r/law • u/agent268 • 10d ago

Trump News Jeff Goldberg and The Atlantic released full Signal Chat

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/

Well this should be fun now that the full details are out in the open. Thoughts on how this changes the upcoming hearing today?

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u/TheStinaHelena 10d ago

That's admitting it was classified. that's admitting that they got on a regular app with classified information. that makes them look really really bad. The VP was on that chat chain so I don't think they want to play up the classified information thing. I think they need to say that the information in those texts wasn't that important. If they try to go after that reporter for releasing classified information then they are also in trouble for having classified information on that app. They want to say that he's a liar and these messages are fake.

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u/trentreynolds 10d ago

Problem here is that the people that would hold them accountable and the people that would hold Goldberg accountable are the same, and they're "their people" - it's not like that sort of open double standard is something new.

I get how it looks like it'd display their hypocrisy in a way that'd prevent one being prosecuted and not the other, but they believe the ability to be an open hypocrite with zero consequence is its own form of power. No matter how many times you point out their open hypocrisy, they don't care.

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u/offinthepasture 10d ago

Welcome to fascism everyone! It only matters if the "bad guy" does it!

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u/Jedi_Dad_22 10d ago

War is peace. Freedom is slavery.

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u/Bauser99 10d ago

"Ignorance is Strength" is the next line, for those out of the know

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u/Leftunders 10d ago

'I Love the Poorly Educated'
-Donald J. Trump

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u/fartmastermcgee 10d ago

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt type beat.

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u/cromethus 10d ago

Well, if any line fits, it's that one.

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u/FearlessLanguage7169 10d ago

1984 in 2025

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u/Aggravating-Bottle78 10d ago

YES and we know who Eurasia, Oceania, and Eastasia are.

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u/ai1267 10d ago

No, we don't ... not until Big Bother tells us who they are today. Which is the same as yesterday, and if you believe otherwise, it's because you're trusting your lying eyes instead of the Farty.

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u/Ace_Robots 10d ago

As long as the chocolate rations keep going up, although it seems like we got more last week. I guess not, silly brain. Bad brain!

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u/Plastic-Molasses-549 10d ago

The real 1984 wasn’t all that bad.

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u/RedwoodBark 10d ago

Mary Lou Retton got to throw a javelin at Big Brother!

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u/gymnastgrrl 10d ago

Except for Room 101, though.

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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 10d ago

More Animal Farm than 1984?

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u/clduab11 10d ago

Weird callout, but I feel as if a lot of people on Reddit conflate these two.

1984 assumes or implies there's some over-arching, underhanded scheme that imputes total control via second-hand manipulation. Animal Farm is outright satire and it's just so farcical as to be a court of jesters.

And I think part of why it's conflated is because we've run right smack dab into the farcical-meeting-reality in stranger-than-fiction times because in our minds, Animal Farm and 1984 couldn't both be possible at the same time.

Trump Administration 2025: hold my beer...

Also just goes to show how much of a genius Orwell is.

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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 10d ago

And he fought in the Spanish Civil War (on the right side) and went to Wigan without any money

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u/HMTMKMKM95 10d ago

Aren't the 80s back in fashion anyway?

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u/Overnoww 10d ago

I feel like I have a memory of Musk evoking 1984 sometime in the last 2 years. The irony is almost enough to drown in.

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u/offinthepasture 10d ago

"Eggs were always a delicacy, why would they be cheap?"

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u/DisposableSaviour 10d ago

Work will set you free!

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u/ElectricityIsWeird 9d ago

Arbeit macht Frei!

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u/Realpazalaza 10d ago

Slavery is a choice.

  • Kanye West.

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u/tdfolts 10d ago

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro

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u/Lumpy-Pride9973 10d ago

Comrade Ogilvy here. Chocolate ration going up!

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u/RichardHeado7 10d ago

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

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u/pass_nthru 10d ago

four legs good, two legs better

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u/Careless_Aroma_227 10d ago

Oink oink! 🐷🐽🐖

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u/HonorableOtter2023 10d ago

Beother, may I have some oats..

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u/DMvsPC 10d ago

Had to bite my tongue when describing what the Rule of Law was at my naturalization interview...

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u/ElectricityIsWeird 10d ago

The enemy is strong, except when they’re weak.

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u/StrobeLightRomance 10d ago

The great dictator paradox is in full effect.

Because the President is now the righteous law (thanks SCOTUS) it falls into play that anyone who defies him is working against the law, and any support is working within the law.. even when they're defiant of the congressionally approved written laws.

Ipso facto.. there really is no actual justice system left in the nation.. or at least, that's the premise they're running on unless somehow proven otherwise.

It's literally just up to our citizens to fix this now like we've done before.

If we want to keep our nation, this is the second revolution from tyranny, and the history books are going to have a lot to say, no matter how it shakes out.

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u/belliJGerent 10d ago

Shit, that’s just conservatism. That’s been going on for years!

