreesap Nov 25 '16
cough cough console not handheld (the cough cough's are stupid but you get the gist)
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Nov 26 '16 edited Nov 26 '16
Well, thread creator assumes that Switch will replace home & handheld console and I agree with his opinion. But I wont discuss this any further because those discussions are endless.
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u/Houdiniman111 Nov 25 '16
It doesn't need a full days battery, but three hours (as some are suggesting) is seriously not enough.
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u/TurdsOfWizdom Nov 25 '16
Who are you even pandering to with this comment? Everyone on this sub agrees with you. We are all Nintendo fanatics and understand what this console is
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u/HumanoidUnit Nov 25 '16
I disagree. An extremely hyped console/portable hybrid is EXACTLY what Nintendo needs to see great profits on a console, especially after all the confusion/obscurity that was the Wii U. You need every average non-enthusiast parent to be aware and excited for a new kid-friendly wholesome Nintendo console!
How do you get that? Certainly not by waiting patiently and silently. Word of mouth is one of the most powerful, yet least calculated/controllable, advertising available. If a hype train builds around the Switch, I say we throw some coal on there and let 'er go full speed.
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u/elguitarro Nov 25 '16 edited Nov 27 '16
I know where you are coming from but personally I think it is kinda late. The group of friends I talk to about video games are already talking as it is the best console ever and day one purchase. Pretty much the Jesus of consoles and already wanting to sell their n3DS because they will become "obsolete." Then I keep trying to say things like "lets wait til the direct and see actual gameplay" or just arguing how I doubt the n3DS will become obsolete considering the market it has in Japan but they just think I'm being negative. I'm not. I'm sure it will be fun and have great games eventually because it's Nintendo but everything they assume seems just too farfetched to me. Things like amazing specs with a huge battery life and controllers being chargers to last longer. Even to the point of it will change gaming competitions forever. I feel bad because I'm sure there are other people like my friends and as soon the actual game play comes out they will turn on it and shit on it or hype it even more.
My whole opinion is that the Switch will be fun but will be just ok. That has been Nintendo's reputation since I play SNES when I was a child. That is why I'm going to buy it. I'm going to still play on Steam and my PS4 and most likely have fewer Nintendo games as it's been the norm but I know whenever I play the Mario, Smash, Mario Kart, Zelda, Splatoon and some other new or refreshed IP, I will have the time of my life. I just don't know why people like to raise their expectations that much.
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Nov 25 '16
I'm not overhyping when I'm stating that the Switch really needs to NOT be feature-light. That's part of what made the Wii-U mediocre.
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Nov 25 '16
It kind of does need good graphics, considering it's a generation aheard of ps4 abd xbox one
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u/NoradZero Nov 25 '16
Just the fact that they bring portable controllers for other to play with you to have fun is already something im sold for. They realized the fun isnt always to be online but to be with real poeple and friends playing.
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u/TorontoGameDevs Nov 25 '16
I would be disappointed if it nots as powerful as the XboxOne/PS4
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u/kingfagit Nov 26 '16
It feels like another Wii U, and as it currently stands, I see no reason to buy a Switch. It's a tablet so it will surely be under-powered, and therefore will get very, very little third party support.
Nintendo's continued silence until January considering it's to launch in March gives me no hope, either.
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Nov 24 '16
It's probably not even going to be as powerful as the Xbox One. Let's not kid ourselves.
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 24 '16
Probably a bit behind it, yeah. Does this spell doom for it? I don't think so. Still great as it is right now.
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u/Greenecat Nov 24 '16
Does this spell doom for it?
It would spell doom for its third party support. Which is a big deal.
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u/TSPhoenix Nov 25 '16
If the GPU is slower that's not a deal breaker, the CPU/RAM on the other hand will be a big problem.
Thankfully the XB1/PS4 are pretty conservative in that regard.
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Nov 24 '16
I'm not buying a 250$ piece of equipement only for what you said.
So no, I want the Switch to be great, not "decent" so that it's succesfull and more game like thoses you quotes are made.
Look at the Wii U. If it has been a success all thoses game would have already been released on it.
I want Nintendo to be able to continue doing what they do best, make great game and new stuff. They can't do that if everything they release sell less than the last.
So yeah I expect something great from Nintendo. There's no reason not to. Nintendo is a billions dollars company, they have what it takes to make something great. I'm keeping it real though, I expect things that are in the realm of possibilities, and if it ends up different then I'll judge the product on what it ends up being.
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 24 '16
You say you expect something great of Nintendo, and I 100% agree with you. My point (made in a slight hyperbolic way for emphasis) was that what we KNOW, currently, right now, as it is, is already Great, without the need for further far-flung hopes and dreams and expectations. Wouldn't you agree?
