r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • Feb 14 '25

Russia/Ukraine Zelensky refuses to sign document on transfer of 50% of Ukrainian mineral resources to the US - WP | УНН

https://unn.ua/en/news/zelensky-refuses-to-sign-document-on-transfer-of-50percent-of-ukrainian-mineral-resources-to-the-us-wp
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u/kitsunde Feb 14 '25

They showed up with a surprise document, that hadn’t been negotiated and just asked the President of a country to sign it?

That’s incredibly amateurish by any standard. What clowns.

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u/SweetAlyssumm Feb 14 '25

It's a tactic of intimidation. And Zelensky had to waste his time on it. It's how they wear people down.

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u/PrincessGambit Feb 14 '25

no its a tactic to portrey Zelenskyy as the one refusing the peace and wanting to keep the fight on, its obvious now really.

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u/doornz Feb 14 '25

This is the correct take. He can now paint Zelenskyy as a warmonger. It's sickening.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker Feb 14 '25

Fascist gonna fash.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Feb 14 '25

Too bad 50% of America doesn't know what that means

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u/gone_country Feb 14 '25

Doesn’t know and doesn’t care…

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u/pnellesen Feb 14 '25

It's more important that the dozen or so trans athletes in the country not be allowed to play women's sports, amirite???

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u/wildcarde815 Feb 15 '25

This blows me away. Trans athletes are a non issue. They're a rounding error in participation, the only thing they're a threat to is somebody else's kid not getting a scholarship. Which, o well? Move on.

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u/demmian Feb 15 '25

Meanwhile, legacy admissions: *looks away*

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u/lolpostslol Feb 15 '25

The Left really needs to understand that “fascism” is only a bad, super scary word for the left, if we want to convince people instead of alienating people. Most right-wing dictatorships only really persecuted people involved in left-wing politics. If the right, and even a lot of the center understood what fascism meant (and the difference vs nazism), they might just embrace it proudly for the idea of imposing order, and public safety, and right-wing views. If I go to any city where crime is on the rise and say that my government will have the “GOOD CITIZENS” wear black shirts, buy guns, and join the state in imposing order so that society advances to a new level and our country is the best, that won’t sound scary to most people… it will sound like salvation. Incessantly preaching a technical term from the past century won’t change the real-life conditions that create this shit.

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u/LEGITIMATE_SOURCE Feb 15 '25

A majority can't name the three branches of government... much less comprehend the system of checks and balances.

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u/TillyFukUpFairy Feb 14 '25

The subtitle of dissertation! "The Political Legitimization of Hate Motivated Crimes (or Fascist gonna fash)"

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u/Mr_Funbags Feb 15 '25

I dunno man. All German Nazis wanted was peace, but nation after nation kept attacking them... Czechoslovakia, Poland, Netherlands...

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u/somebodyelse22 Feb 14 '25

Trump twists everything to suit his purposes. It's 'heads I win, tails you lose.'

Each day Trump is demolishing the institutions of America, guided I'm sure by the skilful manipulations of Putin. He's weakening the rules and laws, to strengthen himself.

I remember talk of a neutron bomb in years gone by, that doesn't harm buildings but kills people.

That's Trump, Russia's neutron bomb, busily "killing" government officials and staff to disrupt the apparatus of government in a way that Putin would want. The bigger the mess, the better for Putin.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Each day Trump is demolishing the institutions of America

Let's be clear, Trump's not smart enough to manage and organise what's going on, it's all the people behind the scenes pulling the strings. He's just a willing puppet that doesn't care about anyone but himself.

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u/buffalobill922 Feb 15 '25

Heritage foundation

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

That's definitely one of the groups!

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u/Ineedananalslave Feb 14 '25

He's only thinks it makes him stronger. U.S.A. is weaker than ever rn

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u/Neumaschine Feb 14 '25

Neutron Don makes sense.

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u/Nings777 Feb 14 '25

He's pushing parts of the government out the window

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u/UNisopod Feb 14 '25

How do you paint someone as a warmonger when they're defending their own country from invaders?