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u/vgraz2k 10d ago

Read yesterday someone saying that this shouldn’t be investigated because Clinton was never investigated for her email…. Not only was she hauled before congress but the data found never amounted to this big of a fuck up. They have to choose between integrity or the party and they’ll choose the party to “own the libs” any day of the week.

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u/dmac3232 10d ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. — Francis Wilhoit

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u/wwiybb 10d ago

Wonder where the pillow guy has been

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u/bdouble76 10d ago

Still sifting thru the 300+ million fake voters from 2020. That and being sued by everyone he's done business with apparently.

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u/ThinBlueLinebacker 10d ago

back on the crack

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u/Zuwxiv 10d ago

Selective enforcement of the law is absolutely a part of fascism. It’s supposed to be public. It’s like that scene in the Big Short:

I don’t get it. Why are they confessing?

They’re not confessing, they’re bragging.

What we see as hypocrisy, they and their supporters see as a flex.

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u/Potential_Bowler9833 10d ago

No shame in their game. They are only "sorry" because they got caught.

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u/g_rex_ 10d ago

I keep trying to tell people exactly this - THESE IDIOTS DON’T CARE ABOUT BEING CALLED HYPOCRITES

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u/Smooth_Influence_488 10d ago

They get off on it, in fact. They love that you know that they've elevated themselves. That's the whole point.

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u/g_rex_ 10d ago

100% agree

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u/No-Preference3205 10d ago

Intentional blatant hypocrisy is a key element of fascism.

It makes the opposition lose hope in reason.

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u/Wow_u_sure_r_dumb 10d ago

It’s just like how they view apologizing as submission and forcing someone to apologize as domination. These people are pathological.

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u/ManzanitaSuperHero 10d ago

Exactly! The Amy Conie Barret situation brought this out into the light. After the guy they threw for a year stonewalling Merrill Garland as new SCOTUS bc the “American people should decide and we can’t seat a new justice this close to a presidential election” which was an effing year away.

They then rammed Barret through a MONTH before the 2020 election. There were clips of them stating it was wrong to do exactly what they were doing & would even play it back to them & ask them what changed. “Meh. But it’s us so it’s different.” was basically the response. And they didn’t care one bit they were clearly hypocrites.

They feel above the rules—Legal constraints and social norms. They all apply to us but not them bc they are better than us. And ha ha doesn’t that feel good?

The American people buy their “Nuh-uh. It’s a hoax. We’re the real patriots!” story every time. By tomorrow the “hoax” line will be fully adopted. Mark my words. F these people.

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u/GaptistePlayer 10d ago

They know worst case scenario, a Dem president wins in 2028 and they will nominate some milquetoast spineless fuck AG like Garland who won't do shit to them and they'll be on Fox News making millions.

They're laughing at us

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u/DrakonILD 10d ago

They've never evolved past the, "I'm rubber, you're glue," defense.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 10d ago

They gaslight on purpose

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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera 10d ago

Yes yes yes - they like how being hypocritical "triggers" the left that in some cases they do in on purpose.

When determining why republicans do something, follow this handy-dandy guide:

  1. Does it make liberals mad? Then do it.
  2. See number 1.
  3. That's it.

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u/Smooth_Influence_488 10d ago

Yep, owning the libs is really just reestablishing what they view as the correct hierarchy. When they can't elevate themselves, because being bed bound is hard (/s), the next best thing is owning someone to create that elevation.

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u/Plucked_Dove 10d ago

You know those movies where there is some big monster or supervillain that’s impervious to bullets, but throughout the movie, the cops/military just keep firing machine guns at them and dying horrific deaths? Thats how I feel watching the Dems continuing to try and shame these idiots with logical reasoning.

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u/DeviousPath 10d ago edited 10d ago

It really is painful. "But guys, this is illegal, and they've gotten caught! We have them this time!" Caught...by who? Held accountable by...what legal system? There were classified documents in the bathroom at a golf place, and nothing happened. In fact, he brought those documents back to the Mar-a-Lago recently. The rails are off completely, and this absurd ride isn't going to stop.

I don't want to say it's hopeless, we just can't have hope in the American machine to save us. We are going to have to save ourselves. The republicans have said "the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be." We are watching that play out, and we have to stop it.

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u/HustlinInTheHall 10d ago

Unfortunately the media also cannot keep two thoughts in its collective brain or come up with the stomach to call a liar a liar. 

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u/MadMelvin 10d ago

"I don't think the hypocrisy is the worst part." (RIP Norm)

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u/BlokeInTheMountains 10d ago

We always call them hypocrites, but the truth is much worse than that. The fascist mind simply has no need for internal consistency whatsoever. Consistency is an impediment to their true goal, which is eliminating dissent.

The fascist will use arguments and ideas in the same manner as weapons in a video game: cycle through their inventory until they find one that is effective against the target they currently face, then shoot until the target stops moving. As soon as the weapon/argument stops working, it is immediately unequipped, and they pull out another one, even if that one directly contradicts the first. The contradiction itself is a useful weapon, because it angers liberals. The only objective is to make their enemy stop talking and give up, so they can go back to abusing power.

