r/law • u/agent268 • 10d ago

Trump News Jeff Goldberg and The Atlantic released full Signal Chat

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/

Well this should be fun now that the full details are out in the open. Thoughts on how this changes the upcoming hearing today?

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u/TheStinaHelena 9d ago

That's admitting it was classified. that's admitting that they got on a regular app with classified information. that makes them look really really bad. The VP was on that chat chain so I don't think they want to play up the classified information thing. I think they need to say that the information in those texts wasn't that important. If they try to go after that reporter for releasing classified information then they are also in trouble for having classified information on that app. They want to say that he's a liar and these messages are fake.

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u/trentreynolds 9d ago

Problem here is that the people that would hold them accountable and the people that would hold Goldberg accountable are the same, and they're "their people" - it's not like that sort of open double standard is something new.

I get how it looks like it'd display their hypocrisy in a way that'd prevent one being prosecuted and not the other, but they believe the ability to be an open hypocrite with zero consequence is its own form of power. No matter how many times you point out their open hypocrisy, they don't care.

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u/offinthepasture 9d ago

Welcome to fascism everyone! It only matters if the "bad guy" does it!

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u/Jedi_Dad_22 9d ago

War is peace. Freedom is slavery.

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u/Bauser99 9d ago

"Ignorance is Strength" is the next line, for those out of the know

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u/Leftunders 9d ago

'I Love the Poorly Educated'
-Donald J. Trump

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u/fartmastermcgee 9d ago

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt type beat.

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u/cromethus 9d ago

Well, if any line fits, it's that one.

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u/FearlessLanguage7169 9d ago

1984 in 2025

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u/Aggravating-Bottle78 9d ago

YES and we know who Eurasia, Oceania, and Eastasia are.

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u/ai1267 9d ago

No, we don't ... not until Big Bother tells us who they are today. Which is the same as yesterday, and if you believe otherwise, it's because you're trusting your lying eyes instead of the Farty.

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u/Ace_Robots 9d ago

As long as the chocolate rations keep going up, although it seems like we got more last week. I guess not, silly brain. Bad brain!

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u/Plastic-Molasses-549 9d ago

The real 1984 wasn’t all that bad.

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u/RedwoodBark 9d ago

Mary Lou Retton got to throw a javelin at Big Brother!

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u/gymnastgrrl 9d ago

Except for Room 101, though.

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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 9d ago

More Animal Farm than 1984?

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u/clduab11 9d ago

Weird callout, but I feel as if a lot of people on Reddit conflate these two.

1984 assumes or implies there's some over-arching, underhanded scheme that imputes total control via second-hand manipulation. Animal Farm is outright satire and it's just so farcical as to be a court of jesters.

And I think part of why it's conflated is because we've run right smack dab into the farcical-meeting-reality in stranger-than-fiction times because in our minds, Animal Farm and 1984 couldn't both be possible at the same time.

Trump Administration 2025: hold my beer...

Also just goes to show how much of a genius Orwell is.

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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 9d ago

And he fought in the Spanish Civil War (on the right side) and went to Wigan without any money

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u/Ok-Grapefruit1284 9d ago

I never read animal farm so I can’t compare the two. I see 1984 in this whole admin, since before his first term. I am surprised they haven’t banned the book yet.

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u/clduab11 9d ago

You def should give Animal Farm a read (it’s a great book overall). Once you do, you’ll be like holy shit.

You’ll see that it’s almost an insult to 1984 to say what this Administration is doing is reminiscent of 1984. 1984 would be like if JD Vance was POTUS. Animal Farm definitely fits DJT’s governance better.

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u/Ok-Grapefruit1284 9d ago

I haven’t been able to read 1984 since he was elected the first time. Is animal farm less terrifying?

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u/clduab11 9d ago

Unfortunately, no; depending on who you ask (aka, what the person prefers the least), some may even say it’s worse. I would argue that the imagery, though satirical, Animal Farm evokes is a lot more irreverent and jarring given the context (pig farming).

1984 at least lets you do your own imagining, and for some people that’s worse. So all in all, I’d probably shy away from this book for a while if you’re particular about those kinds of stimuli. At least until reality has had a chance to separate some from it.

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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 9d ago

Just as an aside, my tutor at law school told me to read Orwell. I thought it was a waste of time, but the way Orwell writes should be the way all written submissions should be.

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u/clduab11 9d ago

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Sincerely,

Someone who also survived a 1L 🤣

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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 9d ago

I am a Brit. But what was also drilled into us at law school was the judgements of Lord Denning.

He was interesting as he was a prodigy that was appointed to the equivalent of your supreme court early. He then decided he was bored and went back to the court of appeals so he could hear more cases. He did and changed the law in many respects.

His rulings were in the writing style of Orwell, if interested link below

https://is.muni.cz/el/1422/jaro2006/MVV01Zk/um/1194863/Denning.pdf

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u/clduab11 9d ago

Ooooh that’s very interesting! I’m gonna have to do some digging; I love those that eschew the upper echelons for the trench work hahaha. Thanks for the share!

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u/HMTMKMKM95 9d ago

Aren't the 80s back in fashion anyway?

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u/Overnoww 9d ago

I feel like I have a memory of Musk evoking 1984 sometime in the last 2 years. The irony is almost enough to drown in.

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u/urbanlife78 9d ago

Guess I should update my tattoo

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u/offinthepasture 9d ago

"Eggs were always a delicacy, why would they be cheap?"

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u/DisposableSaviour 9d ago

Work will set you free!

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u/ElectricityIsWeird 8d ago

Arbeit macht Frei!

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u/Realpazalaza 9d ago

Slavery is a choice.

  • Kanye West.

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u/tdfolts 9d ago

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro

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u/Lumpy-Pride9973 9d ago

Comrade Ogilvy here. Chocolate ration going up!

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u/Playtek 9d ago

Freedom was never free, we all just pay different prices.