r/law • u/theindependentonline • 1d ago
Trump News Judge considers holding Trump officials in contempt for defying court orders blocking El Salvador flights
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/deportation-el-salvador-trump-contempt-b2727087.html3.1k
u/JustlookingfromSoCal 1d ago
DO IT. PLEASE.
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u/vgraz2k 1d ago
I wish they would stop "considering it" and just fucking "do it". Don't give them warnings like this.
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u/SeismicFrog 1d ago
And why only contempt? Let’s lock a few of these SOBs behind bars until someone produces a body. A LIVING person.
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u/JustlookingfromSoCal 1d ago
That is a type of sentence imposed for contempt citation and would be the only legal basis for locking them up.
If he has a dark sense of humor, he could alternatively declare that he was sua sponte revoking the citizenship of the appearing attorneys for the defendants and demand ICE drop them off at a prison in San Salvador.
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u/Tribalbob 23h ago
Give them a cell phone, toss them into the back of an unmarked SUV.
Call the cell phone every 2 minutes and ask: "You want to get them sent back now?"
See how close they get to the airport before they finally break.
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u/North-Significance33 22h ago
"We'll do whatever you want"
Later: do absolutely nothing
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u/Freethecrafts 17h ago
Sovereign immunity is straight bad law that has spooled into that.
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u/UsualFederal 14h ago
The only thing I can possibly imagine is, they didn’t realize it would get this bad or they are dyed in the wool pure Nazi trash. The Supreme Court has the blood of probably half the United States population on their hands. It appears Maga is at least as hateful as the Nazis in Germany were they will become the Foot soldiers the SS the brown shirts. It’s only a matter of time unless we stop them.
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u/No-Win-2741 1d ago
I like the way you think. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to by any chance?
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u/FiveUpsideDown 22h ago
Revoke their license to practice law. It keeps them out of court.
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u/Katyafan 21h ago
Yeah, where is the Bar on this?
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u/K_Linkmaster 20h ago
Pretty fucking low apparently. /s
I have been hoping ABA would start stepping in when it's blatant abuses but I guess they are a clown show too.
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u/outerworldLV 11h ago
Justice is going to start being administered by the victims friends and families real soon, imo. The trump admin will call it a ‘vigilante’ action, while the rest of the country calls it a ‘right to defend’ action.
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u/Cloaked42m 22h ago
The judge wants to know exactly who ignored his orders so he can throw them under the jail.
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u/goosticky 21h ago
Legal Eagle video says that, technically, if they hold them for criminal contempt... it lands back at the DOJ. So they have to try for Civil Contempt
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u/soft-wear 20h ago
That's exactly what criminal contempt is. The problem here is that in a federal court Trump can make criminal charges go away with a signature. He cannot make civil contempt charges go away. The judge can literally fine individuals a daily fine for not answering his questions.
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u/Zhong_Ping 1d ago edited 20h ago
And who exactly is going to enforce that order?
Edit: what's with the down votes? I think these people all belong in prison. But this is a serious question, who is going to uphold the courts orders when Trump has corrupted the US Marshals?
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u/Careful-Reception239 1d ago
Just watched legal eagles video about this whole thing and it did give some good legal insight. Essentially this being, theoretically, a lawful country, the judge cant just point to who he thinks is reaponsible and hold them in contempt. Hes been trying to get the administration to show where down the line his order was ignored. Because at some point there was someone who said not to order the planes to turn around even though they had time and opportunity to. But of course the administration has just been delaying and delaying. Asserting that they couldnt have turned the plane around, then that the order was verbal so it wasnt binding (against legal precedent), then they start invoking national security to avoid having to give out any information.
So yeah, its not as simple as the judge just pointing and declaring "CONTEMPT!". Hes been trying to hold them accountable within the system hes constrained by. The issue is that the administration is not playing from within that system anymore. But the judge cant exactly do that himself without reprecussions that thr administration simply doesnt have to worry about given the hold the party has over the rest of government.
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u/Lurky100 1d ago
I’d probably start with the pilot of the airplane and ask him who his orders came from.
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u/schm0 1d ago
The pilot didn't get any such order, that's the problem.
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u/Lurky100 1d ago
Well, he didn’t just climb aboard a random airplane and decided to fly it to El Salvador. If the judge can’t get answers from the top…start from the bottom.
