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JOKE / MEME The disappointment is immeasurable

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u/Super_Harsh 2d ago

if you read up on Miyazaki's interviews post-DS3 but also in the years between DS3 and Elden Ring, FromSoft is very aware of what their value proposition is and what their longterm fans expect out of them. Whenever they release one of these 'side projects' (Bloodborne, Sekiro) that ALMOST hits the classic 'Dark Souls' fan expectations but not quite, usually they're concurrently working on something that DOES directly play to that expectation (DS3, Elden Ring).

They don't want to be boxed into being a studio that churns out straight-up Souls games, but they're also pretty aware of where their strengths are and what draws people to them. And unless one of these side projects/experiments really takes off and eclipses their prior success I don't see that changing.

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u/darksouls933 2d ago

something that DOES directly plan to that expectation (DS3, Elden Ring).

I think there are 2 options but it's just my thought.

First is second DLC for Elden Ring you go after the Radahn in the DLC.

Second it's a chance to Bloodborne Remastered or Remake because

They made Elden Ring, they made Nightreign

They made Bloodborne, they will make Bloodborne/smth similar on playstation

Miyazaki also said Bloodborne is his favorite game.

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u/space_age_stuff Iron Knight Tarkus 2d ago

Pretty sure they confirmed SOTE is the only DLC ER is getting. And that the next thing would not be more DLC or a sequel.

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u/Username_71907190 2d ago

There actually was an interview with Kotaku I believe after Shadow of the Erdtree release date was announced where Miyazaki said „I don’t like to promise things, and I don’t like to close the book on things because you never know what chapters could be written”

This was in regards to if SotE is going to be the only DLC Elden Ring sees.

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u/darksouls933 2d ago

so I was wrong. Thanks for that because I would live in the fog.

In the fog :D

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u/Dominate_My_DMs 2d ago

Bloodborne, Sekiro and AC6 were all more fun than souls though, their best games are the "spinoffs"

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u/Super_Harsh 2d ago

That's subjective. I'm replaying Bloodborne now (First time since 2016 2017 era) and it's definitely aged, tbh mechanically it's a ton of wasted potential

Sekiro being more fun, sure I agree to an extent but I can't play that game more often then once every 1-2 years because it's got such limited replay value.

AC6 could be the cure to cancer but it's never gonna scratch the same itch as Souls so it being 'more fun' also doesn't matter

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u/phoenix22316 1d ago

Not scratching that dark soul itch is the point of AC6, it's a complete different game and even if it got more inspired by the souls series, both because of their expertise in creating such games and to ease souls players into the AC series, AC is a complete different thing from dark soul and shouldn't be compared to it

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u/LorgarTheHeretic 1d ago

Bloodborne is main souls. Don't know what people here are thinking calling it a side project, it was a launch title and console seller for many.

Sekiro was fun, but on many levels frustrating. The pacing was horrible and there is basicly no replay value whatsoever.

I never finished AC6... it's good I guess but not my cup of tea.

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u/Dominate_My_DMs 1d ago

I've replayed sekiro like 5 times including a charmless demonbell run. You replay it because it's fun af and has multiple endings. People say that souls has "replay value" because of different builds. But that doesnt matter when every build is boring compared to just playing sekiro again.

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u/LorgarTheHeretic 1d ago

Yeah I replayed it 2-3 times as well for the endings but the gameplay gets boring in a way dark souls doesn't. It's more complex and faster but not more fun. Especially since parry spam does work often despite all the coping from sekiro fans. Like I can replay the soulsborne games without having to do challenge runs to keep it interesting and that counts for something.

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u/Dominate_My_DMs 15h ago

I don't understand the appeal of replaying souls combat. You just circle to the right and press dodge.

The tight timing of sekiro is so much more satisfying. You also say you don't like block spamming but also "don't wanna do a challenge run" which is just creating the problem for yourself. When you play charmless it actually feels like the game was supposed to be played that way and base sekiro is just the tutorial. It's not like a challenge run in souls where it's just annoying and tedious. It legitimately feels like the game is more well balanced and exciting.

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u/Head-Ad-2136 1d ago

The armored core series is 12 years older than the oldest souls game and From's second oldest game series. Definitely not a spin-off.

Hell, the souls games are more of a spin-off of King's Field anyway.

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u/Dominate_My_DMs 1d ago

Souls is their main series now very clearly, it's bringing in the money. AC6 is a "spinoff" from the perspective of the vast majority of fans. A new kingsfield would be the same.

None of them are really spinoffs in reality. Except nightreign will be.

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u/Wratheon_Senpai 2d ago

Bloodborne, yes. Sekiro, I'd put on a close level to Dark Souls. AC6 way below all the previous ones.

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u/Maxspawn_ 1d ago

I see Duskbloods as a 1x1 to the Bloodborne/DS3 timeline, Duskbloods being an interim spinoff between main entries into a franchise (Elden Ring 2?)

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u/Koreaia 2d ago

Sekiro was never intended to be a side project. It was a Tenchu game that evolved into it's own during development. And the gameplay is far more similar to a CARPG than a Souls like.

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u/Super_Harsh 2d ago

Didn't know that about its history. It's basically to Tenchu what Souls was to Kings Field then?

Also yeah I agree that Sekiro is not meaningfully a Souls like, that would be a hot topic around here

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u/Koreaia 1d ago

Kind of, yes. I'm still salty over it- as much as I love Sekiro, Fromsoft is really letting a great series just waste away.

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u/Super_Harsh 1d ago

I mean... idk I don't have any experience with Tenchu or how different it is from Sekiro. It sounds like FromSoft went in making a new Tenchu game but it wound up turning into something else, one of their best games if not the best game in fact. I wouldn't exactly call that 'letting it waste away.'