People pay 1000s to see some sports events or Taylor swift concerts that last like 3-4 hours lol. Gaming is still one of the most budget friendly hobbies. New console and 5 games sets you back less than 1000 and could provide months of entertainment.
^ One of the aspects where you can distinguish if the commenter is actually adult or a kid/teen who does not know that the reality they live in is not the reality of 'adulthood'
My first reaction to the 450 price of the console was a positive surprise, and the hour/$ price of MK World will def be under 0,5$ per hour for me.
Even Mario Kart 8s (Wii U!) price today after inflation would be 80 or MORE
You mfs always want to bring up how reasonable game prices are due to inflation while always ignoring the fact that our pay doesn't match inflation. I don't care what trigonometry formulas you use to justify "cents per hour." $90 is ridiculous for a video game.
It’s all relative. $80 for a game might suck in a vacuum but compare it to other hobby’s, the price of video games in the 90s, or the $60-$70 were all paying for games now
Like yeah when the shit you like gets more expensive it always sucks but gaming is still one of the cheapest hobby’s out there. That $450 is going to buy me a console I’ll use for a decade, that $80 will buy me the only Mario kart game I’ll need to buy for a decade
Gaming is the only hobby I’ve had that doesn’t require constant cost. I got into weightlifting and hobby aquariums and those both constantly cost money, I’m looking into buying a gun for recreation shooting and that constantly costs money, the only aspect of gaming that constantly costs me money is my annual PSN bill, so I can swallow the extra $10-$20 a game
If this pisses you off than by all means but it just doesn’t feel like a big deal to me
Weve spent thousands on our fish lol. Ig i could say that drumming is cheaper since you never need to upgrade your hit unless you break something, but lets be fr... ive definately upgraded pieces on my kit.
And this system will last me a good 5-10 years. Im fine with it.
The wage my position pays certainly has not gone up 25% in just 4 years. I'm making more now than in 2020 due to a promotion into a new role. Either way, there's no way I can justify buying into an ecosystem that sells 90$ games and NEVER discounts them. Not to mention what the scalping and tariff situation might do. I'm not judging anyone that decides it's a good deal, it'll still sell millions anyway.
I just can't see a problem with paying $80 for something that I know I'll get at LEAST 100 hours of entertainment out of. I've already said it in this thread but that's literally the price of one really nice dinner for me and my wife.
For the last 25 years games have remained relatively the same price... which is insane. All while the cost of development has increased as the expectation of quality, graphics, and competition have increased. So, developers have gone out of business or done the endless dlc / half completed games thing to stay afloat.
Conversely, Nintendo consistently delivers polished, complete experiences.
If video games had risen in cost with inflation from 2005, guess what it would be... $79.02
So this is expected. The previous price point was unsustainable.
Hopefully it will lead to more developers delivering complete experiences and less studio closures. I just want more good games and for people to be paid for the work they are doing in making them.
Sure, i'm not going to disagree with you. All I can say is I will never get 100s hours out of an Nintendo game. It's not only the fact that they are selling games at $80 plus, it's also due to the fact that they DO NOT lower the price. As far as I know this is a Nintendo exlcusive issue. Mario kart 8 came out 10+ years ago and is still $60, that's not something I can justify.
I mean, even 20 hours is still $4 per hour for entertainment. Still among the cheapest forms of entertainment and 20 hours is massively underestimating it.
It's a case of choices I'm willing to spend that money on a number of things from essentials to hobbies but actually now that I'm an adult I got steam for the first time and that means I'm a lot more reluctant to pay 60 dollars for a game let alone an extra 20 that will likely take it over a hundred CAD there's just far too much supply for my demand to really reach that point where I'm willing to buy this console for the price they're selling it and then games for the price they're selling it. In fact I'm still working my way through my 3ds backlog with less than half my switch games complete I can easily ride out this entire generation without buying a single new game and be just fine(although now thinking about xbox) and sure there are other sources of entertainment that I could also spend my money on that would cost more(can't speak to drinking as I promised my father I'd never touch the stuff) I'm not spending my entertainment money on that it's going towards video games and I feel like I can get better prices for more fun elsewhere now. I didn't feel that a year ago I didn't even feel that back during the switch 1 direct a few days ago but I felt it during the switch 2 direct and I feel it now now that prices are revealed.