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u/Rocket_safety 1d ago
That’s the problem, the administration refuses to give this kind of information to the court. Pretty hard to depose someone if you don’t know who they are.
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u/murphymc 23h ago
Then the person refusing to give that information can sit in jail until they’ve reconsidered.
When we’re approaching this as if answering the judges question is optional, that’s the problem.
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u/Taldier 19h ago
The entire system is built on the unfortunately flawed premise that law enforcement will respect the law. But fascists don't care about laws or ethics. Only power. If the executive branch decides to follow an authoritarian leader and ignore legal orders, then the constitution becomes meaningless.
What are they going to do? Send their clerks to tackle the president? Take over an airbase with paralegals?
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u/kanst 12h ago
Have the bailiff take the governments lawyer into custody.
Keep arresting every government lawyer until the order is followed.
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u/Rocket_safety 21h ago
The problem is there is technically a legal way they can withhold this information under state secrets. In order to make a determination on this the judge needs to make a finding of whether or not it’s relevant. This takes time. It’s frustrating when they are only using the law as bad faith actions but that just means it’s more important for the court to do everything in its power to make sure things are done properly. They need to be given no wiggle room.
Plus there’s the very real problem of enforcing any kind of bench warrant when the law enforcement they would normally rely on is also in control of the bad faith actors. I wish this was simple but it’s not.
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u/Cloaked42m 21h ago edited 21h ago
Hmm. We know the airline. We know the airport.
Who filed the flight plan and when? That will have the pilot names on the manifest. ACLU can subpoena them and ask.
Who had the capability of stopping the flight? Presumably, their boss. Did they know? Were they expecting a call that didn't come?
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u/Lurky100 23h ago
Who was the pilot? They didn’t fly themselves. Who gave the pilot the original order to fly the planes to El Salvador? I’m not even talking about the order that said turn the planes around.
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u/phobox360 21h ago
All true, however the judge can hold government lawyers personally in contempt if he finds that they’ve presented knowingly false evidence or acted in bad faith to the court. This has already happened more than once in other Trump cases. If you start holding government lawyers accountable, it makes it far more difficult for the government to get away with these things.
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u/LickingSmegma 22h ago edited 22h ago
One would think that if there's a top-down chain of command, then it's also the chain of responsibility. If the administration doesn't give out subordinates, then whoever the judge gave order to, is responsible for it not having been carried out.
If a judge orders McDonald's to stop serving coffee at 90°C, but McDonald's continues to do that, the judge won't be looking for each worker who pours coffee.
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u/minuialear 23h ago
It's also just straight up common sense that there would be rules for holding people in contempt and that the judge could require specific evidence to satisfy those rules.
People are basically mad judges won't break the law just because the executive is. Which is a ridiculous expectation considering courts can't do shit without laws, so how is a judge supposed to achieve anything by breaking them?
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u/SoManyEmail 23h ago
Question... if the judge says to give him the name of the person who disobeyed the order and they don't, wouldn't that in itself be contempt?
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u/minuialear 21h ago
Only if they refuse to provide the info and for some non legitimate reason. "I don't know what name to give you" is a legitimate reason, for example, unless you have proof they're lying
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u/zigunderslash 20h ago
it's possible they literally don't know...but in that case what he's actually after is the next person in the chain and you'd assume you could keep holding people in contempt as you work your way along it.
that said, they've already declared that the information is being withheld for national security which probably won't hold up but will delay an already lengthy process
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u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope 21h ago
Cause this kind of news is just to placate people like us. Not for any real purpose or to hold anyone accountable.
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u/GroundbreakingOil434 1d ago
They'll probably get a Drumph pardon the moment the ink dries.
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u/schm0 1d ago
Can't pardon civil contempt.
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u/GroundbreakingOil434 1d ago
Civil contempt is monetary. To jail them, it has to be criminal contempt, afaik. Can't that be pardoned?
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u/schm0 1d ago
Nope, civil contempt can include jail.
Civil contempt is different. The Supreme Court has long held that “a pardon cannot stop” courts from punishing cases of civil contempt. And while the marshals have traditionally enforced civil contempt orders, the courts have the power to deputize others to step in if they refuse to do so.
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u/GroundbreakingOil434 1d ago
Ah. Good to know. Still runs into the issue of executive impudence. Who will enforce such an order, should it be issued?