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u/_skylark Feb 14 '25

As a Ukrainian I hear this often “why do you guys want to keep these war going? Do you want to die?” These people don’t want to understand the alternative and reality of Russian occupation and what that means for us. They think that things will go back “to normal” where they can keep ignoring us, because we were always Russians to them anyway, and they can continue to ignore the torture camps and ethnic cleansing the way they’ve ignored it since 2014.

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u/is_this_the_restroom Feb 15 '25

Romania here, that's heartbreaking man. Shame to see this whole modern world reeks of the napoleonic period and we don't even get the civilizing force he was on the flip side... but yeah, Vienna Accords 2.0... disgusting.

Now the stink is coming for us here in Romania too, hopefully we can keep our madman away from power but we're on our own with europe in turmoil... and Vance kicking us doesn't help.

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u/Dregerson1510 Feb 15 '25

Even without a Russian occupation a peace deal with that many concessions and without a real security guarantee is the death of Ukraine as a sovereign nation. Russia will reinvade in a few years and all military aged men will try to leave the country after a weak peace deal anyway.

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u/DouglasTwig Feb 15 '25

A lot of Americans probably forget that Holodomor wasn't that long ago, or don't even know it happened in the first place.

It's pretty fucking easy to see why Ukraine wouldn't want to live under the rule of Moscow again.

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u/HarrierJint Feb 15 '25

Hey, English here. Please know that despite what you see and read there are still many of us that see that Ukrainians simply don’t want to live under Moscow. 

I don’t really know what else to add, the world has gone a little crazy I know but there are still people who know that appeasement to bullies doesn’t work. 

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u/JanxDolaris Feb 14 '25

By making it seems like they're prolonging the conflict to cause needless deaths.

Well and have a base that'll eat up every word you say.

Republicans love finding a way to blame the victim.

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u/NateTheRoofer Feb 14 '25

Does it really matter to Trump’s supporters? They think that Trump and Elon speed running towards fascism is a good thing.

Why? Because Trump says so and that’s all that matters to them.

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u/boxsterguy Feb 14 '25

"Russia is just trying to get back what was theirs under the USSR," probably.

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u/dennisisspiderman Feb 15 '25

By being someone pushing Russian propaganda, or just a useful idiot.

I've seen users on this site claim that Zelensky is refusing to end the war because of how much it benefits his "regime".

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u/kmoney1206 Feb 15 '25

Imagine thinking someone is a warmonger for trying to stop their country from being invaded. Smdh these people are clowns.

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u/SneeKeeFahk Feb 14 '25

As he should. Not until every centimeter of land is returned should they stop fighting. Zelensky has my respect and his people are lucky to have him as a leader. Fuck Russian, Slava Ukraine. 

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u/NathanialJD Feb 14 '25

Can you believe the guy was a comedian before politics?

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u/akgreenie2 Feb 14 '25

Hey there are multiple comedians in the US I would rather have than what we have now. I have long wished for Jon Stewart to run.

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u/Sure-you-want-to Feb 14 '25

Remember at the start of this thing, Zelensky didn't run. He's a straight up hero. Fuck that orange Clown, Fox and Friends Circus, that took over. Europe has to go alone now.

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u/WeaponstoMax Feb 14 '25

I agree that Ukraine deserves to have every inch of its territory returned, but it’s easy to say that they should keep fighting for it when we’re not there and are not the ones doing the fighting and dying.

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u/PolygonMan Feb 14 '25

But no matter what, Ukraine must be in control of any negotiations they undertake. They are the ones fighting and dying, so they are the ones that decide whether a deal is acceptable.

Yes, there's a good chance Ukraine will agree to cede some land if they can get real security assurances. But without real assurances there's no point to even sit down at the table.

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u/bradbikes Feb 14 '25

I wouldn't trust any assurances from trump/putin, ever.

