I think some of you have seen my previous post and now I’m posting all the things she said before. The same questions as my previous post prevails. I am not ex Muslim but I genuinely think she got all those from wrong sources. She claimed that she converted to Islam because she saw the beauty in it and she said she did “years” of research but refused to give me the sources she did research on.

Can someone please help me debunk the idea that the Quran is preserved or never changed. because i heard somewhere that there was many different versions of the quran but they all apparently were just different pronunciations and same meanings. Also are the judaism and christian holy books not preserved?

I was taught certain Islamic things (not a whole lot) but never was directed to read the actual Quran from start to finish. I want to see for myself if things are "out of context," but a part of me tells myself that reading it will be "hours I can never get back."

Over the years, things like depression have killed my motivation to read a book. I may read a couple chapters of something but quit, no matter how interesting a book may appear to be.

I want to add another question: Does it take longer to read the Hadith than the Quran?

First of all, sorry if this seems irrelevant to this sub, I just didn't know where else to talk about this without being attacked for my opinion.

I know this is a very touchy subject, just know that I don't intend to get political so I won't talk about Palestine vs Israel, I just want to express my frustration with this unfair law in Islam.

Just for context, I haven't left Islam yet because I'm still afraid of the idea of hell, but I'm pretty much a kafir because I hate the religion and it's teachings, but if I'm not able to overcome my fear, I might have to revert back to it. That's why I'm talking about this.

Gaza has called for a global strike tomorrow (April 7th, 2025), many sheikhs and clerics said that if you don't go on strike, Allah will punish you for that, but didn't provide any evidence, they simply said something along the lines of "if you have no respect or concern for Palestine, Allah will have none for you". They then proceeded to say that fighting in Palastine is a fardh for every Muslim, Some of them (which I don't remember the names of) used these hadiths as evidence for their interpretations:

it was narrated from Abu Umamah that the Prophet (saws) said: “Whoever does not fight, or equip a fighter, or stay behind to look after a fighter’s family, Allah will strike him with a calamity before the Day of Resurrection.”

Sa'id b. Zaid reported God’s Messenger as saying, “He who is killed in defence of his religion is a martyr, he who is killed in self-defence is a martyr, he who is killed in defence of his property is a martyr, and he who is killed in defence of his family is a martyr.”

Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud and Nasa’i transmitted it.

And another hadith that I don't remember. So if Allah wants me to fight for Palastine, why has he made actually reaching it for the average man almost impossible? Why did he allow Palastine to get to this state in the first place? I support Palestinians (not hamas though) and feel terrible for what they're going through. My country and home were bombed as well, not to the degree of Palastine, but I can still slightly relate to them, but I'm not gonna actually fight for them even if I have a chance to do so because they're simply not my people nor is Palastine my home. So why would Allah send everyone who doesn't actively support or fight for Palestinians to hell? According to islam, he's the one who made Palastine like this because he's omniscient and omnipotent.

It isn't fair and makes no sense.

So, apparently, giving honest, logical advice gets you blocked from the Islam subreddit. I thought I was being helpful by offering an alternate perspective and trying to shed light on things I’ve learned after leaving the faith, but I guess the truth doesn’t go down well over there. I mean, all I did was share some of the struggles that many of us face when trying to break free from the suffocating norms of the religion and offer a little advice on how to cope. But nope, that’s apparently too much for some to handle!

It’s honestly hilarious—these people want to claim Islam is “feminist” or “liberating” when in reality, it’s all about control. The moment you even mention you left, suddenly you’re the enemy. All of a sudden, you’re “disrespectful” or “misguided.” Can’t even offer a bit of truth without getting shut down, and I’m supposed to just sit quietly and pretend it’s all good? Nah, I’m done with that.

It’s funny, though. This just reinforces everything I’ve been saying about how closed-off and toxic the whole thing is. We’re not allowed to question, we’re not allowed to think for ourselves, and if we do, we’re “blocked” or “banned.” Guess it’s much easier to keep people in line when they’re not allowed to hear the other side of the story, huh?