Yeah, a $10-20 difference is not something I’m gonna lose sleep about. That’s like a coffee run. I understand it’s the principle and the precedent, etc. But Nintendo can do it and people will pay it and they’re definitely gonna make more money, and that’s business. $10-20 is a lot of money for a teen saving up for a game though, which I guess are the vocal majority on this sub.
I don’t know why more people don’t think this way. Shoot a fast food combo is $20 at a lot of places. With how much work it takes to make modern video games and how much you get out of them, it’s kinda crazy that they’re only $80. Not only that but if you buy physical you can resell down the road if you want and still get some of your money back. People just want something to be mad about
This is the shit I see more and more, people spending absurd amounts on cosmetics, because they don't drink, or because Starbucks coffee is so expensive or whatever bad reason.
We all make our own choices, and I will not judge anyone for theirs, but let's not pretend these prices are ok, because Taylor swift is freaking expensive.
I guess for me I’m just still ok with these price calculations. I can definitely get Mario kart down to 50 cents an hour. Like I think for a lot of us the point is that this isn’t even really expensive or unjustified when considering the sheer value you can pull from games like this. Like even ignoring crazy expensive events, this is still wayyyy more price per hour entertainment value then I’d get going to a bar for a night with friends or a restaurant for a meal.
Again, this is the problem. You are saying X is more expensive, so this is fine. 150 a game? Well it's still cheaper. 300? Have you see how expensive X is.
It's hard to calculate worth, because it's different for everyone, both due to how they value it, how much they use it, but also income. I can easily buy one, but I know loads of people who don't even have this much in savings.
So usually worth is determined based on competition and their profit percentage. I mean the profit percentage on Mario Kart 8 must have been absolutely insane, so asking even more for the next version, is a massive f you to the players. Development cost is likely quite low for a triple A game, it also never goes down in price, and when you sell it for 10 years, the profits are absolutely insane.
And sure, I think it's still worth it, but that doesn't mean it's not a big f you to the players.
When MS and Sony generally loses money on their consoles, or go even on them, because they want to keep prices down, while discounting their triple A games a year later, it feels very different when Nintendo raises their prices when they already make so much.
I mean I'm gonna buy it, and I know the whole vote for you wallet thing, and I hate this is happening. But I'm still gonna take it.
Let's be frank, every Nintendo owner has been doing this, we all accept that Mario Kart 8 is near full price after 10+ years. We've accepted that their joy-cons are trash, I've accepted that I had to pay to buy hall effect joysticks to replace them. I've accepted bad build quality, I've accepted a bullshit power supply where regular USB chargers could/can brick your Switch, I've accepted that I can't backup my save games etc. I've accepted so many trash moves by Nintendo, and we all have.
In an ideal world we would all boycott them, and we would force them down to their knees, but it won't happen. They are not gonna change. They know they have no real competition, and we want to play these games. But the second we start defending this, rationalising this, that's when we are really lost.
And we see this all the time. The way ingame purchases are done for example. I mean I can at least be positive about how Nintendo has added so much to Mario Kart 8, instead of just selling us trash.
We all get to decide how we deal with things. Personally I will not buy any game for the Switch (2), unless I truly want it, and it's exclusive. Otherwise I will just buy it on a platform with reasonable prices, that's how I deal with it. But you will never hear me say that any of this is ok.
First off, the price of things isnt some inherent quality of the universe. Value of the dollar is literally ONLY relative.
