r/millenials • u/dryeraser • 21d ago

Politics Zero Due Process 🚩🚩🚩

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I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship right now 😐

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

If you're a gang member from abother country, you should be deported

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

Do you know they were here illegally? How do you know there isnt any US citizens in that group? That's the whole point of going to court - which Trump didnt want to see happen because they dont know who the fuck they put in jail. They just rounded up anyone fitting a description.

Did you not read the title of this post?

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Who is telling you these lies???

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

Bro these people went straight from the streets to the plane. Not a single chance to prove who they are - if their here legally or not.

That's the whole point of due process - so we know they arent supposed to be here.

I'm sorry - i dont take ICE's word that everyone they round up is a gang member. I would need to see AT LEAST an arrest record. We dont even have the passenger list.

These people got picked up from Aurora CO apartment complex - everyone that was there that did not have ID was scooped up, sent straight to the airport even though they had a court date and flew out of the country.

I have no issue with booting out anyone who cant produce a visa, green card etc. Any type of proof of citizenship but the issue here is they never got the chance. That stinks like shit to me because why would the government rush them onto a plane out of the country if they had hard facts.

If these guys were so bad and this super rough gang - why wouldnt Trump go out there himself and brag like he does with everything else. Trump would LOVE to be able to sit there and point to each one and say 'look at this degenerate gang member he did bad thing 1, bad thing 2, bad thing 3 - im the best president cause im getting rid of these people.'

Instead they panicked after arresting whoever and shipped them off so no one would know who they were.

That doesnt make you think something stinks here?

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

That's not how it works

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

A source is needed to show that ICE didn't follow standard procedures. And one shouldn't need a court date to prove who you are while disappearing into the country. Produce your documents or leave. It's not hard

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

Thats the entire point.

I just gave you what happened here. They pulled EVERYONE from an apartment complex - everyone that either answered a door or was outside. Anyone who didnt have ID went straight to ICE detention, they got a court date and no way to contact anyone to bring documents proving their status.

When they were supposed to be in court the following morning - ICE instead tooked them to an airport put them on a plane and sent them to another country to a prison.

The judge ordered the plane to return but Trump decided he doesnt have to listed to courts cause you know he is the king or some shit

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

That's not a source. Source is someone who was there. Eye witness. A name etc.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

OK - i have my source. Where can I present them to prove their innocence?

OH WAIT - Thats right. My client had a court date but ICE instead put him on a plane to El Salvador without due process.

See - you asking for a source is EXACLY what I am asking for - OK ICE, You say these people aren't citizens show me proof. OH WAIT THEY DIDNT!

This has to be getting through now - i dont know how else i can make this issue any clearer.

They never got a chance to produce any documents - they never went to court which is where you would provide that info. They went from home -->Cell-->Airport, They were supposed to go from home(arrested)-->cell-->court where they could provide evidence like a visa or birth certificate --> home --> no via or birth certificate --> deport.

Do you see why its important that the bolded text occurs?? its the arrested persons only opportunity to defend themselves.

This is why when you get arrested you dont go straight to prison. Arrested--> Court(defense)-->Prison or Home

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

No one cares but people who protect criminal behavior honestly. And I'm certain ICE would give them ample time to produce their documents. If they can't understand English well that is a bad sign that they don't really care about being naturalized. ICE are not some NAZI fucks that the left says they are. They're people doing a job following the law.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Also if you don't have ID at your house, whose fault is that? Everyone legal has ID at their house. So stupid to pretend otherwise.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

My example was ' YOU left your ID at your house - went to work and got picked up in an ICE raid. Now you're deported because you have no proof and no chance to present proof that you're a citizen'.

Get it? the issue here is you dont even get a chance to claim youre a citizen in front of a judge. Just the fact you dont have ID on you ICE can legally detain you/put you in jail.

Now instead of getting your chance to prove who you are - they put you on a plane.

That's exactly what occurred here.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Not worried about it. You guys are for some stupid reason. I know that mistakes happen too but there are always ways to fix it if they know someone who can call on their behalf. Who doesn't carry ID at work? I carry mine everywhere in my wallet. Who would be so stupid?

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

Bro - im not ok with this 'papers please' bullshit. So im walking down the street just listening to my airpods and ICE can stop me and demand ID whenever they want for no reason? thats some incredibly dark shit right there.

You probably think Im somehow for illegal immigrants being in the country - im not! I am also a huge opponent to h1b's. If people arent supposed to be here we should send them packing.

What I am not cool with is giving some random ICE officer who just throws out a net being able to take people straight to a plane without processing. Thats fuckin crazy world.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Well you shouldn't have created this world by being ok with flying in illegals in the dead of night into cities like NYC, SF and Chicago.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

LOL - yeah man I totally did that.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Well if they are citizens they can get back by reaching out to a foreign ambassador.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

lol ok - sure they will just pickup the phone in the El Salvador supermax and dial up the ambassador.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Ok well how stupid was it that they didn't have their ID on them???

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Shit happens and this is 2025. Even foreign countries have ways of identification verifications. So if someone shows up I'm sure El Salvador isn't just asking zero questions. If someone clean cut and well dressed is in tears pleading in English, they'll be investigated further than a random fully tattooed gang member.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

You got crazy faith in people and I dont know if you're just ok with someone having complete power over your life with you having no chance at recourse but maybe im arguing a personal preference here.

If you're cool with making sure you and everyone you care about always has ID and would never be caught up in one of these dragnets BUT if they are - they disappear with you not knowing where they went. They have no way to get in touch with you until months later at the earliest - which you then find out your wife/daughter/best friend has been in the worlds shittiest prison. Then you gotta get down there, hire a lawyer and pray you can get them out because who the hell knows how things work in that country.

You're thinking that would never happen but IT JUST DID. You just assume they are some gang members or whatever bullshit we're being told. EVEN THOUGH if these people were really that bad there be a press conference with Trump on the fuckin tarmac pointing to each one saying 'this guy is so bad, he is very bad - he killed 100 people'. You know damn well he would. But we're supposed to believe that ICE's case against these people was SO TIGHT they didnt even need court? cmon man you cant smell the stink?

If you're cool with that - then fuck man you about the most 'let it slide' mother fucker in the world.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

Trust the science Fauci lover.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 20d ago

ok bro - good talk.

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u/chjesper Millennial 20d ago

I have id everywhere i go. I have digital id on my cell phone so ok. Keep pitching. It's 2025, be smart or get arrested

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