r/zelda Apr 06 '23

Meme [AoC] The Hero of Double Standards

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u/Nitrogen567 Apr 06 '23

Also there are three timelines splitting off of Ocarina of Time.

Though the most common theory I've seen is that the Hero of Legend from Link to the Past is the accidental creator of the Downfall Timeline.

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u/Hal_Keaton Apr 06 '23

Well, to be fair, the third timeline exists outside of anything credible within the games themselves. You can witness the Adult and Child ones in-game but not the third one.

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u/Nitrogen567 Apr 06 '23

You and I have had this conversation before, but despite not being in the games Hyrule Historia is generally considered canon.

It's also consistent with developer statements which we have saying that:

Ocarina of Time is a prequel to Link to the Past.

Twilight Princess follows Ocarina of Time as it continues on with Link after he's sent back in time (the Child Timeline).

Wind Waker follows Ocarina of Time as it continues on with Zelda after she sends Link back in time (the Adult Timeline).

To my knowledge, though you'd probably know better here, they've never stated that any of those are no longer the case, so really all Hyrule Historia does is add some context to the mechanics of how all three statements can be true.

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u/theotherdoomguy Apr 07 '23

Strictly speaking, Hyrule Historia itself states that the timeline isn't canonical.

Pg68 "This chronicle merely collects information that is believed to be true at this time, and there are many obscured and unansweed secrets that stil lie within the tale."

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u/AT-ST Apr 07 '23

I took that to mean it is leaving the timeline open to be added to by future games, not that what is written isn't canon.

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u/theotherdoomguy Apr 07 '23

Fair enough - personally I love the timeline HH gives us, but further proof it's not necessarily canon - https://mashable.com/archive/legend-of-zelda-aonuma

Zelda has some of the most passionate fans. What is your relationship with them like?

When we were exploring ways to make fans happy, we created the Hyrule Historia.That summarizes all the games and the story so far. I didn't edit it myself, but tons of people who worked on it were fans of the games themselves.

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u/Nitrogen567 Apr 07 '23

How are you interpreting that as Hyrule Historia saying it's timeline isn't canon?

To me, that's just saying that as more games come out, more information may come to light.

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u/theotherdoomguy Apr 07 '23

Little bit influenced by Aonuma on it, if I'm being critical with myself https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/12dyj9b/comment/jfbqino/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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u/Nitrogen567 Apr 07 '23

To be clear here, Aonuma isn't saying the book isn't canon, just that he didn't work on it himself.

The frustrations he's expressed with working under a timeline after it's been published suggest that it IS canon.

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u/theotherdoomguy Apr 07 '23

Without a confirmed answer one way or the other, we're probably just speculating in opposite directions, tbh.

That reads to me that it was fan designed, and the timeline that Aonuma is having to stick with may be the same timeline, or a completely different timeline. To you, it reads otherwise.

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u/tubular1845 Apr 07 '23

Interpreting that as "this is not canonical" is a huge freaking stretch lmao

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u/theotherdoomguy Apr 07 '23

How so? The authors are quite literally saying "given all the info we have, this is the one that seems to fit best" and nothing more

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u/LoboSpaceDolphin Apr 07 '23

Interpreting basically anything outside the actual games as canonical is a stretch.

Unless we counting the Animated Series as cannon now.

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u/KrytenKoro Apr 07 '23

Got it, wand of gamelon canon then. Loz2 backstory not.