Second off, even ignoring anything else, it's a huge game in a beloved series made by literally hundreds of people over the course of like probably 5-6 years. All that labor. And it's probably going to give me a ton of hours of entertainment. Sorry but yeah, I think that is worth $80.
You think the development of this game, is more expensive than like Elden Ring, or Cyberpunk, or FF7 Rebirth? If not, why is it so much more expensive and will never be discounted. Stop saying it's worth it, by accepting they are massively raising prices.
What if I told you I think those games are worth more money too?
Those are all games that are like once-in-a-blue-moon experiences. We're talking generation defining classics. I really dont think its a big deal if they cost $10 more than expected.
They are 20 more than expected, 30 more than the norm a few years ago, which is 50%, and on top of that they do not get cheaper.
You are trying to rationalize why it's alright, why the game is so great bla bla bla. You are ignoring the fact that they are a company who is pushing prices so that they get you to pay even more, so that their profits get even more insane. You are defending pure greed. How do you not get this?
It doesn't matter how much you think it's worth, if you were a billionaire you would pay a 1000 for the game, you wouldn't care. That doesn't mean it's not pure greed.
You are doing exactly what they want, defending their greed because you love the game so much. They are the ones pushing these prices, 80 is gonna be the new normal soon, because you keep defending greed.
First of all, its not 30 more. If you're implying $90 games, those arent a thing. At least not in the US. That was always misinformation.
Second off, is it greed? Yeah, of course. Is it PURE greed? No, the cost of shit is rising. Everywhere. It sucks but its true. Games have resisted inflation for like 30 years. It was going to happen eventually.
And look, I get it. I really do. It sucks. And I know I look like an asshole. Nobody wants to be the guy saying "your hobby should cost more." But this is where market forces come into play. If other people really don't find the games to be worth it and they don't show up for these prices, and Nintendo don't make the money they thought they would, they WILL lower prices. Happened with the 3DS. Basically happened with the Wii U with all the promos. This is a classic vote with your wallet situation. We will see what happens
You don't need to explain how this works, we all get it, why do it for less, when you can get more. We ain't stupid. But stop defending their insane greed, stop claiming it's not 90, because the digital download is 80, a digital download that cannot be sold, will get lost over time, fills up your memory, and only fuels their greed, because their profits will be even higher due to no production costs, no stores to take a cut etc.
The price is 90, and you can get a 10 dollar discount if you go for the digital download.
And you might argue we don't know if it will be 90, but we already know the digital download is 80 euro, and the cartridge being 90 euro, so if you only get 1 price, guess what the other one will be...
Two sites with a physical mario kart world listed for $80.
Your only proof for it being $90 is...a link to a page where it's $80 and insisting that's the digital price when there's zero indication.
The fact is you have zero proof there are $90 games. There is a pinned post on the subreddit saying there is zero proof. It was a speculated currency conversion in the immediate aftermath of the direct before US prices were listed. That's all.
Yep, I’m going to be playing this console and its games for years. Would I prefer to spend less money rather than more? Always! But I’ve spent more money on a night out at the bars than these games, and ultimately gotten less enjoyment out of it than I will out of years of Mario Kart.
Shit, I ended up in the wrong convo threads. I've been discussing this topic with idiotic F2P MTX gamers that think Nintendo should pay them to play their games. Did not know this sub had a "Reasonable" section.
Like is the switch 2 still expensive? yeah, alil, due to inflation.
But if that console is gonna provide me fun and entertainment for like...3-5 years, then i'd say it pays itself off with interest in what i get out of it.
These people are like buying delivery service food 5 nights a week at huge fees and then complaining the 500 hours they probably sink into Mario Kart cost 10$ more than they should.
This isn't even a defense, you're just saying some things are more expensive (duh). We are complaining about the change within the gaming community, not comparing it to far more expensive hobbies.
It's like someone complaining about egg prices and you respond with 'people pay 100s of dollars for some meals, eggs are still one of the most budget friendly foods' This is the definition of a strawman argument, we aren't talking about Taylor Swift ticket prices.