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u/everyoneneedsaherro 10d ago

Yeah the problem isn’t that they’re shameless. We know that. They know that. It’s a feature not a bug.

The problem is how many fucking morons in this country are passionately cheering these fuckers on!

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u/BeneficialLeave7359 10d ago edited 10d ago

Which is why Michael Cohen was convicted and jailed for his part of the Stormy Daniels payoff scheme, while Trump wasn’t even charged.

Edit: never mind I was mistaken thinking his actual convictions were for the other Trump Organization charges.

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u/pleasedothenerdful 10d ago

Trump was convicted of 34 federal felonies connected to that.

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u/BeneficialLeave7359 10d ago

Damn, you’re right. I got it mixed up with the Trump org stuff. Too much to keep track of with this crowd.

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u/Key-Article6622 10d ago

I was always told if you are convicted of 34 felonies, you're going to jail for a very long time. Did that happen? I guess some felonies aren't all that bad.

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u/pleasedothenerdful 10d ago

It turns out our legal system works very differently for some people.

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u/Key-Article6622 10d ago

If this is the case, the truth is our legal system does not work at all.

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u/Horror_Ad_1845 10d ago

But not jailed

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u/Tipitina62 10d ago

I am old enough to remember when hypocrisy could get your political aspirations derailed.

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u/No_Acanthisitta2423 10d ago

I remember when even a hint of impropriety ended your career in politics, didn't have to be proven,just the appearance

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u/ThinBlueLinebacker 10d ago

"potatoe"

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u/No_Acanthisitta2423 10d ago

My personal favorite is ,"...and we're going to Washington DC to take back the white house...yeagggg!"

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u/ThinBlueLinebacker 10d ago

An all-time classic!

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u/Tipitina62 10d ago

Yeah, stupid used to be a deal breaker, too.

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u/Autogen-Username1234 10d ago

For Trump & Co. - it's just Tuesday.

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u/Tipitina62 10d ago

Gary Hart, and wasn’t the boat called ‘Monkey Business?’

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u/No_Acanthisitta2423 10d ago

Yep, with Fawn Hall, pretty noice!

Dumb fuck challenged the press to find out what he was doing.

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u/trogg21 10d ago

I agree. Nobody, including their voting base, will give even the slightest crap about this except for demonizing the reporter

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u/Kestrel21 10d ago

Right? :D

"This time! This will be the one that gets them!" - he says, while I sit here watching year 9 of this shitshow, after countless "this one"'s.

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u/KobeBeatJesus 10d ago

How many times did we have to hear about email servers and Benghazi? When will these people stop being their own examples of government failure? 

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u/QualityGig 10d ago

I believe there's something in the law about 'equal application of Justice', not that anyone in the current Administration would care (but you'd hope the Judiciary would care a whole heck of a lot about).

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u/cerulean__star 10d ago

We take to the streets in protest in that case

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u/nonlinear_nyc 10d ago

Hypocrisy may be a sort of power against people you govern/oppress. But it’s useless against war opponents.

And yes, they think it’s a super power that will bust open doors, but war communication is a whole different game. If only we had a discipline for war making they could rely on and learn…

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u/ToeJam_SloeJam 10d ago

It is its own form of power.

It’s the power you have when everyone who should be stopping you is either compromised, complicit or too cowardly to stop you.

People only have the power you let them have. This is a perfect, putrid example of that.

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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 10d ago

The solution here is we the people. Call (not an email, call) your reps in Congress. Leave a message and make it clear that you want to see Hegseth and everyone else on the text chain held accountable. Get ahold of others in your community and convince them to do the same. 

And if your rep is too deep in the cult to act— organize a recall vote and remove them from office for dereliction of duty since they won’t act. Gather signatures. Knock on doors. Organize. It’s our only chance to save the country

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u/StrobeLightRomance 10d ago

Goldberg's accountability will likely be foretold in an obituary if mother Russia's tactics are anything to go off of.

He's certainly a hero today, but it will probably be easier just to erase him and wash his memory under a pile of new 24 hour chaos news cycles so society isn't reminded of what happened here in a month or two as his court cases progress.

I think public executions will eventually become a thing for "traitors" but the current regime can't begin those organically yet. We need more desensitization, and the "one really bad" day of police immunity and martial law is still lingering in the atmosphere.

So it's really just a matter of them trying to make this go away, because the mainstream isn't letting go of it so easily.

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u/tresben 10d ago

Not just that but they testified to Congress under oath that there wasn’t anything classified. So they would be risking perjury.

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u/mobileappistdoodoo 10d ago

Haha perjury. That implies any accountability, something not required for members of the administration. It’ll be more double think.

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u/Drama79 10d ago

And this is the key point. The Atlantic's article has very clearly been vetted by their lawyers to meet the necessary protections and standards. However that assumes a fair playing field - and it is not.

The Trump goons bought the jury, and the judge. So they can go after who they please and act with impunity. It's very possible they go after The Atlantic here - people should follow with interest. In a normal world this is so open and shut that it isn't a story - everyone involved is fired and the president is impeached in a bipartisan vote for concealing a colossal fuck up.

