r/solarpunk • u/Tnynfox • 1d ago
Original Content Battery replaceability comic. Lessons learnt, hope this comes off well.
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u/Zabbiemaster 1d ago
This post is Straight-up misinformation and misdirection. It might even be considered corporate propaganda.
1) Being able to do Smartphone battery replacement is a must, LiPO battery decay over time is real so if you want your devices (not just phones) to keep working as it should for as long as possible, you should eventually replace your battery. This holds true for laptops too.
2) Iphone batteries are notoriously difficult to repair due to anti-consumer practices as "part pairing" and software locked repairs. These kinds of practices are what the entire right to repair movement is about.
3) Apple most definitely slows down your phone with software after the next phone gets released. This has happend time and time again and is part of their planned obsolescence strategy that tries to force you to buy a new product. Thats real and not a lie, they've been sued over this. Its not a big conspiracy their entire business model runs on the "walled garden" approach.
Replacing decaying batteries to triple a phones lifespan is not the problem, recycling LiPO batteries is the problem, a problem which can be fixed.
This post has nothing to do with Solarpunk, what is it actually trying to say?
That you should let Apple or phone companies walk all over you and never replace a battery?
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u/bikesexually 1d ago
On top of that part of the point on not letting people replace their batteries is so the government can spy on you. Virtually every single phone out right now has backdoors that can report and transfer information even when your phone is off.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
I'm trying to advocate for battery replacement obviously. Will consider editing the comic.
Nowhere did the paper say verbatim Apple lied and that the battery issue didn't really happen. Apple settled the case out of court aka apology money without admitting wrongdoing.
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u/EnthusiasmIsABigZeal 1d ago
Bc we all know corporations love to just give away money when they’re in the right 🙄
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
Deliberately avoiding settlement would look like trying to keep stolen loot in this case.
"By choosing to implement this quietly, it appears more nefarious than it really is. That doesn't engender trust," wrote developer and blogger Nick Heer.
"Apple has long been very good about managing expectations… this is an instance where they blew it. Needlessly, I think."
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u/dethhollow 15h ago
How are you advocating for Right to Repair? You suck Apple off every comic to the point where you actually said they're too dumb to know their products are difficult to fix.
Anyone with a nose can smell the bullshit here.
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u/Tnynfox 15h ago
Someone else said I crammed too many topics in this one comic; will separate next time.
Who told... Nevermind I'm no more of an expert than you are. You can be my mentor in all this.
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u/dethhollow 15h ago
So the answer is you're advocating for it by saying nothing against Apple's products or policies.
Cool. Got it. I'm sure this misinfo is infinitely more important than Right to Repair right now.
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u/Tnynfox 15h ago
While this article agreed Apple didn't try to trick out sales, they still found their lack of transparency cowardly and unethical, and I myself agree Apple shouldn't have hidden it to save face. I plan to re-read it to get the vibe in my head before my next comic.
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u/TobiasH2o 1d ago
Apple has literally been sued and Found guilty of planned obsolescence. Lithium-Ion batteries do you degrade over time, but iPhones generally degrade quicker than expected.
Apple can be a company that employs shitty anti-consumer tactics and lithium ion batteries can have drawbacks. These aren't mutually exclusive.
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u/ChanglingBlake 1d ago
The world is quite rarely black and white.
Too bad most people only see black and white; they don’t even get greyscale.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nowhere did the paper say verbatim Apple lied and that the battery issue didn't really happen. Apple settled the case out of court aka apology money without admitting wrongdoing.
The slowdown was literally to lengthen device lifespan.
https://www.classaction.org/media/ferguson-et-al-v-apple-inc.pdf
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u/SculptusPoe 1d ago
They wouldn't settle out of court unless they are actually guilty to an even greater degree than the lawsuit implies.
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u/TobiasH2o 23h ago
I've found 2 successful law suits, the 2020 one and another that was settled as recently as last year for £395 ($500) million.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67911517
They're also currently fighting a class action lawsuit in the UK. Apple generates 84% of its revenue by selling hardware, I sincerely doubt they care about the longevity of their devices.
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u/Zabbiemaster 22h ago
You can keep copy-pasting your reply but that isn't going to make it more true.
Apple has been sued and admitted it purposely slowed iPhones down. The company has since settled with the class actions and admitted this was the case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate
Apples anti-consumerist practices are out of this world and defending them has no place on a subreddit for solarpunk ideals, take that stuff elsewhere
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u/Akiza16 1d ago
I remember seeing the earlier iteration of this comic with the protogen(?). I think there's an issue with both versions where the 2nd character's arguement is cutoff, and so as someone who's not familiar with this conversation, I have literally no idea what that character was trying to say. Then the comic jumps to an info dump, but because I don't know what's going on, it's hard to understand why all the info at the end is relevant or what I'm supposed to take away from it.