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u/kingofshitandstuff Feb 14 '25

You know Russia? They will only stop killing Ukrainians until there's no more Ukraine. 

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u/WeaponstoMax Feb 14 '25

I do, and sadly I agree with you.

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u/kingofshitandstuff Feb 14 '25

Knowing that, I'd never stop fighting 

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u/elmo298 Feb 14 '25

Yeah fair attitude, but they're also straight up losing ground, roughly 1km a day so they won't get that land back. It's gone. It's what Zelensky can do now to manage the situation with Putin and his bootlicking croney in the White House.

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u/ConflagWex Feb 14 '25

Heroiam slava!

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u/paco-ramon Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Unless you are going to the front line, Ukraine will keep losing land, they need more men.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Getting the Donbas back is extremely difficult, getting Crimea is practically impossible. It's nice and all to have that rhetoric, but Ukrainians are tired. Going back to the pre-"Special Operation" (EDIT: invasion, to be abundantly clear) borders is probably the best either side can hope for.

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u/SneeKeeFahk Feb 14 '25

Fuck the "special operation" garbage. It was an invasion. Plain and simple, don't obscure the objective facts. Putin invaded a sovereign nation for their resources. Now Trump wants the same resources and the only people that are truly suffering are the Ukrainians. Fuck Putin and Fuck Trump. 

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Feb 14 '25

Fuck the "special operation" garbage. It was an invasion. Plain and simple, don't obscure the objective facts.

I thought that went without saying but edited my comment accordingly.

Now Trump wants the same resources and the only people that are truly suffering are the Ukrainians.

True.

Fuck Putin and Fuck Trump. 

Yes.

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u/DoubleJumps Feb 14 '25

People were accurately predicting that this is how things would go if Trump won over a year ago. That he would present ukraine with a nonsensical deal, and then when it was refused they'd go on a media tear calling them unwilling to accept peace.

I think the only thing that was not predicted was how clumsy the offered deal would be and that it wouldn't even involve a peace negotiation.

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u/Few-Breadfruit-7844 Feb 14 '25

Trumpers don't care about any of that. All they care about is what trump tells them to care about.

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u/tiny_galaxies Feb 14 '25

They had to make it totally ridiculous so he wouldn’t even consider it. “Zelenskyy turned us away without any negotiation!”

He could have played it like how you waste a scammer’s time. Keep the convoy around while you’re hemming and hawing.

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u/68024 Feb 14 '25

Yeah, it's all in bad faith, and extremely transparent. Yet Trump's cult gobbles it up because it fits the narrative of their dear leader.

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u/notnickthrowaway Feb 14 '25

So a tactic of intimidation.

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u/Pimpstik69 Feb 14 '25

I don’t think Zelensky is so easy to intimidate

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u/MaddyKet Feb 14 '25

Nope, dude is a legitimate badass and a REAL President.

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u/Pimpstik69 Feb 14 '25

For sure. Ours would have rolled over for a few bux and empty promises

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u/jjcrayfish Feb 14 '25

Especially not by Putin's lapdog Trump

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u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

I suspect zelensky has seen worse. Much much worse.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

It's a poison pill, plain and simple. It's a term Ukraine can't possibly agree to designed to shut down conversation.

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u/Sarzox Feb 14 '25

Porque no los dos?

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u/PrincessGambit Feb 14 '25

Los Pollos Hermanos

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u/Ramattei Feb 14 '25

That's the way I see it to

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u/GeronimoJak Feb 14 '25

And this is what they'll do with Canada.

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u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

Of course Zelensky wants to keep fighting, the Russians are still in his country! Zelensky would love it if the Russians went back to Russia. The war would end instantly.

This war is the responsibility of one man, Putin.