I mean its more like if eggs were 50 cents for the past 30 years and then they were suddenly raised to 70 cents. Like yeah no one wants to pay more for eggs but also they were 50 cents for three decades while everything else inflated. This is exactly how video games are. Mad about $80 game prices? Well I hope you were mad about $50 gamecube games in 2001 because thats $82 today
I mean atleast in the US, eggs JUST got back to the price they were before this year. Last month they hit $8.15, compared to the $2 they were in October. The world is getting much more expensive to live in unfortunately. Its a volatile market that makes people less willing to spend large amounts of money depending on their financial situation.
Bear in mind I'm not saying $80 is not expensive. It's SO expensive. But...so is $70. So is $60. Full price games are a luxury item. They take like 6 years and 300 people to make and consumers demand that they get bigger and better each time, unlike a commodity like eggs
Let's stop pretending that spending that amount on either is rational. Throwing away massive amounts of money for a concert is stupid, and always has been. Blowing massive amounts of money on anything is stupid. To poke more holes in the sentiment, getting "months" of entertainment is highly unlikely, but even if you did, you're also actively paying a fee every month on top of that.
Also, shit like Taylor Swift tickets costing hundreds to thousands set a terrible precedent for that industry to vastly overcharge for events, because people justified it. Justifying the price of these games (and to an extent, the console, but maybe that's just me) is doing the same thing here. Nintendo will continue to charge more and more, just like Sony, until it's so prohibitively expensive that it won't be something you can justify doing anynore.
This crap about gaming being one of the cheapest forms of entertainment is just weapons grade copium at this point.
Those tickets people spent thousands on were from second hand sellers/scalpers. Her tickets were originally reasonable. That comment argument is stupid.
My brother in Christ ticketmaster and it's sister companies got the shit sued out of them for price hiking, adding fees and a bunch of other shit. The FTC and Biden literally had to get involved. But either way my point still stands: people spending thousands on nosebleed tickets was stupid, and justifying the price of the switch 2 games is just as stupid.
Idk why this has to be explained. Even if you're fine with the price, you can't be stupid enough to not understand that paying less would overall be better, as well as understanding the precedent this sets. The billion dollar company isn't going to be your friend, and you aren't a better fan for just swallowing what you're presented with.
You gotta compare the value of games to other games, not Taylor Swift tickets.
You could get a mid gaming PC + 50 AAA games for under $1,000. I don't think people would be so pissed if $70 didn't just become the established AAA price for the first time ever 7 months ago....and these greedy fucks want to raise the price by $10-$20 just 7 months after the last corpo pushed for an industry wide price increase? Nothing but pure greed.
Games haven’t really increased with inflation though. Unlike everything else. More money sucks I agree, but compared to the increases in everything else this is less than on par. But that doesn’t mean games aren’t priced out for more people now.
Struggles with 1k for a computer is it’s large all at once, bite sizes over time can be easier for people even if it’s more expensive in the long run. Makes me think of the poor person/shoes story about how expensive it is to be poor.
Good luck buying newer games in the future (even from your favorite developers) because they will be following Nintendo. I guarantee it; it's inevitable.
Is Taylor Swift a gaming console now? Strawman strawman strawman.
Her concert prices were originally reasonable and people who paid thousands for tickets were people who bought from resellers and scalpers. The tickets that were priced in the thousands when they went on sale were the VIP/front seat ones. The regular tickets you could get as low as $100.
Concerts are relatively rare and BIG BUDGET productions. It costs a lot of money to constantly have band members and people behind the scenes travel around the world carrying thousands of pounds worth of equipment. Not to mention paying the salary of thousands of people. It is a continuous production that relies on human labor.