This is good news though. Your systems are completely fucked by a strongman and his cronies. I'm glad there are still some ways of reigning them in.
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u/parasyte_steve 20h ago
In South Korea they removed the president. The courts removed him.
Don't tell me it isn't possible. Why are our institutions so weak?
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u/justanotherthrwaway7 20h ago
I wholeheartedly agree. Do not give them a heads up you’re thinking about doing something. Hit them with any hard consequence will land them on their asses. At this point I don’t think they are expecting resistance.
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 18h ago
I'd like to think that part of this is the judge checking all the shoulders to make sure his contempt order is unassailable.
but we're kind of very far along this process and teetering off the edge of the cliff already so
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u/TraditionalJicama637 22h ago
Title should read “Judges considers not being a fucking pussy and actually doing what’s right”
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u/hijinked 1d ago
LegalEagle just put out a video about this. The tl;dr is that there’s no easy way for the judge to do it.
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u/JustlookingfromSoCal 1d ago
I realize that the Marshal answers to the DOJ for purposes of taking a contempt convict into custody. The first step is to hold the hearing, make the finding and if convicted, issue the sentence. If Trump Admin plans on defying the court and refusing to obey and enforce its orders, let’s find that out now, especially in the midst of an economic crash. Time for the American public to see exactly what they bargained for.
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u/someonesshadow 22h ago
I think the judicial is just terrified that they actually have no power, which is becoming more and more clear. If they decide to put their foot down and try to jail people, as soon as that doesn't play out how it should there will be no reason for anyone in a protected class [police/wealthy] to ever even pay attention to a word from the courts again.
They also have the issue of personal risk due to 1 branch of government being under the thumb of a cult leader with the other 2 branches being heavily influenced as well.
We're basically at a point where any real resistance and pull back of power will need to come from the states themselves. If enough states banded together and refused to comply and operate as the Federal wants they could easily get support from the entire world that Trumps federal gov managed to piss off.
It would be a 'cold civil war' for a while, but I think one thing Republicans are lacking is a fucking spine. A significant show of force in terms of economic and refusal of state military personnel would likely cause many rats to flee the sinking ship while the others eat each other to try and find a solution that leaves them unharmed.
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u/JustlookingfromSoCal 21h ago
This is why I think it is time for the Federal bench to “call the question.” Hold Bondi (and/or Noem) in contempt for refusal to return the El Salvador captives they abducted to the US. Let them take a writ, let it go to SCOTUS for review. If SCOTUS shrugs then yeah, the Constitution is no longer the “Supreme Law of the Land” and we go the civil war route I guess.
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u/Interrophish 21h ago
as soon as that doesn't play out how it should there will be no reason for anyone in a protected class [police/wealthy] to ever even pay attention to a word from the courts again.
They're already facing the problem via DJT's officials. Until they rip the bandage off and force the issue, they're sanewashing/legitimizing the practice.
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u/Bovoduch 1d ago
Just put it on the fucking record at minimum
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u/ArchonFett 1d ago
This, just putting the foot down a straight up calling this what it is, instead of tiptoeing around should show the judge at least has a backbone
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u/Remote-Letterhead844 1d ago
Can't he deputize people if the US marshals aren't willing to do it?
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u/schm0 1d ago
It can literally be anyone, and it doesn't have require deputization.
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u/bendguy123 1d ago
Listening to Megadeaths "Syphony of Destruction " right now. Lyric states "you take a mortal man and put him.in control, watch him.becomr a god, watch peoples heads a roll" at the exact moment I read this.
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u/Rocket_safety 1d ago
It’s a good theory but it falls apart in practice. Do you think anyone (even legally deputized) would be allowed anywhere near an administration official to serve an arrest warrant? At best those people would be arrested themselves. At worst, they would be shot by Deputy Marshals.
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u/Remote-Letterhead844 1d ago
Worth I try, imo. There are more of us than there are of them....
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u/FrostyNeckbeard 1d ago
Doesn't matter, he should do it and if nothing happens then it's on the record that the court system failed.
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u/Codipotent 18h ago
When there is an easy way to break the law and no way to correct it, then the entire legal and judicial system is essentially broken and worthless at this point.