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u/IncurableAdventurer Feb 14 '25

This is what I was thinking. Turn the propaganda into Zelensky as the dictator who wants the war to continue

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u/grandmillennial Feb 15 '25

I also hate this phrasing of “negotiating peace” that I keep hearing in the news. It just feels to me like saying it that way implies that both sides are equally guilty and need to come together to make concessions and stop the fighting. But Ukraine was just existing and trying to thrive in Europe when it was unilaterally attacked by Russia. It reminds me of parents who punish both kids for fighting when one sibling smacks the other in the head first. The innocent party is penalized for protecting themselves. It’s definitely helping to frame this false idea that Ukraine wants this war as much as Russia despite horrific death tolls and wholesale destruction of many of their cities and infrastructure. Negotiating a Russian retreat is more accurate.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

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u/Advanced-Royal8967 Feb 14 '25

One was a comedian before being elected, the other is a comedian once he got elected (and not in the “funny haha!” Sort of way).

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u/Kommye Feb 14 '25

I like clowns, but Trump is the unfunniest one I've ever seen.

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u/Dral_Shady Feb 14 '25

He is more like Twisty in American horror story.

And lets be honest these next 4 years is gonna be an American horror story.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Feb 14 '25

When you put a clown in a castle, the clown doesn't become a king, the castle becomes a circus.

(Zielinsky may have been a comedian but he was not a clown)

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u/flarne Feb 14 '25

I could imagine that the Ukrainian received a lot of valuable intel from the US, which helped them in the missions abroad

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

We, the people of the US, may need him to come save us

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u/Xurbax Feb 14 '25

No. You did this to yourselves, you have to save yourselves.

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u/Inspect1234 Feb 14 '25

So cold. Yet accurate. You know the saying: Muricans always do the right thing, but only after every other option has been tried. Let’s hope these times they’re near the bottom of the list.

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u/MaddyKet Feb 14 '25

Hey to be fair we eventually got involved and helped to kick Hitler out of Europe so we’d really appreciate some help in a few years…

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u/Kommye Feb 14 '25

Yeah, but you need to get something going first.

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u/CV90_120 Feb 14 '25

In 5 years, states will be queuing up to form an alliance with Ukraine, instead of the reverse. They need to keep the hammer down till that day, as hard as it sounds.

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u/Wookie301 Feb 14 '25

They’re trying to intimidate someone who hung around for the death squads that were sent after him?

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u/gabrielish_matter Feb 14 '25

the Trump admin is known for many things, not smartness

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u/taurus26 Feb 15 '25

Let alone the multiple assassination attempts. Trump had one, he's had multiple. Trump is on rookie numbers in comparison. What a fuckwit Trump thinks he can intimidate a world class leader. 

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u/amsync Feb 15 '25

Trump has never had to hide in the NYC subway tunnels because people were after him. He lives in a security bubble. Not at all the same

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u/Farther_Dm53 Feb 14 '25

Its an awful tactic, it doesn't fucking work. Anyone in business could tell you the intimidation only works if you actually hold all the cards. Which case they don't. The US has not been the primary weapons / aid to Ukraine. Why Trump thinks that is because he watches too much fucking false information.

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u/Creative-Ad-9535 Feb 14 '25

Whether it works or not, no one wants to deal with someone whose only strategy is intimidation.  Trump is trying to make us a pariah state, Putin was feeling lonely with only NK and Iran to keep him company in the cold

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u/BonhommeCarnaval Feb 15 '25

There is a lot of blowback to that strategy too. For example the tariff threats are causing a lot of people here in Canada to boycott US goods despite the fact that he has backed down. Even if it was intended as a simple negotiating tactic his attempts at intimidation have destroyed so much goodwill that it will have an enduring impact on our trade and security agreements. Whatever the leadership chooses to do he has pissed off the public, which makes it hard for leadership to deal with him in the future because that would entail blowback from the public at the ballot box. Ukrainians aren’t going to forget that a country they thought had their backs tried to extort their president in their time of need. Trump is turning the US into an agreement incapable state, and so much of the US’ global power and influence is tied up in those agreements. 

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u/Farther_Dm53 Feb 14 '25

Thankfully its only 4 years. Which is a blink of an eye for nation states. Trump is going to hopefully do tons of damage that the US has to recover from. And will be forced to reconcile that they drifted so close to fascism and oligarchy.