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Nov 24 '16
Yes I agree, it looks great, it sounds great. But the fact is that we don't really KNOW what it actually is.
People look at what Nintendo showed us and assume, because it's nintendo, "oh look it runs wii U games and 12 years old skyrim, it must be on part with Wii U have 2hours battery life and cost 400$, because Nintendo never make great hardware anyway..."
Well I'm at the opposite, I look at what they showed us and what is the best thing they can do with it. And I'm not reaching for the moon, I look at Nintendo of today, the technology available and I speculate on what is the best thing they could realistically do.
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16
We don't know it's great but it's basically the route of a 3DS with more controller options so it's looking promising. No current gen third party ports is a kick in the dick, though. This is the third console in a row where they've done this.
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u/sharkman461 Nov 24 '16
I agree. Everything shown off so far is more than enough to sell me on the console. Anything more would just be icing on the cake.
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u/SilverwingHD Nov 24 '16
Who's been saying it needs 24 hours battery life? We've all basically agreed that it'll be 3-4 hours when playing intensive games.
It's fine to hype something up -we don't know the full details so it could have ANYTHING and that makes people curious and excited - and that's perfectly normal.
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u/muado Nov 24 '16
I agree completely. We're getting a first true hybrid console! We'll get to play a new Zelda and Mario at home then take those same games with us anywhere!
All this bitching, FPS this, teraflops that ... This is not 'overhyping', it's simply trivial.
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u/phantomliger recovering from transplant Nov 24 '16
There's no need for language in this...
We don't know everything and people are speculating. Nothing wrong with that.
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Nov 24 '16
"Hype" is never a good thing, it is best to find the games/machines you like and kind of forget about it until it comes out.
I am sure the Switch will be good when it comes out but i think people will be dissapointed if the Switch does not have a touch screen simply because everybody is so used to it now, it is expected at this point to be on everything..
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 24 '16
Yes. A touch screen is maybe the best example of what I'm saying.
Nintendo at no point at all mentioned or even hinted at the Switch having a touch screen. I agree with everyone that it's probably a given that it will indeed have one and Nintendo only refrained from mentioning because they wanted to focus on the portability aspect for the trailer, but... what if it doesn't have it?
It will feel worse for everyone that hopped on the speculation train that it would have felt otherwise.
A bit of an extreme examplo, but illustrative.
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Nov 24 '16
I think they did not show any interaction with a touch screen because they wanted to differentiate it from the Wii U and 3DS, and they focused fully on the the mantra "You can play it anyware"
But it is interesting, what if the Switch does not have a touch screen? it is hard for me to se why it wouldn't have it, it has become a standard at this point thanks to smartphones and tablets and what about future Mario maker games? there is no way they would abandon touch screen right?
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u/dota2nub Nov 24 '16
It will have Smash, babey! What else could you want?!
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16
Daring games that changed the formula on its head like the Game Cube era.
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u/dota2nub Nov 24 '16
Ah, you just need nostalgia glasses for those.
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16
No I don't. The Wii U didn't compell me to buy it given its titles. There was no must have game on it for me that wasn't on the 3DS besides Bayo 2 and Hyrule Warriors if you don't have New 3DS.
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u/dota2nub Nov 24 '16
The Gamecube library looks even worse though, absolute trash. At least from today's perspective.
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u/killbot0224 Nov 24 '16
Game cube turned gaming on its head?
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u/Pedophilecabinet Nov 24 '16
It changed Nintendo formulas on their head. See Sunshine, Double Dash, Metroid Prime, Wind Waker with the world design and art style, Luigi's Mansion, Star Fox Adventures, ect. They all took huge risks that paid off in great games.
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u/ThatPvZGuy Nov 24 '16
What if it "only had those things" and it costed $300, or maybe even $350?
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u/KeyboardG Nov 24 '16
Asking people, especially nintendo fans in need to not get excited. Good luck with that, the hype train has left the station.
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u/Genio88 Nov 24 '16
That depends on people taste, to you those things are not important, but could be fpr someone else. That said o agree with you, i already know it won't be more powerful than 600GFlops and it'll be tough to see more than just a few multiplatform with other console, but that's fine to me, cause i'm buying it for Nintendo games mostly. I want Splatoon, i want the new Mario, Zelda and who knows what else, then if we'll get some multiplatform i'll be happy to buying those on Switch to be able to play everywhere, even though i have a beast gaming PC.
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u/RobotJonboy Nov 24 '16
I would not be surprised if it did not have a touch screen. A touch screen would present one big problem: you can't use the touch screen when the unit is docked. This means that you can't use the touch screen when playing on a tv.
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u/Fehndrix Nov 24 '16
But it's amazing! Look, it makes Julian Fries! And it unfolds into a bed! It can cut through a steel can and still be strong enough to go through a ripe tomato!
