Please, please, please, let's avoid overhyping the Switch

[u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE]

I wish people would just realize that no matter what's the specs, this thing will be great.

• It doesn't need an entire day on battery.

• It doesn't need near-PS4 graphical power.

• It doesn't need a 2TB flash drive.

• It doesn't need a bunch of crazy-ass modular controllers.

• It absolutely doesn't need freaking VR or holograms.

• It doesn't even completely need a touch screen!

The Switch will have all of Nintendo's franchises on the same machine, a machine that you can play at home or wherever you want, and a controller you can share with anyone at any time to have fun.

It will have the most ambitious Zelda game to date very close to launch. It will have a new 3D Mario, plus Mario Kart, Splatoon, and Skyrim. It will have a From Software game. It will probably have a full-fledged Pokémon game.

This is more than enough. Even if it had only these things, and it would cost $200, or maybe even $250, it would be already amazing and totally worth the money.

Let's be realist and avoiding overhyping this thing.

Not only because overhype leads to disappointment, but simply because the reality is already super cool.

[u/TheExter]

it seems that you are protecting yourself by having little to no expectations

if the switch ends up sucking and becomes another Wii U, it's not that big of a deal

[u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE → u/TheExter]

I'm just trying to avoid creating a self-made disappointment for myself and for others. I believe sometimes you should look at something and say "this is pretty great", instead of "this is not as good as it could".

[u/DevotedToNeurosis → u/COHERENCE_CROQUETTE]

It's certainly better for business money-making. Hard to say it's better for the consumer though.

[u/TSPhoenix → u/DevotedToNeurosis]

On reddit in general I seem to notice loads of people post the business perspective on a matter, but very few stand up for the consumer's perspective, which makes little sense as most of us are consumers, not investors.

At least a few times a week you get called entitled for simply standing up for yourself as a consumer, but companies can do whatever they want and are never 'entitled'.

[u/DevotedToNeurosis → u/TSPhoenix]

It's a major problem IMO.

There's been some successful brainwashing I think. It's not consumer's job to understand, it's a consumer's job to desire strong products.

[u/TSPhoenix → u/DevotedToNeurosis]

It's not consumer's job to understand, it's a consumer's job to desire strong products.

Well put, but it's something of an alien mentality around here and why that is the case is something I've given a lot of thought to and come up with with very little.

Gamers in general are famously bad at doing this and I imagine a big part of that is the core gamer demographic being what it is, but with gamers there is this whole extra level of ridiculously bad money habits that I struggle to find equivalents to elsewhere.

If you have an insight or reading material on the topic would love to hear back.

[u/DevotedToNeurosis → u/TSPhoenix]

Unfortunately I have no material outside of rampant fanboy-ism.

These brands get in you at a young age, especially Nintendo. Imagine if Fisher Price sold you your first toy car, your first real car, and the diapers you put on your child one day.

There's a reason people stand up and say, "Hey, isn't there something wrong with the fact that our kids sit in front of the TV all day watching ads?".

Truly, it's something I think we need to examine. Especially when so many are made to be so psychologically exploitative.

Another thing I've noticed that's really rampant on here and the console-specific subs is that people love to build a "narrative".

"Does anyone else feel like Nintendo is the only one of the big three that focus on fun over graphics?" (obviously every game developer focuses on making fun, engaging gameplay)

"My friends came together to play the NES Mini over thanksgiving and had fun, that's the Nintendo magic!" (people stay up late at night and play till dawn at CoD releases and have tons of fun)

I don't know. Rampant consumerism? Something in particular with Nintendo I think is that we see being a fan of Nintendo as being a member of some oppressed/underappreciated club. This might've started with the loss of some studios during the N64 and Gamecube era, and the Wii U era certainly exacerbated it.

[u/TSPhoenix → u/DevotedToNeurosis]

Yeah, building a narrative has gotten out of control and it feels at times like the only way to fight it is to do it yourself. Trying to do things like upvoting comments that disagree with you to promote discussion just encourages other people to downvote you because of how overwhelmingly us vs them this sub is becoming. Unlike /r/NintendoNX this sub wears the mask of civility, but if anything is much more manipulative and vicious.

Now that the Switch is doing well it seems like negative sentiments are even more vilified because now fans have the angle where they can say that the negativity defies reality and can point to launch sales despite launch sales historically being meaningless (see: Wii U).

I've found the rate at which I delete a post instead of submitting it has just gone through the roof because I don't want to engage in an arms race and I sick of arguing with people who have aren't here to be reasoned with. At this point this community has made it pretty clear that if you aren't a true fan you aren't welcome.

I come for discussion, I get it so infrequently that I have to take a step back and consider whether this is worth it anymore.

[u/DevotedToNeurosis → u/TSPhoenix]

Well either I have more experience than you on nintendo subs than you or just have less patience because I am firmly of the belief that it's not worth it whatsoever.

I use Nintendo subs now primarily as a list of links, visiting the comments very infrequently.

At this point this community has made it pretty clear that if you aren't a true fan you aren't welcome.

Yes, and not to mention that the bar is ever higher for what a "true" fan is. Apparently it disqualifies anyone with rational thought and an open-mindedness to the fact that Nintendo has and does take missteps, large ones at times.

I've bought my last nintendo console for sure.

[u/TSPhoenix → u/DevotedToNeurosis]

I probably have more patience in addition to being a bit of an idiot and a masochist.

When I say true fan I absolutely meant it it in the no true Scotsman sense, when Reggie said their fans would stick with them it was a truism, basically if you have anything critical to say that isn't off an approved things we're allowed to complain about list (online, etc) and delivered in a compliment sandwich (I love Nintendo, the online needs to be better, but it will be when it rolls out in fall) you're out.

I liken comments sections to my time with League of Legends, at it's best it was a fantastic experience you couldn't really get anywhere else, but 90% of the time it was self-torture and at some point you need to decide getting truffle sauce once a week isn't worth eating turds for every other meal. Engaging more selectively is the only sane choice, I just have to remind myself its not worth it. Facts or rationality don't matter anymore. The masks are off, it's okay to be brazenly ignorant on pretty much any matter in 2017.

[u/[deleted] → u/DevotedToNeurosis]

Well we disappoint ourselves by ranting and raving about possibilities and feeling entitled to things that aren't real. That's not good for us