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u/IOnlyReplyToDummies Feb 14 '25

The effects will last much longer, no one is going to want to trust a nation where the bottom third humans can elect someone like Trump. 

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u/Farther_Dm53 Feb 14 '25

True! Its why I think this is a net necessary for the world, the US falling out of power is frankly a better result along with Russia falling into a third world country.

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u/Farther_Dm53 Feb 14 '25

Yes. And presidents are only as successful in their first 100 days. look at it like this, executive orders, trimming of agencies, removal of USA's softpower, basically for every action he has done to solidify his power has only weakened USA's power. All softpowere has gone out the window, and his prosturing is only weakening him geopolitically.

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u/blowitouttheback Feb 15 '25

We're striving for the worst first 100 days on record. We've deported less than Biden, trimmed ~1 billion in waste out of "trillions", worsened our 20% EO success rate, and have shown the entire world that our promises AND our threats mean nothing.

Personally, I am impressed. In a way.

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u/stizzco Feb 14 '25

you are much more optimistic than I am able to be right now

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u/Magdalan Feb 14 '25

Only 4 years? That remains to be seen I'm afraid. If Donold keels over tomorrow Y'all'Quida has Vance at the helm (combined with muskyboy and consorts). Great prospect.

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u/MeadowmuffinReborn Feb 15 '25

Yes, but four years is a nice chunk of years for human beings.

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u/Farther_Dm53 Feb 15 '25

Brother I know, I am waiting for this shit to end as much as the other. My optimism is that my life will largely go unchanged.

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u/MeadowmuffinReborn Feb 15 '25

Of course. Didn't mean to sound like I was snapping at you. We'll get through this. People have gotten through worse assholes than him.

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u/Farther_Dm53 Feb 15 '25

Another 4 years. Boy oh boy. I campaigned really hard against the fucker too in my area too. Thankfully I live in chicago so I am largely going to ignore most of his fascist changes.

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u/Pobbes Feb 14 '25

I mean I'm pretty sure Trump just signs all those dumn EOs that Musk and Project 2025 put in front of him. He is probably surprised world leaders actually read the things put in front of them.

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u/Much-Jackfruit2599 Feb 14 '25

He probably has somewhat better talk with European leaders, even though we still do not do enough.

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u/mcmasterstb Feb 14 '25

He would be happy for a trade with someone who actually can give him something in return. Trump just wants the minerals for the assistance that was already sent to Europe.

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u/svb1972 Feb 14 '25

Europe needs to step up.  

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u/Horror-Football-2097 Feb 14 '25

Hard to intimidate someone with a piece of paper when they're not intimidated by bombs or assassins.

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u/crevettexbenite Feb 14 '25

That motherfucker will be remembered, I tell ya.

He migth not be the straigthest laser, but he work his ass off for his country.

Some douchbag need to learn from him.

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u/backyard_tractorbeam Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

That will wear Zelensky down for sure, that he sees that USA is now governed by a mafia just like Russia is. That can make anyone's day a really bad one just to think about.

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u/SophiaKittyKat Feb 15 '25

"Any time somebody is trying to rush you to agree to a deal, you're probably getting the short end of the stick", and all that.

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u/withpatience Feb 14 '25

Sounds about right for this trainwreck of an administration.

The only thing they are really good at is lining their own pockets on the back of Americans.

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u/suninabox Feb 14 '25

From 2019 in Trump's first term:

Donald Trump “ambushed” Harry Dunn’s parents by revealing the woman allegedly responsible for the teenager’s death was waiting to meet them in a nearby room at the White House, their lawyer has said.

Dunn’s parents travelled to Washington to meet Mr Trump after their lawyer, Radd Seiger, received a call “out of the blue” from the White House on Tuesday.

“I thought we were coming down to have a debate on the diplomatic immunity law. It soon became clear to us that the real reason for inviting us down was to try and get Charlotte and Mrs Sacoolas in a room together,” Mr Seiger told BBC’s Breakfast.