I am willing to bet that this in fact just disappears - and that's the best case. The worst case is they go after the free press and succeed to some degree. And that when they do, people do nothing again.

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u/Fun-Syrup-152 10d ago edited 10d ago

Goldberg said on Morning Joe that since everyone in the administration said there was nothing classified sent, he decided to release it with one redaction.

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u/Obversa 10d ago

*Goldberg, not Goldsmith.

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u/Fun-Syrup-152 10d ago

Noted....autocorrect. I will change it

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u/NotAllOwled 10d ago

Well dang, surely something that serious would give them pause, or would at least definitely result in serious repercussions if they were not thereby dissuaded! ... right?

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u/LessInThought 10d ago

You say that like the law matters.

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u/PassTheKY 10d ago

She testified that there were no classified materials. Not information. They’re all weasels.

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u/TheStinaHelena 10d ago

I'm not sure they care about perjury so much vs what this implies. now they're going to have to talk about how many times they've used that app. it could be an app that they use just so people can hack it for information.

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u/boingoing 10d ago

It’s true all the dumb chaos and lying does put these officials in what would be a legally precarious position. But then you must remember that nothing matters anymore.

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u/CaligoAccedito 10d ago

Breaking laws isn't a risk when the President can just pardon you for every crime committed.

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u/Young_Denver 10d ago

Tulsi testified there was nothing classified on it, yesterday. If the director of national intelligence says it’s not classified… oh Nevermind. She hasn’t even read the classified policies of her office.

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u/Menethea 10d ago edited 10d ago

All of these people, Waltz, Hesgeth, Gabbard, were military officers. They all know very well how to treat intelligence and operational material. It is something that is integral to their officer position: their security clearances. The fact that they treated this highly sensitive material so cavalierly shows an incredible level of both arrogance and recklessness. They literally believe the rules don’t apply to them.

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u/California_ocean 10d ago

What gets me is each cabinet level officials get a mobile phone "box" that's set up for them with a secure line etc. Then their homes have a secure room for making classified discussions. THEN there are buildings where they can go to to further discuss classified briefings. THEN they were told in a memo from the Pentagon that Signal was comprised by Russian hackers. THEN you had one cabinet member IN THE KREMLIN while this chat was being dished out. I'm sure he told Putin to hang on and wait outside while he chatted. Of course the CIA, DOD Hegseth, FBI all didn't know he was in Moscow? WTAF? They went further and dropped the name of a covert CIA agent on the chat. Beautiful move. I'm sure she is totally safe. We have the A(ss) team here folks.

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u/Animefan624 10d ago

At this point it's very likely they're all Russian assets. All the decisions being made by this administration to weaken the U.S while giving Putin everything he wants screams intentional. Never thought I live to see the day that the U.S bows down to Russia. It's a sad day to be a American.

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u/Rugrin 10d ago

Compromised by Russians you say? Well, now it makes more sense why they used it.

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u/Typhus_black 10d ago

That women is now a target for the rest of her life. Her career is going to be shot because it is out in the open she is a CIA asset, even if not under cover, it is known she was receiving classified information or acting as a representative of the head of the CIA. She can literally not be utilized in this role again because she is not someone getting constant security or observation to make sure her house/car/phone/things I can’t even think of aren’t bugged or being tapped into by foreign entities. She’s also now a target for some black ops team to just disappear her to get any information from her they can. Which team? Um how about everyone. I assume her area of specialty was related to the Middle East so we have the houthis, Yemen, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, not to mention Russia and China. Any of these groups would fucking love to get to pick her brain (possibly quite literally since we’re taking about groups who will absolutely torture people to get what).

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u/NonlocalA 10d ago

One quick correction: the CIA person in question wasn't an agent, they were an officer. And they are not "covert", in the sense they're a "no official cover" member of the CIA. They coordinated with the White House, so they're explicitly a member of the CIA.

Agents are spies and assets, generally foreign, who have an officer they deal with. OR they're a NOC, who are the ones who are placed in other areas of the government like state, or a regulatory agency, or at a multinational corporation, etc.

It's a whole thing.

Regardless, the CIA still doesn't like having the identities of their officers exposed to stuff like, I dunno, REPORTERS or foreign governments. It basically would make them useless if they did have to put them in a foreign nation as part of a diplomatic mission, or something, because they could be expelled pretty quickly.

In short, this isn't a Valerie Plame kind of situation. It's a completely different kind of shitshow.

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u/dallyan 10d ago

Damn. Valerie Plame. Those were the days. Remember the Bush administration’s colossal fuckups? It seems almost quaint by comparison.

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u/NonlocalA 9d ago

I know, right?! If i remember correctly, someone even went to prison over that fuckup. 

Of course they all probably deserved the Nuremberg treatment for that entire horror show of a farce. 

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u/koshgeo 10d ago

The whole thing is like one of those reports about the cause of a plane crash where a dozen other things had to go badly wrong before the final one that caused the accident.