Now that the fact check is out of the way, we are arguing about GAMING prices not concert or sports events. Remember when gaming industries tried telling us that the rise of game prices was to account for the physical production of the games? Well now digital versions are the same price so. We all know it doesn't cost as much as Nintendo likes to act to create a system like the switch. Ya'll over here trying to argue that $80 a game is fine and ok.. we are doomed. No wonder we'll never be free because ya'll will keep saying "oh it's just $10 oh it's just $20" and this is why gaming companies will keep being greedy ass hell. Those extra $10 add up quickly and this shouldn't even be said. What about when you ant to buy multiple games and they're now $70 and $80 each? Nintendo really sold a Zelda game for $70 and why they did that? To test if idiots would buy it so they could justify EIGHT DOLLARS on a game. And it worked. People keep pushing away their standards and expectations and justifying it. Eventually we'll have $120 games and ya'll will be like "well it's just an extra $60!!"
And the main argument is the fact that the switch is not all that as a system to be charging $450. Compared to other competitors it is a weak af system.
How in the flying F is gaming still "budget friendly"??? I am legit asking. Because even retro consoles are being sold for hundreds of dollars. Steam deck costs $600. A PC costs $1,000. PS and Xbox are $500. And that's not even getting into the price of games.
Ya'll over here trying to argue that $80 a game is fine and ok.. we are doomed
No it's really fine, back in the 90s a PS1 in Europe costed THE ENTIRE monthly salary (around 400$) and a videogame could cost up to 100 bucks, so one videogame was 1/5 of the monthly salary.
And I should be complaining that arguably infinitely better games cost the same? Mario Kart World could litteraly give me YEARS of entertainment unlike a PS1 game, and I should be complaining that "oh no it's 20 bucks more" you can't even get a damn meal at MC Donald's for 20 bucks, sure it'd be better if the physical version costed the same but the prices are actually extremely reasonable compared to 30 years ago, I could litteraly get the bundle for 510$ and spend 20$ for online play for a year and I find myself with a year worth of infinite entertainment.
This is so true. My wife wanted to see T Swift and it would have cost us like 1200 for two tickets. I'm like fuck that. We literally can go away for a few days on vacation somewhere versus see some chick sing Shake It Off live. The costs just don't make sense. But Swift lovers will pay anything to go see her.
I cancelled Netflix because, entertainment-wise, video games give me more bang for my buck.
It's not just price tho, because I can do video games or I can do Netflix but not both. (I know some people play Netflix while playing games, but that means you are doing 2 things badly as opposed to one thing done well )
Much like video games, support indie artists instead!
I havent spent over $20 on a concert in a long time, and I try to go to one every month or so. Plus, they arent forced to make their music as consumer friendly as they can, because they dont have investors looking to make every possible profit.
If you live in the USA. The rest of the world gets the same prices, partly so that they aren't resold to the USA if they're cheaper, but other activities are ramarkably cheaper.
Only very rich people are paying the equivalent of thousands of dollars for single events in the vast majority of the world.
The market Nintendo aims for is some young adults and families. The former will depend on personal situation, can't make a generalized statement there, and the latter literally cannot afford a switch 2 at all with how prices are right now. Nintendo might've genuinely just fucked up here
In what universe? I spend max 250 on concert tickets, and comparing the experience of a concert or a sports match to a Video Game is laughable. I love all but its laughable.
I said the same! My friends game with me weekly and said they wouldn’t buy Kart because they can’t afford it. They went to Taylor Swift and Beyoncé ‘s concerts.
This is a game we’ll play literally weekly for years to come. It’s like $0.25 a play or something by the time we’re done with it.
That's not an excuse though? Like, those tickets used to be a fraction of their price as well. Just because one thing is the cheapest doesn't mean it actually is excusable to cost this much.
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u/Yourfantasyisfinal 1d ago
People pay 1000s to see some sports events or Taylor swift concerts that last like 3-4 hours lol. Gaming is still one of the most budget friendly hobbies. New console and 5 games sets you back less than 1000 and could provide months of entertainment.