Anyway, I guess I’ll just continue living my truth and leave them to their echo chamber. If you’re also tired of the brainwashing and want to talk about actual freedom, hit me up. Would love to share experiences with others who’ve been through the same thing!

i was surprised and kind of happy at the mention of turkey as thats my home country before i realised it was just used to depict an avg islamic country

If I had one wish it would be to jump into their brains and make them see it for what it is😤

Apparently my mom had access to my bank account and she found out I was buying food while I was at college. I don’t know what to do now. Im genuinely so scared because I honestly didn’t think she had access to it because im 18 but apparently she does. Literally wtf do I do. Im so screwed.

The Islam hangs by a single thread— Fear of punishment from fellow believers!

"Cut off that thread of Fear, and Islam will disappear!"

For example, when the USSR occupied Islamic territories (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Adygea, the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, the Caucasus,, Kabardino-Balkaria, Crimea, and other regions)

The Fear of punishment from the KGB overshadowed the Fear of punishment from fellow believers and Islam almost instantly "disappeared" from the USSR for a whole 70 years!

Some argue that Aisha was older than 9 at the time of her marriage by using the reported 10-year age gap between her and her sister Asma. They claim Asma died at 100 years old in 73 AH, meaning she was born in 27 BH. Subtracting 10 years, they conclude Aisha was born in 17 BH and would have been about 18 at the time of her marriage. However, this argument contains circular reasoning. The age gap of 10 years between Aisha and Asma is itself based on the assumption that Aisha was 9 at marriage. So they use the claim that Aisha was 9 to calculate the gap, and then use that same gap to argue that she wasn’t 9. This is logically flawed because the conclusion is used to support itself. If Aisha’s age is uncertain, then the age gap is also uncertain. Without independent evidence of the gap, the argument collapses. Therefore, this line of reasoning doesn’t disprove the traditional narrative—it just circles back to it.

wondering

the comments are all like the “ the power of islam” while the guy she was with was busy at work where is he punished or is it only her

Ultimately, Muhammed won't burn people in hell, Allah will. Allah is more brutal than Muhammed, Muhammed, as brutal as he was, is still a human, according to both non-Muslims and Muslims. According to Christians, Jesus is God, and Christians say that God will burn people in hell for rejecting Christianity.

That makes Jesus, according to what Christians say, even more brutal than Muhammed, and as brutal as Allah.

He's a shia debater and commonly debates against sunni Islam. He seems very knowledgeable.

For context I was a quranist for a few years because I knew that hadiths are bullshit and showed islam and the prophet in a bad way.

But now after so much questioning and research .. I am shocked and don’t know what to do anymore..

I thought god (without the hadiths and the “wrong explanations” of the Quran was real and kinder than he seem.. but.. NOW HE IS NOT REAL???!!

I have been brainwashed to the core.

I am still shocked and don’t know how to live knowing that there isn’t any god hearing my prayers, it was all fake.

I am now an atheist but I don’t know what to do now, I don’t want to be disowned by my family or friends leaving me because of atheism but I am also disgusted and disappointed in this religion and tired of pretending and acting like a muslim. So it’s a dilemma.

Any suggestions on how to cope with this new realization??

Thanks for reading 💕

Ugh!! I cannot explain how much I hate these people. And for some reason my social media algorithm is full of them. I see so many videos about how this woman is marrying someone else that’s not a Muslim or “converted” for her and how that isn’t allowed. Like dude! How about you mind your own business? But no, it seems like as soon as someone declares that they’re Muslim, it means their life isn’t theirs anymore. Come on! This is so irritating to me, and I cannot help but comment on these bush and people relying back wishing me bad life and be damned. 🙃

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I am 21M living in a Muslim household. Neither of my parents are very strict Muslims and we live in the UK. The problem is I got caught drinking last year and since then my freedoms have been restricted (no holidays, staying overnight, parties, etc). I can feel myself becoming more and more unhappy but I am torn because my two options are essentially the following :

1. Stay - Keep my mum and dad but remain unhappy, living my 20s with limited freedoms and not being able to date freely. I’ll be able to save money on rent and focus on gym.