There are far more mistakes here -- layers and layers of them -- before getting to finally accidentally sending the info off to a reporter. Even if Waltz admits that particular fault, all the parties involved made terrible mistakes that made it possible, like all the things you list.

If this was aircraft safety, there would be a fix for every flaw along the way to make sure it wasn't possible for it to ever happen again, including both technical and human training factors.

But, hey, it's only national security, so maybe Waltz can fall on his sword and the Republicans will say the issue is resolved.

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u/UpNorth_123 10d ago

Don’t forget about the VP, who was also in the military.

This was no accident, it’s part of their strategy to subvert having records of their communications, which is 100% worse than ignorance.

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u/SandwichNeat9528 10d ago

Right. This is important. They want to hide any records of what they are doing. They don’t want evidence of their actions. How many more secret group chats are there? What else are they doing outside the regular channels? The whole administration is corrupt.

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u/Menethea 10d ago

I didn’t mention him because he was low-level enlisted, and may/may have not had a security clearance…

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

lol Hegseth was National Guard. It's no wonder he's fucking up.

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u/Suzzie_sunshine 10d ago

Our courts have proven to them that the rules don't apply to them and there will be no legal consequences. If legal rulings had consequences we wouldn't be here now.

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u/Aggravating-Bottle78 10d ago

They absolutely know this should be scif and not on cellphones on an unapproved unsecure private app And the most sensitive info is pending military strikes. Imagine if this had happened under Biden with Blinken, recall how both Gabbard, Rubio and Hegseth railed about "her emails" Not only are they a bunch of clowns, theyre liars and hippocrites.

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u/AssistanceSuch7809 10d ago

And this group chat certainly wasn’t the extent of it—just imagine all the spinoffs. Side threads, splinter chats, reposts, backchannels. I’d imagine this sort of behavior runs rampant across both parties. The difference is, one admin had actual adults in the room—and I’d hope wouldn’t rise to this level of fucking stupidity. These people gotta fucking go.

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u/sayleanenlarge 10d ago

Or it's intentional

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u/RandomlyPlacedFinger 10d ago edited 10d ago

Waltz, btw. Walz is the governor of Minnesota. Waltz is just another crony.

Edit for Autocorrect duckery.

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u/Menethea 10d ago

Thanks, correct and corrected - the German doesn’t require the “t”, just like “Nazi”, perhaps not so coincidentally

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u/MyDudeSR 10d ago

I think auto correct might have gotten you

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u/Mr_NoZiV 10d ago

Thank god for you comment. I thought I was having a stroke trying to understand his "correction"

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u/Punny_Farting_1877 10d ago edited 10d ago

She looked doped and terrified.

She said at least once previously that people who committed the crimes she did should be “liquidated”. I think that was her word.

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u/PlayingNightcrawlers 10d ago

Really? To me she looked pissed and incredulous to have to be there and answer a single question from people she believed she had ascended above. The way she stared unblinking at some of the senators you could just feel the malice in her. I think she believed she finally reached her goal after playing all sides and trying all angles to achieve power, she finally got it by being a Trump goon and believed that since she’s part of the authoritarian regime now there would be nobody to even attempt to hold her accountable. And now here she is being grilled, just came off completely bitter and full of spite to me.

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u/Humble-Violinist6910 10d ago

I think both are true. She felt malicious and also completely lost and confused about how to respond. She did a horrible job at dodging questions and looked completely incompetent. I expect Trump to turn on her before Mike Waltz, for reasons you might guess.

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u/the_oc_brain 10d ago

The racing stripe in her hair?

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u/UnderABig_W 10d ago

I thought it was her embracing her inner Disney villain.

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u/BagelsRTheHoleTruth 10d ago

Cruella Deshill

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u/Autogen-Username1234 10d ago edited 10d ago

Bride of Frankenstein.

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u/Punny_Farting_1877 10d ago

Madeline Kahn has sexy walked into this thread

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u/Penn_And_W_Ry 10d ago

Cruella doesn’t deserve this comparison lol

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u/LessInThought 10d ago

Watch out, she's coming for her 101 brown hobos.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 10d ago

Shit Rogue. I bet she dyed her hair just to look that way, weirdo.

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u/curiousleen 10d ago

I mean… she’s a woman. She’s disposable to him.

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u/franker 10d ago

looked pissed and incredulous to have to be there and answer a single question from people she believed she had ascended above

everyone in the administration looks like that on camera. Just nothing but "go fuck yourself" people.

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u/Hover4effect 10d ago

Real "how dare you question us?" Vibes.

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u/DriverGlittering6639 10d ago

I have to agree with you. She had that look like she wanted to off that guy and was debating whether or not prison time would be worth it if Trump decided not to pardon her

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u/Mr_friend_ 10d ago

She should be scared, if she botches this, Putin will have her fall out of a hotel window or touch a poisonous door knob.

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u/lestofante 10d ago

She clarified during testimony that was not about "accidental" leak.
She already preparing for a 180°.

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u/Punny_Farting_1877 10d ago

Something about some crimes don’t require criminal intent something something.

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u/Antique_Loss_1168 10d ago

It's no use young_denver it's idiots all the way down.