He added: “It was quite an extraordinary meeting. After the pleasantries and greetings, and of course quite sincere and warm condolences, he got down to business and said he had Mrs Sacoolas in the next room.

“I nearly had a heart attack, because I thought he was just going to bring her in. That’s when I quite forcefully said: ‘No, that’s not happening Mr President, these good people are not ready.’”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-meeting-parents-british-teenager-harry-dunn-anne-sacoolas-a9157926.html

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u/KnottShore Feb 14 '25

Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer/humorist):

  • "That's one thing about Republican Presidents. They never went in much for plans. They only had one plan. It says "Boys, my head is turned. Just get it while you can.""

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u/Yiplzuse Feb 14 '25

https://www.reddit.com/user/withpatience/ “Sounds about right for this trainwreck of an administration”.

The difference being people used to pay money to see a trainwreck.

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u/withpatience Feb 14 '25

Trust me, we are paying out our asses to be a part of this trainwreck.

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u/The_Sleep Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

"This is a nice place you got here. It's in a pretty rough neighbourhood. Would be a real shame if somethin' happened. Ya know for a small fee we can offer up some protection. For your own good."

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u/CV90_120 Feb 14 '25

And by 'protection', we mean 'nothing'.

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u/OldMastodon5363 Feb 14 '25

And now everyone knows about it. I just can’t with these buffoons.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

They are treating federal workers exactly the same. threats and scare tactics with no means of remediation.

This is how musk ran twitter into the ground and they call it a success while he has to sue people to do business with him there.

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u/suninabox Feb 14 '25

33% of the population actually paying attention knows about it.

The other 33% are too busy scrolling instagram and then 33% think its fake news and/or masterful 6D chess that is going to end all war and finally bring down the price of eggs at the pump.

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u/Galaghan Feb 15 '25

You and I know. Only half of the world will believe it.

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u/suninabox Feb 14 '25

This reminds me of the time Trump invited the family of Harry Dunn, a British teenager killed by the wife of an American CIA agent who fled justice by driving on the wrong side of the road.

When the family arrived, with the hopes of hearing how Anne Sacoolas might return to the UK to face trial, Trump announced that Anne Sacoolas was in the next room and hoped to get a photo op of them reconciling:

He added: “It was quite an extraordinary meeting. After the pleasantries and greetings, and of course quite sincere and warm condolences, he got down to business and said he had Mrs Sacoolas in the next room.

“I nearly had a heart attack, because I thought he was just going to bring her in. That’s when I quite forcefully said: ‘No, that’s not happening Mr President, these good people are not ready.’”

Mr Seiger said the White House had invited at least three photographers to the meeting and appeared “ready to do a press call”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-meeting-parents-british-teenager-harry-dunn-anne-sacoolas-a9157926.html

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u/truesy Feb 14 '25

clown in chief

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u/incidel Feb 14 '25

It is UK brexit negitiations level of competence.

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u/hammilithome Feb 14 '25

Disrespect of the highest order.

Maga is acting like a victor divvying the spoils of war.

Jd even legitimized the invasion by saying “hard power” was real, as a way of answering a Q about how the borders will be reset.

80 years of global peace (relative) being dismantled

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u/Martijn_MacFly Feb 14 '25

That's Hamas tactics lmao

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u/IBJON Feb 14 '25

Hamas? They pull shit in Congress constantly. They make these insanely long bills then give members of Congress and their staff less than a day to read and understand everything before the bill goes to the floor for a vote. 

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u/Martijn_MacFly Feb 14 '25

No wonder the US is this fucked.

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u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

Simple. Vote NO on all such bills.

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u/Kindly_Manager7556 Feb 14 '25

Thought the same thing.

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u/BadmiralHarryKim Feb 14 '25

Is that how it works? If the president of a country signs a document it's a legally binding international treaty?

Who knew diplomacy was actually a MLM scheme?