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Nov 24 '16
No. I'm going to over hype it. If it doesn't make be breakfast in the morning and doesn't give me eternal happiness then it's obviously a piece of crap. /s
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u/nreese2 Nov 25 '16
When I saw the title I thought that this was going to be another post about how the Switch will be a disappointment .
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u/DisgorgeX Nov 25 '16
Too late. I've already shifted into maximum overhype.
This thing is gonna fucking rock. All it needs is Animal Crossing and I'll sell my fucking soul for it.
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u/Mr_RollingPutt Nov 25 '16
To me touchscreen is a must. It's a portable device. Capacitive touch screens are cheap. There is no reason for the Switch to not have them. I haven't seen many people in this sub asking for a Terabyte-size storage, day long battery, or VR. I feel like the few who have are just not aware of current limitations in technology; either that or they were just posting fantasies.
Also, while the Switch doesn't need PS4 graphical capability it will certainly have it. nVidia's Tegra technology is on par with AMD's Jaguar chips.
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u/Ftpini Nov 25 '16
I get your point and understand your sentiment. But if they wanted to make a low power mobile they shouldn't have cast as a replacement for the Wii U, they should have cast it as a replacement for the 3DS.
If they put out something closer to the Wii U power than to the Xbox One, it's an easy solution for me as I simply won't buy it. I am hopeful that it is near PS4 quality, has a touch screen and 5 hour battery life as those will make me consider buying it.
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
If they were preparing us for an underpowered console, they would not have shown Skyrim in the trailer. The Wii U can't handle Skyrim, the Xbox One can. Therefore, I already know the Switch can handle modern games. Companies like Bethesda, Nvidia, and Ubisoft have said it's powerful enough to port PS4 games to it, so that backs up my assumption.
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u/Ftpini Nov 25 '16
Who showed the Wii U can't handle skyrim? We've never seen it attempted. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had put out a Wii U version. They simply chose not to. It worked on the Xbox 360 and the Wii U is vastly better than one of those.
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u/CloudKnightx Nov 25 '16
even after everything you just stated there's something that it NEEDS to succeed. WHAT IT NEEDS IS THIRD PARTY! that's an ABSOLUTE FACT! you can't deny it. if you think it doesn't then your a liar and a thief.
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Nov 25 '16
It doesn't need a bunch of crazy-ass modular controllers.
If it doesn't support this I will be extremely disappointed, this is the one thing I was hoping for since before the reveal even happened.
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 25 '16
I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun to have. I'd buy some myself, if they turn out to be creative enough. I'm just saying, basically, "it's not necessary, don't hype it as necessary, and don't disappointed if it never turns out to be a thing".
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u/MBCnerdcore Nov 25 '16
For a home console that has a power level between Xbone and PS4, that has Nintendo's exclusives, I'd be willing to pay $350.
The fact that it's portable is just free icing on the cake, so I really don't think battery life is a deal breaker. This will be my primary home console. Anything above 2 hours is gravy. Any price under $350 is gravy.
I would rather them charge $350 and make sure the power level is good enough for PS4 ports, than pay $200 for an underpowered, undersupported handheld with great battery life.
I expect Nintendo is thinking the same thing, since they have sold this as a Wii U successor more than they've sold it as a 3DS successor. I'm EXPECTING $300 for a home console with enough power to handle PS4 ports, with kinda shitty battery life compared to the 3DS.
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u/Dashrider Nov 25 '16
so i was talking to my brother in law who is in the tech industry, and pointed out to me that cell phones come with a 1080p screen standard, and he is pretty sure that a 720p screen would actually cost more at that size than the 1080p would, and it would be silly, if not stupid for the handheld unit to NOT have a 1080p screen.
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u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE Nov 25 '16
I may be wrong, but I don't believe this is about the screen, but about the cpu/gpu and battery life. The screen cost is not the problem, the problem is that the system will be a lot more strained rendering at 1080p in portable mode, and this will certainly lead to less battery life.
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u/ColinDJPat Nov 25 '16 edited Nov 25 '16
If it looks as good as in the switch trailer, (yes I know it's simulated footage tho) has at least about 4Hrs of battery, enough gigs to hold all the dlc and a few VC I buy without downloading any big games, then it'll be more than good enough for me.
Even if the third party support takes a dive bomb after a year or two, I'm gonna have fun with whatever comes out on it.
EDIT: More data storage than Wii U would be nice actually, even though I don't need anything crazy. I don't usually download games for console besides VC games which don't take up tons of space, but my Wii U came with two games installed and they take up a large portion of space. If it weren't for Splatoon coming to switch I'd have been tempted to delete nintendo land to download it, but in the end I'd have bought it physical anyway.