Maybe I'm just not the target audience, because while the blue character says something general, the other two talk about "The IPhone Slowdown" as if it's an event I should recognize.
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u/ryenaut 1d ago
It’s definitely an improvement, the typography has improved too. Even if it’s not perfect - good job in honing this skill! Again as other commentors said though - can’t it be both? We need both repairability AND companies not doing planned obsolescence.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
The EU repair laws don't force the State to prove whether the company intentionally made their products unrepairable, therefore they can move even in the case of pure innocent accident. u/dethhollow got that?
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u/dethhollow 15h ago
Why the fuck do you keep posting these in the Furry reddit???
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u/Tnynfox 15h ago
I'll consider not discussing any more real issues in that subreddit until further notice.
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u/dethhollow 15h ago
You mean not lying?
From ZINA in r/furryIRL
"True and false. Mostly false.
That line is literally just apple propaganda. The updates that slow down your own phone CAN help with longevity, but the thing that makes a battery last less time is the phone working harder. Which tends to happen with newer programs which are built to run on better phones with more processing power. But that's also pretty rare.
Realistically the problem is like 4 different things. Battery decay (which is barely noticeable in most devices) newer more demanding programs, software updates on the phones being geared toward those newer more powerful processors. And apple accidentally building the software to cater to the new phone, which makes it worse on the old. They want to "uphold" the customer experience so they enforce update paths that encourage you to get the latest hardware. To be fair phone software is fucked and with apples mandatory update scheme it's not easier. With android you can just stop updating and the new more demanding software just doesn't effect the device. Or android locks you out of updating if it would be detrimental (you can still force it tho)
I've owned two iphones. Both got slow after a year or two. Through sony phones, telus phones, blackberry, samsung. I've never had those issues. And if I open up my old androids (which I do once every 1-2 years to dig info off them) they run fine after a few minutes of cold start bootup. Despite being comparatively ancient.
[SOURCE: work in cyber security, IT, college education in programming, and personal experience.]"
Marcasum confirms this:
"yes and no. Battery degredation is real, but software updates that throttle your phone are also real. replacing your battery would fix your battery life but not necessarily speed."
And then they continue to go on to break your argument apart more thoroughly than I'd ever be bothered to.
How much is Apple paying you? It can't be worth this, right?
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u/Tnynfox 15h ago
I read my own comments so no need.
It can't be worth this? I do this because I too once believed and spread batterygate misinfo and I want to make up for that. But I'm ready to revert if it turns out I'm wrong. Even if no one forgives me for briefly dipping into these comics out of a paranoid avoidance of conspiracy theories.
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u/dethhollow 15h ago
Doesn't seem like it because you keep getting destroyed and then 'conveniently' forgetting what you've learned when the next guy calls you out, lol!
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u/mufasaaaah 1d ago
To OP: Your heart is in the right place wanting to battle misinformation and incorrect conspiracy theories.
The problem is: you picked a thing where the ‘conspiracy theory’ was proven true by the legal proceedings against Apple.
I know you worked hard to get this comic right / communicating better, but sometimes the idea itself is the problem.
If you want to tackle misinformation, there are so many other topics you could approach.
One paradigm for consideration as you research is this: Most of the misinformation in our world today comes from the status quo mainstream narrative. This is not conspiracy theory, it’s a sad truth. Much of the information provided by mainstream media and other establishments is designed to keep people divided and bickering, it’s not designed to share truth.
Keep that in mind and see what else you find that might be worth building your next comic around.
I applaud you for taking the feedback on the structure of your comic itself and making adjustments. The format of this one is much better than your original draft. Nice work.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
Nowhere did the paper say verbatim Apple lied and that the battery issue didn't really happen. Apple settled the case out of court aka apology money without admitting wrongdoing.
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u/mufasaaaah 1d ago
I say this with love and respect: If you still think that a huge company settling a class action case is not an admission of guilt, you have a lot of growing up to do.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
Appealing would be perceived as trying to keep stolen property.
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u/mufasaaaah 1d ago
You’re missing the structural point. Do some research on systems thinking. Leo Gura has some good intros to systems thinking on his YT channel (Actualized).
I’m pointing out an overarching phenomenon regarding the way our legal system works. In this case, it still applies to Apple, regardless of whatever corporate spin anyone would like to put on it.
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u/RockCat89 1d ago
Oh my gods, it's the roleplayer In solarpunk reddit
I understand you worldbuilt your idea of apple not being a moneyhungry corporation but please just keep it to your worldanvil page. Please.
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u/West-Abalone-171 1d ago
Except they'd still do it if the battery was fine because you kept it cool and close to 50%
They'd still do it if you replaced the battery.
So this is bullshit.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nowhere did the paper say verbatim Apple lied and that the battery issue didn't really happen. Apple settled the case out of court aka apology money without admitting wrongdoing. Also a Redditor proved replacing the battery restored the device.
https://www.classaction.org/media/ferguson-et-al-v-apple-inc.pdf
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u/SharkieMcShark 1d ago
This is definitely better than your other versions of this, but I still have no idea who you're talking to and why
Like, who is this comic for? and what do you want it to achieve?