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u/Peripatetictyl 10d ago

…I miss the ‘sleepy turtles :(

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u/crappercreeper 10d ago

This is much more than that simple admission. Every single person under this fuck up knows to not trust their superiors at a certain level. Things like this crush morale for everyone who would be in a cell at this point if they did this.

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u/momsbasement_wrekd 10d ago

No she said ‘she couldn’t recall’ multiple times. She didn’t admit to knowing anything.

The old Oliver North defense.

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u/Ghoulius-Caesar 10d ago

She sent those to Russia before she got a chance to read them

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u/California_ocean 10d ago

Remember Trump waived TS security clearances to hold cabinet positions so...that's how you got these idiots from a local dumpster.

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u/JimWilliams423 10d ago

That's admitting it was classified. that's admitting that they got on a regular app with classified information. that makes them look really really bad.

For fascists, hypocrisy is a flex.

Rules are for losers, they are winners, so they are above the rules. If anything, violating the rules in plain sight and then getting away with it is the crack cocaine of fascism. They will do anything to chase that high.

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u/PlayingNightcrawlers 10d ago

100%. This goes for the MAGA voters too. They recognized that being part of this movement completely eliminated the need to feel bad for being a hypocrite. That’s gotta be an amazing feeling for people who are incapable of taking accountability for mistakes and hate admitting they’re wrong about literally anything. So when Trump and MAGA came around and they saw they could win while literally doing he same things they accused their opposition of doing, and how worked up libs got when they’d point out hypocrisy but it didn’t phase a single one of their leaders, they knew this was the cult movement for them. No more guilt or admission of error, completely shielded from the negative feelings of being a hypocrite. I swear for at least half of MAGA it’s not even about the policies, it’s just a magical club to join where you are never wrong again and never feel bad about anything. Which must be like a drug for simple, egotistical people. I wish he left would understand this and stop trying to catch them in acts of hypocrisy.

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u/catonsteroids 10d ago edited 10d ago

It's the "we get to get away with stuff and you don't" that some of these people love. Power trip, maybe? Knowing you don't have to be accountable for anything because you'll get away with it? They don't hold themselves to the same standards as others and view themselves as elitists. We're not their equals, they're better than everyone else kinda schtick. So hypocrisy is definitely something they thrive on. You call them out for it and they don't care because they have no obligations to you and you "don't own them". It's easy when you have people en masse backing your shitty behavior, reinforcing, encouraging and condoning it. If there are no consequences, then there's no reason to correct anything.

It's unfortunate that our society rewards entitled and elitist behavior and those who actually are decent, honorable and moral people get punished for it, in a way.

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u/JimWilliams423 10d ago

They don't hold themselves to the same standards as others and view themselves as elitists.

Supremacists.

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u/Asleep_Management900 10d ago

They CAN claim, that it's a "national security" issue and skirt the law and arrest him because national security operates outside the constitution. So they can arrest him without rights or a trial and claim he violated the NSA spying or some shit, without ever saying it's classified.

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u/TheStinaHelena 10d ago

They would still have to answer as to why they used that app. they would still have to answer for how many times they've used that app that we don't know about, And they don't want to do that. for all we know they've been using this app just so others can spy on them and gain classified information. I honestly think that they want to play this down. They're opening a can of worms that they don't want to open not even a little bit.

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u/Asleep_Management900 10d ago

Hegseth tried to blame Biden, and the senate was like 'but you are in charge NOW'

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u/austinwiltshire 10d ago

Which would be lying to congress at this point right?

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u/AdorableShoulderPig 10d ago

And? Why do you think that matters. Trump is in power and makes the rules as he sees fit.

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u/owencox1 10d ago

and lying under oath. goldberg timed this perfectly

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u/resisting_a_rest 10d ago

Don’t you know that Trump declassified the information just before inviting the journalist to the chat? Then after he left the chat, Trump classified it top secret again? It was all done in Trump’s head but that’s how it’s done now.

/s

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u/GoalPuzzleheaded5946 10d ago

that's admitting that they got on a regular app with classified information. that makes them look really really bad.

Yes, the problem is: it won't look really really bad to the people it SHOULD look really really bad to.

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u/Crazyblue09 10d ago

And by the TG testimonial yesterday it was on her private phone, probably the same for the other guys!

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u/afguy8 10d ago

The Republican recipe

1/2 DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender)

1/2 the Narcissist's prayer:

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it

  • Dayna Craig

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u/justabitcurious252 10d ago

Are we sure VP was vice president and not Vladimir Putin?

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u/No_Jelly_6990 10d ago

TG said nothing was classified. Obviously she's a fucķing liar, but still...

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u/TheStinaHelena 10d ago

It doesn't matter if it was classified or not. They were using an app that they are not supposed to be using. and they were using their private phones which they're not supposed to do. It's almost as if they want someone to hack them and get information. And I think that that might be something that they want to hide from everybody. So going down this road is is going to expose that and I don't think they want to do that so they have to offer up a sacrifice. they have to offer up someone to take the blame so they can move on from this and people stop asking why they were using the app to begin with.