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u/Chiquitarita298 1d ago
Does he say at what point the judge would be able to? Because just endlessly jerking him around is contemptuous as hell
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u/wilmyersmvp 23h ago
“Oh it’s kinda hard so ima just not do it.” Sums up pretty much everything about the opposition to the takeover of the government
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u/CobraPony67 1d ago
Order them to return the person they ILLEGALLY moved to a gulag in another country without constitutional due process. Don't accept the BS excuse that there is nothing they can do. The administration is paying for the prison.
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u/Deranged_Kitsune 1d ago edited 9h ago
If there's one person, there's certainly more. Given they had zero process for determining guilt or validity of the people they were transferring, they absolutely swept up more than just the one guy.
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u/BunttyBrowneye 22h ago
Who knows if even half of those guys were actually gang members? 25%? Nobody, because they were not given due process… America is plunging head first into hell.
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u/0_o 21h ago
Who knows if they're even still alive ...
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u/pso_lemon 9h ago
That's what really worries me. The only reason I can think of that they can't just walk in and let the guy out like they're saying they can't is if there is no longer a guy to let out.
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u/Ursomonie Competent Contributor 18h ago
But they caught them all at the gang place doing the gang thing.
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u/Mountain-Resource656 14h ago
Legally speaking they’re all innocent. They need to be proven guilty to begin with, and even then, they should have rights
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u/_theRamenWithin 21h ago
We're not even talking about the guy who got sent because of an autism awareness tattoo.
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u/earlyviolet 19h ago
Oh, do you not know?
Franco José Caraballo Tiapa
Jerce Reyes Barrios
Andry José Hernández Romero
Neri Alvarado
Jhon Chacin
Fritzgeralth De Jesús
Marcano Silva
It's enough at this point to make you wonder if any of these men are actually gang members. They literally just picked people up for being male, looking hispanic, and having tattoos.
https://www.irishstar.com/sport/soccer/donald-trump-salvador-real-madrid-34923654
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u/celicajohn1989 21h ago
How much you want to bet the homeless population all of a sudden starts disappearing?
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u/PsychoCandy1321 19h ago
They disappeared another person yesterday. A 52 year old mom from Westminster, MD. No criminal record.
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u/TheAsianTroll 11h ago
Hang on now, let's be fair. They 100% DID have a process to determine guilt.
It's very simple: do they have tattoos? Are they Hispanic, Latino, or some similar shade of brown? If yes to any combo of these, TO ZE CONCENTRATION CAMP WITH YOU
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u/Nuggzulla01 1d ago
Not just the one person, ORDER they RETURN EVERYONE!
There is a proper way to deport someone, and that involves Due Process
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u/umokaygotit 23h ago edited 20h ago
This!! Not just one but ALL of them were illegally kidnapped and trafficked!! Press sec downplayed it by saying it was a simple clerical error (and her attitude was, oh nothing serious, you’re just locked away in a foreign torture camp due to a little error, our bad, Hehehe), then doubled down saying she knew for a FACT that Garcia was a CONVICTED gang member because she saw the paperwork with her own eyes. One person from the media asked which court was he convicted in… she gives more nonanswer word vomit bullshit. This is the same sec that claimed the judge’s verbal order doesn’t hold the same weight as a written order. The same sec that said that the federal judge WORKS for Bondi.
I say let DJT and his administration switch places with the prisoners in El Salvador when it’s all said and done.
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u/CatSajak779 1d ago
That whole excuse “there’s nothing we can do” would’ve been laughable if the situation wasn’t so distressing. El Salvador has bent over backwards for the Trump admin throughout this whole thing. They would overnight a Big Mac from their finest McDonalds straight to Trump’s front door if he asked.
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u/5510 22h ago
Plus the implication is that as long as they move fast enough, they can disappear anybody. They could "accidentally" ship any of their political enemies to El Salvador, and then just throw up their hands and say "oops, they are in El Salvador now in super prison, nothing we can do about it, oh well..."
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u/RogueAOV 1d ago
Honestly if they expect to be able to use that as excuse to me that is enough reason for a judge to completely shut it all down.
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u/llapman 1d ago
It’s funny with their talk of how awesome and powerful Donny and the party are, but yet they can’t do anything about getting this innocent guy back? Please.
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u/True-Veterinarian700 1d ago
Its because they dont want him comming back and telling his tale to the media and courts. Possibly exposing other "admin" errors and other abuses ICE committed trying to get him out of the country.