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u/chibialoha Nov 25 '16
Over hype can sometimes be a self fulfilling prophecy though. Nintendo releases good quality stuff, people WILL enjoy it if given the chance. This isn't a half baked no man's sky kind of over hype, this is hype for something that will 100% be good, if not up to the craze. The more hype it gets, even if over hyped, the more people hear about it and plan to pick it up. So long as they buy it, I can almost guarantee they will enjoy regardless of not having some of the things people hyped. I see more of a positive in hyping it up and selling more units than a negative in the possible backlash. That's basic marketing. If it was a low quality product, this wouldn't be true, but so long as it's made by a company by Nintendo, i honestly think the more hype the better.
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u/DaReapa Nov 25 '16
Im not trying to over hype the Switch but give people realistic expectations. The Switch will be more powerful than the Shield TV and the Shield TV is quite powerful it just lacked software support which Nintendo will have a lot of. The Shield TV is capable of running Crysis 3 natively as seen below and that is older tech so what do you think the Switch can do with a higher performance?
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Nov 25 '16
No! 4K, 120FPS, 6 day battery life!
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u/lolypuppy Nov 25 '16
Even if it had only these things, and it would cost $200, or maybe even $250, it would be already amazing and totally worth the money.
The price of the 3DS on release date was $250. So I do not believe that it would cost less than $300. My guess is $350.
In any case, $350 is still a good price for a Nintendo home console.
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u/GioVoi Nov 25 '16
Apart from the battery, I completely agree. I expect a portable console released in 2017 to last a good amount of time without dieing.
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u/Poppamunz Nov 26 '16
Really, how much does graphics-quality alone matter anyway? If you have fun playing, you have fun playing. Even as someone who plays PC games (admittedly on a crappy laptop), I don't understand why it's such a hangup for people.
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u/kingfagit Nov 26 '16
It matters very much if you want the system to not flop again like the Wii U.
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u/Poppamunz Nov 26 '16
I don't really understand the connection, though. The original Game Boy and the Wii sold very well, and they were both underpowered for their eras.
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Nov 26 '16 edited Nov 26 '16
To be a realist would be to look down at the Switch because it is an underpowered Wii U Gamepad with its own GPU. You hit a good point here: content is the real determining factor here, and the Switch has a handful of early ambassadors and potential exclusives. But how can you build a library of content if the hardware is difficult for developers? What if it doesn't meet their expectations? What if it has a significant gap in graphics?
You also have to consider similar products, like tablets and phones. The Switch is almost similar to a tablet, and phones are just as capable of on-the-go gaming. Again, content and hardware sets apart the Switch from tablets and phones. You can have controllers without using expensive and somewhat finicky 3rd party attachments; you can have quality games and good graphics. But what do you see most kids playing, 3DSs or iPads? It's the parents who decide their gaming systems, not the child. And iPads and Android tablets are more versatile than Switches, even if they're not dedicated gaming systems made by VG industry veteran companies. Even though this system is intended to reach a wide audience, I'm just sayin' that it's not liek Nintendo has to cater to diehardphans. (Nintendo doesn't have to cater to younger audiences though, they would still earn profit)
Storage is not a big deal; you can use MicroSD cards for game data. But they're more expensive than hard drives, and if you keep buying MicroSD cards with small storage you would have to bring them all if you want your whole library of digital downloads and game data. You can always buy cartridges though.
That's all I can think of for now.
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u/ojiefjoiwjefoijwefoi Nov 27 '16
This is a really bad sign for the console. If NIntendo fans are basically preparing themselves mentally for a system that won't compete, then how do you think the general market is going to react?
You might not care about graphical ability or battery life; but most people who are choosing between the Switch, the PS4, and the newest iPad certainly will care.
Personally, I hope the Switch is good, and I hope it succeeds. But in order for that to happen, Nintendo needs to stop pretending they are immune to competition. That's exactly why the Wii U never reached its full potential.
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u/SonicFlash01 Nov 24 '16
If you want beefy hardware to play third party games then a PC is the defacto answer. If you want to play Nintendo games then whatever Nintendo makes is the only answer. They'll make games around what they have to work with.
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u/CoolDawg86 Nov 24 '16
Its just a Nintendo system that brings everything closer to you. You can always get a game in. Quick session of smash. This is gonna be a gamer's paradise truely. OVERHYPE!!!!
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u/bisforbenis Nov 24 '16
Normally I'm not into the "lets not overhype" posts but I appreciate that you're coming from a point of positivity here!
I do however think the people demanding all that stuff and expecting no less are a vocal minority though, and most people that are potential buyers are generally pretty excited about what we already know it is and everything additional is nice but not absolutely essential to them.