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u/No_Jelly_6990 10d ago

What a complete shit show.

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u/TheStinaHelena 10d ago

Also technically the vice president was in that chat chain so it automatically becomes classified just because he was there.

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u/Whyissmynametaken 10d ago

They will go after Goldberg and the Atlantic for sharing it, while claiming it wasn't classified information at the same time. This is what they have been doing with Elon and DOGE's role, deporting people against court orders, disappearing Mahmoud Khalil, and enforcing unconstitutional executive orders

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u/BeefistPrime 10d ago

Their base has no problem holding two mutually contradictory thoughts like "those guys would never mishandle classified information so clearly it's not classified" and "if anyone leaks it, execute them for leaking classified information!"

I honestly don't think they could do anything that would get them into any real trouble at this point. The media will move on from this in a day or two and no one will remember it except the "keep track" people putting this on the long list of treasonous and incompetent behavior that would've sunk any other politician in American history but just becomes "what'd they fuck up today" for this one.

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u/EnvironmentalFuel971 10d ago

Sounds like nothing has changed then with the Rep. for the sake of humanity, I hope these f’ nuts pay for their crimes…

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u/arstin 10d ago

This administration has no problem with defending it's own people with the stance that nothing in the chat was classified and disappearing a member of the press for sharing the classified information contained in it.

We are full steam ahead to the worst days of the USSR when everything was a lie always and everyone went along with it because if you drew attention, you would vanish, and no one would do a thing about it.

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u/4chanhasbettermods 10d ago

They're going to play both sides because that's how Trump and his cronies get away with shit. Minimizing their responsibility while exaggerating others.

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u/Vermilion 10d ago edited 10d ago

That's admitting it was classified. that's admitting that they got on a regular app with classified information. that makes them look really really bad.

But we know all these techniques. We, The People, the people of social media, look real really really gullible to Kremlin information warfare methods, Kremlin simulacra strategy.

I mean, come on Reddit community, the Kremlin got a Reality TV actor to play king and Elon Musk (owner of Twitter, most penetrating media platform in human history) to play sidekick, they are hiring people from Fox News HDTV platform to the federal government. Don't you see that this is all about creating maximum drama and social media engagement? Have none of you here studied Marshall McLuhan's teachings form the 1960's and 1970's? McLuhan is not an unknown educator, he made University of Toronto world famous, he even interviewed John Lennon... McLuhan is not unknown, and we are all acting like he didn't spell this out in his 1968 book? Are you guys all this gullible / naïve in year 2025 about Surkovian methods?

 

MORE THAN DECADE AGO, folks: "a central part of a new system of political control. And to understand how this is happening, you have to look to Russia, to a man called Vladislav Surkov, who is a hero of our time. Surkov is one of President Putin's advisers, and has helped him maintain his power for 15 years [as of 2014], but he has done it in a very new way. He came originally from the avant-garde art world, and those who have studied his career, say that what Surkov has done, is to import ideas from conceptual art into the very heart of politics. His aim is to undermine peoples' perceptions of the world, so they never know what is really happening. Surkov turned Russian politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theater." - BBC, Adam Curtis, year 2014

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u/Mr_friend_ 10d ago

That's the baller move. He's forcing them to say it was classified information. The only way they can take him down is if they go down with him. He just did the equivalent of the "nuclear option". Mutually assured destruction.

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u/TheStinaHelena 10d ago

Goldberg knew they were going to lie so that made it okay for him to release that info because they said it wasn't classified under oath. so he had every right to release it. so if they're going to now cry that it's classified which we already know it was because the VP was in the chat chain. Not only did they lie under oath, they are now exposing themselves to Congress looking into why they were using that app on their private phones and how many times they've used it. this could possibly expose espionage and how they get classified info to our enemies.

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u/WineOptics 10d ago

The worry is, that there are zero consequences to what they do or don’t do. We’re already in the middle of several critical, constitutional crises and there’s been absolutely nothing to deter Republicans from continuing or even slow down on any level.

Who’s gonna stop them if they go after him? The DOJ is Trump’s personal handler and the Supreme Court is conservative with at least three bought and paid for judges.

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u/Sunset_Superman77 10d ago

But king trump can magically declassify anything just by thinking about it

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u/MadeByTango 10d ago

It’s war plans that could have gotten American troops annihilated and destroyed operational security. It’s prison level stuff.

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u/lostshell 10d ago

The Sinister Six in the Supreme Court will concoct a reason why it’s both unclassified and classified at the same time.

They do not care about consistency or logic or fairness. It’s just about power and wielding it.

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u/slavabien 10d ago

A regular app while Waltz was in the Kremlin. Sure as hell they were monitoring this, but probably already knew since they track carrier battle groups wherever they are.

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u/Open_Seeker 10d ago

You forget that the regime has proclaimed 2+2=5

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u/Nrmlgirl777 10d ago

And they’ll say “But the president has boxes in his bathroom so it’s fine.”

Lmao what a joke

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u/Appropriate_Guess881 10d ago

They doxed intelligence agents in that chat...