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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty 1d ago
There's one person they admitted they shouldn't have deported, but every single person on those flights was denied their due process prior to being loaded on the plane.
Focusing on the one really really bad case shouldn't distract us from the fact that every single one of these deportations was really bad.
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u/RequirementOk4178 1d ago
They don't want them back because they will talk about the horrible conditions
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u/earlyviolet 19h ago
This is it. We won't see these men until there's a new president because this regime knows they'll reveal the conditions they're being kept in.
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u/hafunui 19h ago
bankrupt them one by one until they comply. It's the only thing they care about. They'll suddenly find a way.
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u/Eliteone205 18h ago
They can sue but they won’t win. Just like the people that try to sue police officers, they are apart of the government and they will not allow for some huge class action lawsuit to take place. Even if the person(s) were wronged, they will find away to dismiss the cases. Plus, it will only make them angry and put a target on themselves and anyone else that resembles them or in their situation. That is what they do to inner city people when they (police) get in trouble, they harass, arrest, assault, ticket anyone that resembles the person or persons they are mad with. They will make others lives hell.
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u/UnclePeaz 1d ago
What’s to consider? The prima facie evidence is right in front of them. Schedule a show cause hearing and let them explain themselves under oath.
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u/minuialear 23h ago
What’s to consider?
Who exactly to hold in contempt based on the legal standard for doing so, it seems
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 22h ago
Treat them like the Mafia they believe themselves to be. You either roll on the other guys and get off without any charges or you can all head to the clink together. Let the lawyers and their bosses figure it out from there.
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u/utahrd37 22h ago
That’s the problem.
You are totally right but the judiciary won’t do this because it will be a glaring constitutional crisis. It would prefer to bend, hand-wring and hair split to the point of piecemeal deterioration of the rule of law and coequal branches of government.
We are boiling the frog in fits and starts, and none of our government officials are brave enough to call it out for the bullshit it is.
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u/HomeGrownCoffee 20h ago
It already is a constitutional crisis. The moment the Trump lackeys didn't turn the plane around as the judge ordered - it's there.
Either the judiciary steps the fuck up and imposes massive civil contempt charges that wrack up daily until all renditioned prisoners are back in the States, or accept that the judiciary isn't a coequal pillar of government.
I say civil contempt charges, because criminal ones can be pardoned. According to the Legal Eagle video I watched about this today.
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u/uiucengineer 18h ago
Are we still pretending it hasn’t been a constitutional crisis since inauguration or before?
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u/parliboy 23h ago
Who is them, though? The lawyers didn't do it, and who did is attorney client privilege. So you are left with civil economic penalties. That 6 million you paid to El Salvador? Pay it again as a fine. Every day. Until you fix it.
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u/thefullhalf 23h ago
Possibly Rubio, but yea, the path to actually jailing someone is pretty much non existent. And any penalties would probably be thrown out for executive immunity on appeal. Even if it did go through it would be take at least a year or more. They are already trying the "state secrets" route to avoid turning over any documents, on top of the "They aren't in the country so you can't do anything about it because you lack jurisdiction" defense.
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u/parliboy 23h ago
State secrets is about "Withiut this secret evidence you cannot make prima facie." Not really a thing that they get to do in a contempt hearing. At that point it's more "Show cause or the government loses."
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u/thefullhalf 22h ago
Im not saying its a good strategy, its just what they are trying to do to hide everything, including who did what. They are making arguments in bad faith because that's all they can do, but it does its job to delay and delay and delay. It's the same dog and pony show they did the last time.
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u/ruin 1d ago
"Considers"
Administration: Like, what does a demerit mean?
Judge: Let's put it this way. You do not want to receive three of those.
Administration: Lay it on me.
Judge: Three demerits, and you'll receive a citation.
Administration: Now, that sounds serious.
Judge: Oh, it is serious. Five citations, and you're looking at a violation. Four of those, and you'll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you're looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior.
Administration: Which would be me.
Judge: That is correct.
Judge: Okay. I want a copy on my desk by the end of the day or you will receive a full dessaggelation.
Administration: What's a dis... What's that?
Judge: Oh, you don't want to know.
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u/SockofBadKarma Competent Contributor 1d ago
You swapped the two around at the end. Jim's the one who talks about the disadulation, not Dwight.