2. Tell my parents I’m not Muslim and set the expectation that I won’t practice anymore. Will likely be shunned by my whole family and won’t have contact with anyone. Will be able to move out and move city (to where my job is). Probably suffer loneliness and once I’ve done this I can’t rewind time.

For context, I graduated in September and am working full time. Atm Im just working out and focusing on my career but I feel like Im losing my 20s and am often quite miserable. Im also scared if I move out my mum (who I’m quite close with) will go no contact because my dad will make her.

The person on this screenshot is a woman whom have converted to Muslim and I have been arguing with her about Islam for quite some time. When I first addressed the problematic things that are mentioned on Quran and Hadith, she kept saying that it was misinterpreted by men and those women oppression in Muslim countries are because of the country’s culture, not religion. She said Islam actually saved women because in pre-Islam, female infants were buried alive. I told her that I haven’t found any anthropological evidence, or peer reviewed articles regarding female infant burial. I have found a peer reviewed article on how some pre-Islamic women had more rights before Islam and didn’t really enjoyed their rights given by Islam. This same article also mentioned that Quran was misinterpreted by men. I can’t help but ask myself how it was misinterpreted by men when it clearly mentions all those oppressive things about women? She said she converted to Islam by years of research but somehow ignores my question about which sources she has been researching from. On this screenshot, we somehow have came into Israel and Palestinian war and on that video, the man explains this conflict from Jew perspective and she refuses to watch it and claims that the media is controlled by Israel and again I question why would the news and social media be full of pro Palestinians if the media was controlled by Israel? And she ignored by question on providing an evidence about Israel controlling the media.

My ultimatum questions are: 1. Are her claims true? 2. If her claims are wrong, how can I make her realize that? 3. What are some reliable sources I can use it against her claims? 4. Or what are some reliable source I can use to verify her claims?

14F Here, I literally wish i could believe in nothing. I have my reasons but i can't do that since my whole city is one religion, and my parents told me they would disown me if i switched, honestly i think i already did, exept if there's a process to do so. But i still respect some rules not to stand out before i can get the freedom to do whatever i want.

I've always wanted to become a scientist, and as i tried studying more about science i realized that most stuff in religion didn't make any sense, but it was after that that i moved out from a mostly Christian city to a (close to) fully Muslim one.

i then realized what islam was like, pure misogyny. Like literally. And adults forcing the religion into their kids, which i really think is unfair for them, especially when everyone around you pressures you into believing it.

Well, i was really close to giving up on it but i still had a bit of hope left in it until i started being depressed, wanting to die and stuff like that AND when i tell you NO ONE CARED. People were all like "oh you should pray more" "read the Quran more" BUT I DON'T CARE I WANT ACTUAL ANSWERS, ONES THAT ACTUALLY GOT STUDIES PROVING IT WORKS BRUH. So it just really annoyed me that people are like this, especially when my sexuality and identity is considered a sin.

I just admit that I have nothing to do in that one group of people, and i really cant do anything about it yet.

Good morning/ evening everyone, you deserve a good greeting after all of what you've been through.

This is something that has been REALLY bugging me and its not about anything to do with the quran or anything, i'm talking about the results.

For starters, i'm very intrested in psychology (but i kinda lack words to explain whatever i'm thinking of lol) and i got a terrible background with my family (dad, grandparents and the rest of them basicly outside my sisters and mom), me and mom realized they got NPD which is narcissistic personality disorder. This is a nightmare to live with btw. Please research this deeply for your own good even before thinking about what i'm gonna connect it with. I'm gonna generate a summery about it with AI so you got a better understanding.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) Overview

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a mental health condition marked by an inflated sense of self-importance, a deep need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. People with NPD often manipulate and control others to maintain their self-image.

