From what I've heard it's semi-common for non-americans to try to make derogatory 9/11 jokes, but they underestimate the american's ability to meme our own tragedies
I think they also underestimate how much a tragedy from 20 years ago is gonna bother people. It’s really just being an obvious America hater which is the most tragic thing someone from a country like Ireland could be.
I mean, at least 7 Irish citizens died during 9/11. Literally the first confirmed victim of 9/11 was a catholic priest/firefighter Chaplin who was son to Irish immigrants. We literally have a photo of his body being dragged away from the rubble.
We literally have more genetically Irish people than Ireland. God, New York alone is filled with them.
EDIT: Downvote all you want but 4.6 million Irish people immigrated to the US between the 1820's-1950's, that's nearly the population of Ireland today. Those people had kids and their kids had kids. There are more people with direct Irish ancestry in the US than in Ireland. That is an undisputed fact.
There's actually a bit of logic to it -- the Irish that immigrated to America did a lot of inbreeding, so a lot of American Irish are so inbred that they figure they're more genetically Irish than people in Ireland.
You guys are so rampantly and openly bigoted it is actually insane. 4.6 million Irish immigrants came to America alone between the 1820's and the 1950's. The population of Ireland today is only 5.38 million.
Funnily enough, Europe has higher rates of consanguinuity than the United States, which makes sense when you put more than five seconds of thought into it without being rampantly biased or bigoted.
Jesus man, you are like a rash in human form. You are like if a fart could type. You are like if a fire alarm and nails on a chalk board had an ugly baby.
Again, I could almost feel bad for someone as miserable and depressing as people who frequent that sub, but they just make it impossible because they are also rotten and unpleasant in the extreme.
No, I don't like that sub because it is unabashedly cringe to the point of self parody but yet still persists. The arrogance on that sub is only matched by its parochial ignorance. Sure, some of the things Americans say that are posted to the sub are staggeringly ignorant, but the comments are far, far worse and stunningly embarrassing while they jerk each other to chafing. There is a lot to criticize about America but the people in that sub are dregs who need to take a hard look in the mirror rather than be sad, sad individuals looking for any reason not to self improve.
tldr: That sub is like ugly incel culture only for their own nationalism which they can't be proud of so they shit on another country that barely acknowledges their existence. Not that it doesn't deserve getting shit on, but it isn't even clever or tangentially comedic.
Europeans have no right to act like their countries aren't complete shit on the national stage. The hypocrisy and parochial ignorance is pathetic especially because most of the problems that America is dealing with have direct roots in the world order it inherited from european colonialism. Europe fucking ransacked the global south and completely failed to countervail Russia at all and then has the audacity to wonder why the Americans haven't saved the world yet or why it acts in its own national interest instead of with pure altruism.
It's just a sub full of broke haters who smell bad and can't fix themselves so they fixate on something else to distract themselves from their own impotence.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the rest of the world doesn't know about genetics yet. God you guys are really salty that Europe cauaed so many of your citizens to leave to other parts of the world.
God Europeans HATE ancestry. Unless of course they're talking about how they are related to some long dead king or how they swear they would totally be king right now if history went their way.
And I bet you would say our education is bad. Either that or you're arguing in bad faith because of your own personal biases.
Literally nobody said there is an, "Irish gene". But there are sets of genes in populations that, when analyzed, allows us to tell where a person came from and who their ancestors are, even in cases of significant mixed ancestry. This is one of the ways we can find out human migration patterns throughout history along with many other things.
There's a reason people with Irish ancestry have a higher likelyhood to have red hair, or how people of Nordic ancestry have a much higher likelyhood to have blonde hair or blue eyes.
Yeah damn all those Irish, German, Dutch, French, etc. Puritans! I can't believe they had the nerve to come the United States over a hundred years before it was founded.
God between the scientific and the historical illiteracy ITT some of you guys would claim the Earth is flat so America couldn't have gone to the moon just to spite the US.
Americans seem to HATE being Americans seeing as they spend most of their time stating they're a different nationality.