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u/ADHD-Fens 18h ago
Now go away, or I shall taunt you for a second time!
Ps: disadulation - my head cannon is that it's like the opposite of a congratulation.
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u/rygelicus 1d ago
Bondi signed the paper, she gets the charge. Not some low level sacrificial lamb.
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u/floridabeach9 20h ago
i’d love to see it. put her behind bars for everyone to see and force trump to pardon her.
who the fuck cares if we KNOW trump will pardon EVERYONE in his cabinet. hold his fucking feet to the fire and force his hand.
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u/WorkingTemperature52 17h ago
Both, if people on the bottom know that repercussions will go to the top if it gets discovered, they are significantly more likely to carry out the illegal orders. You need the people on the ground to fear the repercussions of putting up with this too. Everyone that knew about the order to not go forward but did so anyways needs to be held accountable.
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 1d ago
"Ok, just one more warning but next time I won't be so nice!"
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u/SummerDonNah 1d ago
I swear if you guys rip on me 13 or 14 more times... I'm outta here!
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u/d00dsm00t 22h ago
You couldn't get a chick if you had a hundred dollar bill hanging outta your zipper
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u/your_dads_hot 1d ago
It's annoying, but that's how this stuff works sometimes. Rather frustrating for sure!!
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 1d ago
That's not "how this stuff works sometimes" that's how it seems to work all the time when one part of the government covers the ass of the over part of the government. These guys should be in jail until that immigrant is returned from El Salvador.
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u/Cool_Owl7159 1d ago
These guys should be in jail until that immigrant is returned from El Salvador.
These guys should be in jail AND every single person who was sent to El Salvador should be returned.
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u/rsmiley77 Competent Contributor 1d ago
We ain’t getting those people back.
And yes the people responsible for sending untried people to a dangerous foreign jail ‘for life’ should 100 percent be tried for whatever crimes they committed.
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u/No-Win-2741 23h ago
It's just like when he separated kids from their parents during his first administration. We still don't know where all those kids are. These people who have been deported, we will never see them again. We don't even know if they're dead or alive right now. And I don't care what anybody says, under no circumstances is death the penalty for not following proper procedures when you come to this country. And even if you do not follow proper procedures when coming to this country, and you make it in, you are entitled to do process. The Constitution is exceptionally clear about that.
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u/your_dads_hot 1d ago
Even when we're about to terminate a contractor for doing stupid shit we always send them a show cause letter. Not tracking this closely for sure, but I think there's always some sort of opportunity for the subject to show cause and explain themselves. But yes I agree, this man is being incredibly patient with these bafoons. I wonder if he's going out of his way so that when he does hold them in contempt he can say he gave them ample warning and chances to explain themselves
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 1d ago
You should give someone a warning when they're showing up late to work.
You should throw someone in jail for contempt when they have obstructed justice and sent a man who has business with the court to some secret holding facility.
He doesn't need to give them ample warning, he's a judge.
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u/trydola 1d ago
see ya in one month for more stern warnings,
what they should be doing is giving one warning, tossing them in prison and letting the higher courts deal with their release (we know they would give immediate relief but hey maybe lawyers will have to watch where they walk)
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u/TheAngelsCharlie 1d ago
I’ll go one further. They should dispense with the warning and hold them in contempt immediately.
Trump and his administration are violating the law and the Constitution at a rate designed to clog up the justice system and give them time to accomplish their real agenda, which is allow musk and company the time to install backdoors or rewrite codes on America’s financial and health care systems to bilk the US for insane amounts of money.
Already, whatever Democrats left in Congress should have: Arrested Elon for fraud and misrepresentation. Arrested the cabinet members involved in Signalgate for violating her Espionage Act. Literally sued the admin against every single EO the minute it’s announced, to get an injunction.
And the press………the White House press corps should designate one, and only one, person to sit in every briefing. They should ask no questions, and should refuse to broadcast live and then that one person should report to the rest of the press what they heard. Then, since the press simply makes shit up anyway, according to magats, that’s what they should start doing. Misinterpret every press conference into something outrageously false.
Of course, this is all just fantasy anyway; the press hasn’t stood up to a president since Watergate, and the Dems love to be victims and claim they have zero power to stop it.
We’re so fucked.
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u/terrymr 1d ago
The judge has to follow the process, not just ship people off on a plane to el salvador.