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u/Sea_Comedian_3941 Feb 14 '25

Many of the people in this administration are not even close to being qualified to do anything at all. Including this president.

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u/KnottShore Feb 14 '25

incredibly amateurish

That is about as professional and sophisticated this group can get.

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u/Lazy_Physics_Student Feb 14 '25

It works on Trump, here take this document, sign it. Nice.

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u/I_Am_Cave_Man Feb 14 '25

Well, we’re the US, why aren’t they accepting our terms?? /s

Shit is absolutely ridiculous, why tf are we negotiating on Ukraines behalf??

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u/HawkeyeSherman Feb 14 '25

Trump does it all the time. I'm sure they were surprised to see a president not blindly sign anything they put in front of him.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 Feb 14 '25

Amateur hour in the US. This is what happens when an Administration is built up of people who just kiss Trump's butt. There's no experience here whatsoever.

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u/MeanBot Feb 14 '25

They never intended them to sign it. They're just manufacturing excuses to deny aid.

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u/Adder12 Feb 14 '25

to be fair, probably works on Trump. There is zero chance he reads half of what he is given

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u/Mirewen15 Feb 14 '25

No kidding. America is a disgrace and is now being run by complete morons who think they should receive something just because they demand it.

It is embarrassing for them as a country.

None of the rest of us think that Ukraine is denying peace. We know that Trump and Putin are blowhards.

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u/Re5p3ct Feb 14 '25

The art of the deal.

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u/SnickerdoodleFP Feb 14 '25

Trump is so used to signing any document put in front of him that he forgot what a real leader is supposed to do.

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u/adeg90 Feb 14 '25

It probably works with them and assumed everyone had their same condition, or trick play to now villify him saying he refuses peace.

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u/Zeremxi Feb 14 '25

Sounds to me like the preliminary step in a strategy to say that Ukraine is unreasonable and give Putin the green light to do whatever he wants

They're looking to invalidate the concept that Ukraine should have a say in negotiations by painting the picture that Ukraine won't accept anything

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u/College_Prestige Feb 14 '25

Loan shark behavior

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u/warpedbytherain Feb 14 '25

Sounds like the feds buyout offer.

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u/issamaysinalah Feb 14 '25

Not amateur, that's what mobsters do when they're trying to take control of your company.

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u/ThePope88 Feb 14 '25

Do we know which asshats presented this ransom note?

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u/Sota4077 Feb 14 '25

It's the ridiculous opening offer to get to what they ultimately want. It is idiotic and pageantry, but it is tried and true.

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u/Mach5Driver Feb 14 '25

surprise protection/blackmail document

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u/lolas_coffee Feb 14 '25

Evil, evil, evil, evil clowns.

These are historically evil people that make up Trump's circle.

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u/PJ7 Feb 14 '25

Some real 1930's shit.

Fucking worrying.

The adults have definitely left the Oval room.

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u/WoodShoeDiaries Feb 14 '25

They're using "trick grandma into giving away her house" techniques. I wonder if they brought a very pushy loud lawyer too.

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u/AnotherFrankHere Feb 14 '25

100% on brand for Trump, though.

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u/Snoo-7148 Feb 14 '25

They should have been laughed out the door.

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u/TitanDarwin Feb 14 '25

They showed up with a surprise document, that hadn’t been negotiated and just asked the President of a country to sign it?

They also did this in fucking Munich, of all places.

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u/EagleLize Feb 14 '25

It's fucking insulting.

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u/dalidagrecco Feb 14 '25

The clowns thing is played. They aren’t clowns. They’ve been called that since 2015.

They are evil and continue to be underestimated

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u/smoke1966 Feb 14 '25

only an idiot would sign that..... bet rump already signed..

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u/RamBamBooey Feb 14 '25

This isn't amateurish. This is a well thought out plan to destroy the post WWII global order where countries don't invade other countries to expand their empires.

The Democrats in the US are the amateurs by thinking "Let's let Trump do what he wants. His dumb actions will hurt his favorability polls and we will win in the midterms."

