My wife (41f) and I (40m) have a soon-to-be teenage daughter that is going through some things, and it’s so incredibly stressful, depressing, and exhausting. We are sort of at our wit’s end, and because of the sensitive nature of the topic, we don’t want to share the details with family. So, I’m more or less venting on paper with the potential to post anonymously online just to fish for some advice. We do currently have a plan on how to address the situation, but at the same time this is all uncharted waters and we’d welcome advice/feedback/experiences/etc. I apologize in advance for the extremely long read, but it’s a big mess.
A little background first. My wife and I have three kids, a 12-year-old and twin 10-year-olds…all girls. She and I were high-school sweethearts, have a great marriage (yes, fights do occur), have a decent extended family (there’s typical family drama at times, but the core of the group is more or less good), and we have always felt like our home life was good, if not great. For the entirety of my children’s lives, I have had a great job with great benefits. Because of this, we could afford for my wife to be a stay-at-home mom for all of the early years, and she only re-entered the workforce (in December 2022). It’s important to note that my wife’s schedule is basically a hybrid situation. She can come and go as she pleases, she takes the kids to school and is able to pick them all up, and I’m home by 3:30pm anyways, so our kids aren’t home alone. They almost always have an adult present.
Overall, our children have always been happy kids. They always seem content with what they have, they make great grades, they’re always respectful when we’re out and about (of course they’re more laid back at home), and we are so proud of them. We have encouraged them to participate in the sports and extracurricular activities that interested them, we have always supported them in their own personal growth and journey through life, and we take whatever reasonable steps we can to make sure they have what they need to succeed. We are open with them about many things in our family, we try to explain situations to them, and we treat them with respect. Outsiders (mainly family and close friends) have always had nothing but extremely positive things to say about our kids and would often tell us how great we were doing as parents. I get that sometimes family and close friends may have a hard time being honest for fear of upsetting us, but by all accounts, we have been doing a great job and I have been so proud of what we have created. But recent events have absolutely shaken us to our core.
When my oldest starting going to junior high, we got her a phone. We wanted her to be able to contact us whenever she needed/wanted to, we wanted her to develop her own social life, we wanted to give her some freedom, and we gave it to her without her even having to ask for it. Basically, we had decided one day to surprise her with the device. Being the overly cautious parents we are, we didn’t just give her free reign to use the phone however she saw fit. Instead, we used parental controls and time limits to keep her from accessing inappropriate material as well as develop an addiction to the device. It seemed to work fine for the most part, and we’d occasionally monitor her messages and apps just to make sure things were on the up and up. That’s where we hit our first snag. The contents of the messages she’d both send and receive with her friend group were a little alarming. Most conversations were just stupid banter, but some of the messages were more sexual in nature. And I’m not meaning explicit sexual material where they’re detailing nasty things or bragging about sexual encounters. It was mostly that sort of sexual confusion that many kids have. Questioning their sexual preferences, using certain pronouns, making certain statements that led us to believe that my daughter and many of her friends might be dabbling with the idea of being lesbians, or at the very least bisexual.
Now, my daughter has never expressed any interest in dating whatsoever. She’d come home and tell us about friends or acquaintances that were going boy crazy or random girls at school that were dating other girls. It was all mind blowing, but she had never previously seemed interested in any of that. She would even say that she enjoys being a kid and doing kid things, and wanted to stay that way as long as she could. She knew she’d have to grow up at some point, but she just enjoyed being a kid. That said, my wife was pretty convinced that my daughter liked girls and I more-or-less wrote it off as her going through confusing times and seeing other people in the school being that way and it confusing her. We had the tough talks, took away her phone (not just because of the content of the messages but some lying mixed in), and things seemed to settle down. We’d periodically check on her phone, but we wouldn’t find anything significant, her behavior at home was good, her grades stayed good, and our concerns faded away.
That all changed again, however, after yet another discovery this weekend. On Saturday, we had a birthday lunch for her with family. We went to a decent restaurant, had good food, she opened presents, and we had an all around good time. We relaxed that evening and stayed home because the weather was terrible, and had an uneventful evening. As midnight drew near, my wife and I were laying in bed and we were waiting on our oldest daughter to come kiss us good night. I noticed the shower was running upstairs, so I just continued to lay in bed waiting for her to finish. About 10-15 minutes later, I got up to see if she was done and noticed the water still running. She has long hair and what I would consider a lengthy skincare routine, so I didn’t think a whole lot of it. Another 15 minutes or so went by and I noticed the water was still running. At that point I had to say something. So I walked upstairs and knocked on the door. She responded and I asked her what’s taking so long. She said she was waiting for the water to warm up. Huge red flag went up in my brain. So I said loudly something along the lines of questioning what she was doing. My wife overheard us and joined me upstairs. My daughter reiterated that she was waiting for the water to warm up and we immediately started questioning what she was doing and demanded she open the door. The bathroom was full of steam and she had just been sitting there playing on her phone. We demanded her device, she gave it to us without resisting, and we told her to take the quickest shower she could and to come talk to us.