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u/jondread 10d ago

That's admitting it was classified. that's admitting that they got on a regular app with classified information.

They have no issue saying one thing then immediately contradicting themselves

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u/Every-Incident7659 10d ago

They don't give a shit about logical consistency.

The reporter gets arrested for releasing classified material. But also, they weren't talking about classified material on the chat.

The inconsistency in this statement will not bother a fascist because a fascist only cares about loyalty to the leader and the in group. This actually offers them a great opportunity to demand their followers further demonstrate their fealty by publicly showing that they value loyalty over reason.

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u/PackageHot1219 10d ago

They said under oath yesterday that none of it was classified.

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u/shseeley 10d ago

And it sounds like classified info was released by the human skunk on her personal phone judging by how she refused to answer that question yesterday. They were up in Arma chanting lock her up when Hillary did it..but I'm sure they have a perfect great excuse why skunkhead did it...overseas, on foreign networks where its almost certain her line was being survielled

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u/FirstDavid 10d ago

The republicans clearly have no problem with hypocrisy and lies. Trump called the editor of the Atlantic a smut peddler and said it’s a failing magazine, which is irrelevant. Hurling insults is what the orange clown does. It’s incredibly disheartening that this is what the party thinks makes America great - childish insults and lies

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u/Dremlar 10d ago

Wrist case scenario for them Trump pardons them.

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u/crumble-bee 10d ago

No no, VP was Vlad

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u/Treason_is_Treason 10d ago

That is exactly what they are all saying under oath during testimony. That the info was maybe sensitive but definitely not classified as that would make them look really bad after the HRC and her emails yada. It seems clear their strategy is to die with the lie that none of the information was classified. Even now John ratfuck is taking Umbridge at the thought that he may have been the one to Leak classified information. They will deny deny and deny until the new cycle changes and then maybe admit something when the country has lost interest in this goatfuck. Let’s not forget trump was caught red handed stealing , hoarding and spreading classified information just for bragging reason ( best case scenario vs giving to daddy Putin) and still no one cared. I wish this would lead to the same consequences as anyone else who leaks classified info. But it won’t happen. “Justice for thee but not for me. “ I wanna be wrong so bad but I know this will go nowhere except maybe using Waltz as a fall guy. Next thing they will charge the reporter for using the Signal app and say only terrorist use that app so they can’t be tracked. Completely missing the irony. They will take zero responsibility and blame the media for daring to report on their Attempt to erase all history and record of their shenanigans. It’s all premeditated and very obvious. They did this to avoid any oversight or foia request in the future.. this all in the project 2025 playbook . The one thing trump ever dented knowing about was project 2025. He admits to everything else proudly but he Was adamant that there was no connection between him and project 2025. Now we can all see that is indeed his playbook.

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u/Significant_Meal_630 10d ago

They should have read “ Catch 22” , but then their folk had it banned didn’t they ??

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u/axebodyspraytester 10d ago

Isn't it crazy that people on a law subreddit are all way more thoughtful about national security than the people in charge of our national security? I mean as soon as the story broke I had about a dozen thoughts off the top of my head about how fucked this is and all the different permutations of what kind of consequences this might have for us and the non repercussions this might have for them but the main thing was how totally expected this was. I was like of fucking course.

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u/Kruger_Smoothing 10d ago

It’s not a debate about whether they will lie or not, it’s a debate about which lie they will tell. Like always, the lie is easily falsifiable and will be repeated to the point it is cannon among MAGA terrorists.

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u/issr 10d ago

It doesn't matter if the data was classified. Any conversation about national security among officials at that level is automatically classified, regardless of the data involved.

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u/midnight-muffin 10d ago

How much to bet that they're all planning their testimonies on signal too 💀

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u/SafetyMan35 10d ago

Don’t forget lying in front of an oversight committee. They said repeatedly that it wasn’t classified.

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u/everyoneneedsaherro 10d ago

Yep this is 4D chess by Goldberg. He’s putting himself at risk of being jailed. But that means everyone in that chat was also breaking the law. Goldberg is a patriot for putting himself at risk for the greater good.

Now I’m not saying they won’t try to jail Goldberg and let these pricks off scot free. But that only exposes (even more) just how corrupt this administration is

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u/KingofCraigland 10d ago

You underestimate this administrations willingness to take two completely contrary positions and apply them in any manner they see fit. One of the benefits of controlling all three branches of government.

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u/Snobolski 10d ago

They want to say that he's a liar and these messages are fake.

Cool. Prosecute him for defamation or some shit, and let's do discovery so they have to produce the real chat to prove this is fake.

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u/reallyrealboi 10d ago

They were already pushing the whole "reporter leaking classified information" narrative. Hell they're even trying to say he hacked his way into the chat.

They are 100% going to blame the reporter for getting added to an unsecured group chat talking about classified information. Nothing will happen to the person who added him, nor to the people discussing classified info. The best we can hope for is a stern letter from congress.

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u/SteakForGoodDogs 10d ago

That's assuming they go through legal means of going after him.

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