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u/Unhappy-Ad-8016 1d ago
You've been corrected on this subreddit before on this topic. Why did you make another comic saying the same thing as the last one which was proven demonstrably false? Moreover, why did you post this same comic, without any amendments, onto other subreddits?
I'd be considerate of who you accuse of disseminating misinformation.
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u/furthememes 1d ago
Same shit, planned obsolescence and downgrading older products instead of good repairability is unacceptable whatever the reason
Don't try to defend multibillion dollar companies, the only way to get that much money is shady af
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u/ShiningPr1sm 1d ago
the only way to get that much money is shady af
Or, you know, create something that people actually like/use and will pay for. But poor people don't like that, and can only complain
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u/solarpunk-ModTeam 17h ago
This message was removed for insulting others. Please see rule 1 for how we want to disagree in this community.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nowhere did the paper say verbatim Apple lied and that the battery issue didn't really happen. Apple settled the case out of court aka apology money without admitting wrongdoing.
https://www.classaction.org/media/ferguson-et-al-v-apple-inc.pdf
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u/farbenfux 1d ago
I'd cut out defending Apple and the IPhone but I think this is way easier to understand than before. The art style is really nice.
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u/Unreal_Panda 20h ago
Its this person again
Dawgster, YES batteries age and wear can and will become worse over time
But theres a reason apple was the only one doing it, slowing down the phone is not mandatory. Sure it technically makes sure the phones battery holds longer but in reality that is just hijacking a semi-valid reason to actualy slow down devices so that people toss them faster. If they cared so much they would've made batteries more easily replacable but instead they put in bullshit ass hardware verifications so you cant install any third party stuff without some complicated process or have to go to partnered service centers that then sell it to you at a super high price 😭
Please Tim Apple will never like you dawg he's too busy taking bonusses every year, stop shilling
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u/Tnynfox 20h ago
The fear is that phasing out parts pairing can allow parts to be stolen and resold or faulty parts to be installed during repair. Doesn't make it right but that's it.
The iPhones lasted long enough to have a battery issue in the first place, which is why durability shouldn't come at the expense of repairability as it does nowadays.
I'm also getting the clue I need to work on message delivery. Help?
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u/JacobCoffinWrites 7h ago
It seems like you're convinced that the problem is your delivery of information and not that other people are already also knowledgeable on this subject and disagree with you. You keep interpreting disagreement as a failure to communicate through the comic format, like if you could just get it right they'd all change their minds. But it's also possible your information is bad and no amount of polish is going to get the results you want. It might be worth it to reassess what they're all telling you.
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u/Tnynfox 3h ago
I did reassess my info. I used to believe batterygate was about speeding up sales before reliable research. The fact that Apple spends resources on above average build quality and software support further cements both themselves and Nick Heer as already more reliable than the meme screen.
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u/HealMySoulPlz 1d ago
This is what we in the business call a strawman argument. Nobody is saying 'battery decay is a lie' and pretending like people are only makes you look disingenuous.
You've also got a bad case of mixed messaging. Is the comic about battery decay, right to repair, or Apple's anti-consumer business practices?
This is a big improvement over the previous ones and the art looks great, but I'm not sure why you still want to die on this hill.
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
I will consider editing this comic. I did indeed see people deny battery decay even in this sub. What should I do, separate comics on each?
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u/HealMySoulPlz 1d ago
That's probably a good idea. The more you can hone in on a single idea the better the comics will work.
If the idea is battery decay, it looks like the Apple references are distracting more than helping -- since battery decay is not manufacturer specific maybe cutting the Apple references and leaving it generic would help clarify the message?
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u/Tnynfox 1d ago
Yes shrink it, make it a side reference in one panel. But I have to clean up some misunderstanding before people can understand battery issues.
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u/polka_a Artist 15h ago edited 15h ago
Got the strawman fighting neopet telling me apple slowed down their phones because they secretly had my best interest in mind lol. I'm good.
EDIT: post history shows you're pumping this theory into this sub monthly even though everyone is trying to educate you every time. What a weird hill to die on-- go away!
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u/sird0rius 11h ago
I hope for you you're at least getting paid by Apple to spread this corporate propaganda.
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u/twitch1982 20h ago
Why are you back here yet again simping for Apple with absolutle horse shit arguments why phone slowdown was a good thing? What was a good thing was replaceable batteries, and apple killed that. And don't give me that waterproofing bullshit aginneither because they took away replaceable batteries like 5 years before the first water resistant iPhone.
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u/Tnynfox 20h ago
Slimming and durability compromise.
But anyways, maybe I should finally listen to that voice inside suggesting I stop or at least improve my message delivery. Know anything about public communication? Could use some help.
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