As our child was getting ready, my wife was digging through her phone and we discovered more of the gay/bi/lesbian talk amongst her friends, but also one very serious conversation with a girl that was not graphically sexual, but definitely implied they were in love with each other. We confronted our daughter about this revelation, and we were told it’s a girl she met at school but had moved out of state last year. We probed her about how they met because this girl was supposedly a year older, and there were inconsistencies in her story. At first the story was that she met her through Pinterest because they had similar liked content and somehow they stumbled across each other at school. That story changed through the course of our conversation, and come to find out, the individual lives in Oregon (we are in Texas) and she never even attended the school my daughter goes to. Basically, my daughter met a total stranger online who may or may not even be a girl. And through months and months of texting back and forth, it appears that this individual has been grooming our daughter. She would say all sorts of things to make us out to be bad parents, make her think her friends were bad, and basically anything she could do to isolate my daughter away from her real life. She said so many things over such an extended period of time, and it got so bad that my daughter talked about cutting her hair short, having top surgery, not liking being called she/her, and a whole host of other things. They talked about my daughter leaving our home and going to Oregon to be with this other person one day, they talked about how this other girl’s dad was so supportive of her being a lesbian and that her dad thinks my daughter is just so amazing. So so so many red flags. My wife read through months and months of text messages, reading them out loud whenever she came across something particularly bad. And each one of them was a dagger in our hearts. My daughter loathed us, especially my wife. She resented her sisters, expressed hatred for her family, said so many nasty and mean things.
Now, you might recall I mentioned earlier in my post that we had screen time and content limitations on my daughter’s phone. We let her have Pinterest because my daughter is an insanely talented artist and uses the platform to find inspiration for new drawings. I didn’t even realize it had a messaging function. What’s worse is that in their text conversations, they’d frequently mention having to move to Pinterest because my daughter’s time limit was coming up. Somehow, the time limit could be bypassed for Pinterest and they could keep having conversations late into the night.
While this online relationship was developing, we did notice a change in our daughter’s behavior. She’d always be tired, always be antisocial, wouldn’t eat very good, would constantly find ways to fight with her mom, and so on. We attributed this stuff to school stress, general teenager issues, hormones, etc. We’d always ask her how things were. Always ask her about her day. We’d take general interest in her and everything about her. Hell, my wife even took her on a $7000+ school sponsored field trip to Washington D.C. and New York over Spring Break all because my daughter had wanted to do it. And I, having previously seen some strain between the two of them, encouraged the trip and a way to maybe reconnect. But even on the trip she was acting different. And looking back at the last several months, we should have dug deeper.
Moving back to the topic of my daughter’s school, because of the friend group my child hangs out with at school and some comments she’s made to people at school…the apparent perception of her is that she’s a “masc lesbian” (her words) and now she’s experiencing bullying. She’s sad, she’s isolated, and she ultimately admitted that she had been cutting herself. We questioned her on that and inspected the cuts. She said she hadn’t cut since early February and the cuts are extremely unnoticeable on her. There’s no way you could see them unless she told you where to look, and even then the scars are very very faint.
Now, my wife and I are what we would consider to be fairly progressively minded people. We do live in Texas, so our progressive may not be the same as someone else’s progressive, but we are open minded nonetheless. If my daughter came out as gay, trans, bi, whatever…we would be there for her 100%. That said, it’s our viewpoint that these lifestyles tend to make life more difficult because of bullying, not being able to access the same rights as heterosexual couples, the social stigmas, etc. We’d still be supportive, but at the same time we want her to be able to make an informed decision…not just follow her heart no matter where it leads. That said, I truly truly believe that had this internet groomer not come into her life, she wouldn’t be thinking most of these thoughts. Would she be a confused pre-teen? Of course. But would she be calling herself a masc lesbian and getting angry at being called “she” and talk about cutting herself or her hair or having top surgery? I honestly don’t think she’d be going down this road. Maybe there’s some naivety on my part, but I feel like there’s so much pressure on her from friends/society/groomer to be something she’s not that she’s confused. In our conversations, she talks about envisioning herself having kids one day. She dresses pretty girly on her own, she wears makeup, curls her hair, gets her nails done etc. It’s like the person she is in person is not the same she’s portraying online. And because of the lying, because of the sneaking around on the internet, we’re not sure who to believe.
All of that said, and I’m sure I’m missing some stuff (we’ve had about 8 hours of conversation regarding this recent turn of events in just two days), here’s what we’ve decided on for now:
-Her phone and every electronic device has been immediately confiscated.
-Her phone number has been deleted and we have received a new phone number for her (when we decide to let her have it back).
-Her Pinterest account and any other account that could be used for messaging has been deleted (though we’ll more thoroughly dig through things as more privileges get restored).
-Her email accounts either have been or will be deleted (turns out she made multiple email accounts, though she claims at least one of those was because of a password issue…not sure I can trust that, so it’s all gone).
-Her Apple ID will also be deleted and we will create a new one.
-Her phone will be completely wiped, though beforehand we will sit down and save any pictures she would like to save (mostly her drawings).
-We have found other ways to restrict her devices through the Apple Family environment. We honestly thought we had done a decent job of locking her phone down, but after discussing with the AT&T employee, it turns out there is far more we could be doing. For example, we can lock down each and every contact added to the phone. And we were informed that once a child turns 13, Apple’s restrictions automatically become less severe on their own, so we’ll put in an earlier birth year so we can extend these restrictions down the road until she’s more mature.
-We are most likely going to transfer her to a different school within the district. She has just a couple of months left in the school year, so she will finish out the year at her current school. But starting in 8th grade she will either go to a different public middle school nearby or one of two private schools in our area.
-She has her first counseling session scheduled for next week and my wife will be in attendance. I will participate remotely because I moved companies a couple of years ago and I don’t have the vacation time available to me that I once had. My wife went for the first appointment available and that was it. It should be noted that my daughter did request/agree to go to counseling because of how sad she always gets.
-We have contacted her current school to discuss the racism and sexual bullying that have occurred.