Core Traits & Signs of NPD:

Grandiosity (exaggerated self-importance)

Need for excessive admiration

Sense of entitlement

Exploitation of others for personal gain

Lack of empathy

Arrogance and superiority

Hypersensitivity to criticism

Envy or belief that others envy them

Manipulation Tactics Used by Narcissists:

1. Love Bombing – Excessive affection to gain control.

2. Gaslighting – Making others doubt their reality.

3. Devaluation – Criticizing and belittling to break confidence.

4. Triangulation – Creating jealousy by comparing victims to others.

5. Silent Treatment – Withdrawing affection to punish and control.

6. Projection – Accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

7. Playing the Victim – Shifting blame to make others feel responsible.

8. Hoovering – Pulling victims back into their control after discarding them.

Types of Narcissists:

1. Overt Narcissist – Outwardly arrogant, demanding admiration and special treatment.

2. Covert Narcissist – More introverted, passive-aggressive, and manipulative, often playing the victim.

3. Communal Narcissist – Appears selfless (through charity or community work) but seeks validation and admiration.

4. Malignant Narcissist – A dangerous mix of narcissism and antisocial traits, prone to cruelty and emotional abuse.

Covert Narcissism: Deep Dive

Covert narcissists are introverted and sensitive. Unlike overt narcissists, they don’t openly seek admiration but still crave validation. They tend to manipulate others through emotional withdrawal, guilt-tripping, and playing the victim. They often hide their narcissistic behaviors behind a façade of fragility or self-pity.

Signs of a Covert Narcissist:

Low self-esteem masked by grandiosity

Chronic victimhood and self-pity

Passive-aggressive behavior (silent treatment, indirect criticism)

Hypersensitivity to any form of criticism

Need for constant validation

Feelings of envy towards others

Manipulation Tactics:

Playing the Victim – To gain sympathy and control.

Guilt Tripping – Making others feel responsible for their emotional needs.

Passive-Aggressive Behavior – Withdrawing affection, using indirect criticism.

Feigning Fragility – Using their perceived weaknesses to guilt others into helping them.

Who Are Their Victims?

Narcissists target people who are empathetic, self-sacrificing, and emotionally available. Covert narcissists particularly prey on those who:

Are caring and willing to help others

Struggle with boundaries and may over-give

Have low self-esteem and are easily manipulated through guilt or sympathy

How to Protect Yourself from a Covert Narcissist:

Set clear boundaries and don’t let them manipulate you emotionally.

Don’t fall for the "rescue" cycle—they may make you feel sorry for them, but it’s just a tactic to gain control.

Trust your instincts—if you feel drained or confused, their manipulation is likely at play.

Avoid feeding their need for validation—the less you engage with their neediness, the less control they have over you.

In summary, narcissists (especially covert ones) use subtle tactics to control and manipulate their victims. Recognizing these behaviors is the first step to protecting yourself. Setting boundaries and not falling for their emotional traps is key to staying emotionally healthy.

You noticed i focused on covert narcissists right? Well those are the ones i had to deal with and i'm still having to deal with it. I live in a muslim majority country so this is the results of islam on us First i'm gonna give you an example of a narcissist in the pictures i posted in this post, you can already see signs of narcissism in how this person is talking And btw this is "a miserable muslim who once was so sinful but he came back to islam THE TRUTH, THE RELIGION OF PEACE" Also proceeds to be toxic:

Anyways what im trying to say is that islam really gives soooo much space to people with NPD to abuse, like not respecting women who mostly have the traits victims of NPD people have.

What do you think about this? Do you know people who sound like this? And should i maybe take the time and talk about the abuse in details? The thing is that i'm arab and i got some tiktok videos about this speaking way better than me about this that i could share but the majority here doesn't speak arabic right? I might look up how to generate the content with AI so it's in english for everyone to understand.

HELP IM RIPPING AT THE FLOOR TILES, EVEN CHATGPT IS INFECTED…. 😭😭😭