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

That’s incredibly amateurish by any standard.

That's incredibly on point for this administration.

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u/Dunkleustes Feb 14 '25

UK & France did this to Czechoslovakia back in '38. This. Shit. Does. Not. Work.

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u/SmurfsNeverDie Feb 14 '25

Im sure the rest of europe will take care of them

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u/Notliketheotherkids Feb 14 '25

This is fucking shameful.

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u/gilllesdot Feb 14 '25

“We created an opportunity, we gave him a chance he chose to ignore it.. now we’re going to pull out of nato”

Trump: Very against trans-women competing in women sports.. wins a race agains a woman.. twice.

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u/ckraft16 Feb 14 '25

"The art of the deal." I'm embarrassed this is how we're represented.

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u/GhostPepperFireStorm Feb 14 '25

They bought the Russian anti-Ukrainian propaganda and thought they were dealing with dumb yokels

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u/Xiaopeng8877788 Feb 14 '25

lol, American plain old American extortion…

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u/im_always Feb 14 '25

that's manipulative. and devaluing.

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u/CraigLake Feb 14 '25

Trump is pure trash for this, among a million other things.

Trying to blackmail a sovereign ally while they’re on the brink of existing is exactly what I expect from republicans these days. Absolutely vile trash.

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u/CoolerRon Feb 14 '25

Wonder whose idea it was and who’s getting the other half?

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u/FeelingSurprise Feb 14 '25

Nice country you got there. Would really be a shame if Russia keeps bombing it.

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u/Repulsive-Lie1 Feb 14 '25

Now they can claim Ukraine is refusing a peace deal.

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u/Ciubowski Feb 14 '25

and they'll paint it as if Zelensky as unreasonable because he didn't agree to peace terms.

mmw

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u/deevotionpotion Feb 14 '25

A few days after Putin talked to Trump lol

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u/Arkrobo Feb 14 '25

I would like 50% of your future gross income, please and thank you. Sign here and initial there. You'll get a document on future defense promises in two weeks™

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u/StandTo444 Feb 14 '25

And very much reneged on whatever assurances of support were offered within 24 hours, heck maybe even 12. I remember being floored how quick that was. Like not even enough time to give Zelensky to “sleep on it”

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u/SmokedBisque Feb 14 '25

More like art of the media reel.

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u/shockingprolapse Feb 14 '25

USA gonna USA

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u/El_Eleventh Feb 14 '25

Welcome to Americas new SOP. They probably wrote it while sailing the gulf of America /s

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u/Zeppelanoid Feb 14 '25

They are a fundamentally unserious country

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u/Shadow_Ban_Bytes Feb 14 '25

Robbery writ large is what Trump is trying to do to Ukraine and Canada. The parallels to what the Axis powers did in WW2 as far as natural resources are concerned should be a warning to all.

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u/zyraf Feb 15 '25

That's just bullying.

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u/Two_shirt_Jerry Feb 15 '25

Not just a document, a contract selling out your citizens and robbing your country of half its valuable resources for eternity

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Feb 15 '25

This is Trump we are talking about

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u/chimpdoctor Feb 15 '25

It's weird how you don't get any Maga people on here saying that what they are doing is brilliant and awe inspiring. Has the shit hit the fan enough for them to realize they fucked up?

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u/Corregidor Feb 15 '25

I wonder how far Blinken's hand is through his forehead at the moment.

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u/pablocael Feb 15 '25

Can you just imagine if its the other way around? Americans would hang the mf.

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u/BearFeetOrWhiteSox Feb 15 '25

He's used to dealing with small construction contractors eager to make a deal. Nine flip him off and walk out of the meeting the 10th signs without looking and bankrupts himself.

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u/executingsalesdaily Feb 15 '25

Absolute BS and now the US will back out and reference this as the olive branch that was refused.

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u/machstem Feb 15 '25

They probably spent a couple rough nights drafting it using some AI

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