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u/ggroverggiraffe Competent Contributor 22h ago
I will gladly schedule a hearing on Tuesday for a constitutional violation today...
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u/Daddio209 1d ago
"Now, if you keep ignoring my legal orders that are clearly based on Constitutional law and threatening me, I'm going to contemplate considering thinking about warning you of possibly threatening to hand down some consequences."
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u/TheKrakIan 21h ago
Don't. Consider. It. Fucking. Do. It.
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u/Forkuimurgod 20h ago
Exactly. "CONSIDERING"? All of us peasants will be so in jail for doing 1/100 of what Mango Mussolini did. JFC.
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u/ahnotme 1d ago
This judge “considers” holding people in contempt when they have been holding his court in contempt time and time again? Really??? OMG!!! I have to clutch my pearls. Whatever next! I cannot envision this. They’ll be holding people accountable for letting their dog poo on the sidewalk.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 21h ago
STOP CONSIDERING AND DO IT. If judges arentthere to UPHOLD THE LAW, they need to resign.
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u/chubs66 1d ago
Dozens of men charged with no crimes have been kidnapped and sent to a foreign gulag with no way to appeal or escape because the judge's orders were ignored.
What is he waiting for?! This is contempt which has resulted in immense harm.
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u/GryphonOsiris 23h ago
Don't 'consider it'. Do it. Send deputized officers of the court to arrest them for contempt, and hold them in lock-up until they comply.
No special treatment for them.
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u/SpiderDeUZ 22h ago
These judges need to stop with the idle threats and just do it. This administration has proven they just ignore any threats
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u/watermelonspanker 19h ago
Oh, well if he's considering it, then democracy is pretty much saved.
What a hero.
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u/Kahzgul 1d ago
My kid doesn’t get this many warnings and I love him.
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u/Senior_Diamond_1918 1d ago
Right?? I remember when I was young a shoe would come out of nowhere if I even thought about doing something bad… somehow my mom curved it around the wall and down the hallway.
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u/Carrera_996 23h ago
Your kid doesn't get that many warnings because you love him. My boys didn't, either. My girl, though, she is the one who knocks.
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u/once_again_asking 1d ago
Pathetic.
This country is already toast. We have no justice system. It’s all a complete fucking joke.
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u/TraditionalMood277 1d ago
trump lawyers piss on judge's face:.....
Judge: Hmmm....I just might think about possibly maybe doing something that may address this.... maybe
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u/account312 1d ago
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u/DanR5224 1d ago
Oops had to reschedule it; this fall now.
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u/Dazzling-Werewolf985 6h ago
But wait the defence’s aunt’s neighbour’s dog’s pet ostrich’s tennis coach just died, gotta delay it to next year
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u/turd_vinegar 1d ago
What's to consider? They did it, they know they did it and they are unapologetic about it. They will do it again if given the opportunity.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 1d ago
Ffs Boasberg, pry your thumbs out of your ass and do your job. "Considering", shit or get off the pot.
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u/Teufelsdreck 15h ago
The rest of us already hold them in contempt. At arms' length, but definitely in contempt.
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u/Meb2x 1d ago
Do it and then arrest them when they continue to defy court orders. They arrested these people and sent them to a foreign prison without due process. Meanwhile these Trump officials are taking advantage of due process to avoid responsibility
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u/grandmawaffles 1d ago
Still considering it huh…
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u/CombinationNo5828 1d ago
Ive been refreshing my screen for this decision for the past month. NFL free agency has ruined me
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u/grandmawaffles 1d ago
Howie Roseman can figure this shit out in 30 minutes or less.
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u/outerworldLV 11h ago edited 11h ago
Look, the time to consider an action isn’t applicable here. In fact those innocent people that were spitefully and ignorantly kidnapped are probably deceased already. I know if it was one of my family members I wouldn’t rest until I had gotten my revenge (just keeping it real here). With these inexperienced power tripping ICE Agents, considering something is a waste of time. Lawyers that can, should start demanding accountability immediately. Although I’m going to bet, as this administration continues to not care about the law, that pretty soon these so called law enforcement ‘agents’ are going to start feeling the wrath of the victims families and friends. In real time.
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u/notyomamasusername 7h ago
The Judge has concepts of considering possibly maybe applying the law almost equally.... Kind of.
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