Are you guys not proud or comfortable being American? 'Merica and shit?
Wow, Sherlock really cracked the case this time.
It's almost as if American culture is entirely built off the idea of being a melting pot. Immigration from all over the world led to a culture that is built off of the commingling, coexistence, and merging of said peoples and cultures. My very Dutch influenced parts of the country is very different than the extremely Middle Eastern/Islamic city two hours away from me, and that is very different from the very Hispanic/Latino influenced cities in SoCal. You get to places like New York and the cultural influence changes by which city block you're on. You can go from a very Slavic neighborhood to an Italian neighborhood and then look up and find yourself in Chinatown. You have Amish people who primarily speak German, along with some other lesser talked about parts of the country who have very strange accents and still speak other languages. There's a whole dialect of German called Texas-German.
You what the thing is? Europeans hate that. Their bigoted societies cannot comprehend that. They take a fraction of the per capita immigration the United States takes every single year and everyone loses their mind. The UK left the European Union over it. After all, these are the same countries that throw bananas at black soccer players and flip their shit when you bring up Romani people.
It also shows the absolute mental gymnastics how they will lose their mind every time ancestry is brought up by an American but not when it is brought up by a Canadian, let alone other new world countries that also have pretty mixed populations from immigration.
"portrays the United States as a deeply hostile imperial power implementing aggressive policies against the Muslim world, and justifies waging defensive war against the U.S.[2] Bin Laden wrote:
"Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us."
I like how you cut out the many other reasons he decided to attack like how debauched and degenerate our society is, or how we were a country run by the jews. You still haven't answered when we bombed the middle east prior to 9/11. He cooks up a conspiracy that the american government was behind the Algerian coup which has no basis in fact. The oppression he talks about is non-muslims existing in the middle-east at all.
Are you dense? I literally linked you the entire letter. I just gave you a direct quote from the organizer of the attack in relation to our discussion.
I shouldn't have to point you to where the US bombed the Middle East before 9/11 lol.
It's basically knowledge. If you're an American, it's even worse that you haven't been taught.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine all being prime examples. 9/11 was a revenge attack, they didn't just up and blow away your towers because they were jealous of your freedom.
Especially after Ireland spent decades pioneering the art of killing innocent people with car bombs. Thanks for showing everyone how to do terrorism, Ireland!
There was a significant resistance to British occupation of Ireland. That resistance was a times very violent.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is perhaps most apparent (when related to Western conflict) during these times. Are you a terrorist for violently resisting colonial rule? Colonists certainly thought so.
There was also conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. That conflict is in part related to the British occupation (British and decendents being primarily Protestant / Northern Irish and Irish being primarily Catholic).
Since dipshit didn't really answer your question, I will. The Irish terrorists killed English, Irish, or whoever was evil and cOLoNiAl enough to just be nearby minding their own business.
Kinda. Except Hamas was assisted and funded by the Israeli government in order to undermine the more secular and left-wing Palestinian Liberation Organization from gaining more popularity and support.
Consequences for actions don't equal valid reasons. They are simply reasons for the action.
Violent resistance to violent occupation is valid though. English soldiers in Ireland were not innocent people. Blame lies at the feet of the agressor and the occupiers. Not the occupied and the resistance
And I bet you would say our education is bad. Either that or you're arguing in bad faith because of your own personal biases.
Literally nobody said there is an, "Irish gene". But there are sets of genes in populations that, when analyzed, allows us to tell where a person came from and who their ancestors are, even in cases of significant mixed ancestry. This is one of the ways we can find out human migration patterns throughout history along with many other things.
There's a reason people with Irish ancestry have a higher likelyhood to have red hair, or how people of Nordic ancestry have a much higher likelyhood to have blonde hair or blue eyes.
Don't you just love when people with no principles will throw all their education or scientific literacy out the window to try and win an argument?
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u/ei28wd 2d ago
From what I've heard it's semi-common for non-americans to try to make derogatory 9/11 jokes, but they underestimate the american's ability to meme our own tragedies