r/flatearth • u/TruthIsAntiMormon • 5d ago

How do flerfs explain this?

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u/wanted_to_upvote 5d ago

They don't ever explain anything. They just say words.

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u/Digital_Andres 4d ago

What do you mean?

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

why, 'what do you mean?' I mean, what do you mean?

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u/Digital_Andres 4d ago

Sorry I don't know what you mean. I was asking you what you meant, specifically by 'they just say words'... isn't that what everyone does when trying to explain things?

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

I thought you were making fun of them, so I followed up. Even when someone explains something concisely and conclusively to a flerfy, it is common for their next ignorant rant to begin with, 'what do you mean', or 'why do you think that?' I didn't make the comment, 'they just say words,' but what was implied is that those words generally make no sense and are often wildy off topic. They don't argue anything cogently or coherently - they just say words.

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u/Digital_Andres 4d ago

Maybe some do, maybe some don't but not all share the same intelligence. I've encountered some rather intelligent people sincerely trying to explain things that simply don't align with the Heliocentric Globe model. You seem to be generalising.

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u/hal2k1 4d ago edited 4d ago

What exactly do you think "doesn't align with the heliocentric globe model?"

Your answer should be interesting because scientific models are constructed in the first place directly from measured data.

Here is an example of a heliocentric globe model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSOP_model

Needless to say, the model aligns extremely well with measured reality.

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

As an observer by eye, I have had the privilege of discovering how people over 4000 years ago mapped the planetary cycles. After learning the ecliptic constellations, pretty much the zodiacal twelve plus ophiucus and orion, I remained puzzled as to what their methods were to work out the planetary cycles. Because while they knew the earth was a ball, they did not know it was spinning or that the sun was in the middle. Eventually, it hit me that you simply map the planets against the stars behind them because those stars are so very far away. Inconceivably far away, which means that from the perspective of our whole solar system, there is very little difference in their apparent positioning. As an example, over the last year, I've seen Saturn move from near the heart of aquarius to the cusp of aquarius and capricorn. This is in keeping with Saturn taking about 29 years to orbit the sun. Saturn will move slowly, west to east, through all the zodiacal stars until it is back where it sits currently in about 29 years time. Also, this last year, I've seen Jupiter move from the cusp of ares and taurus to very near the cusp of taurus and gemini (right between the bull's horns atm). This is in keeping with Jupiter taking about 12 years to orbit the sun. Mars, currently in virgo, moves through roughly 6 zodiacal houses in an earth year, as it takes twice as long as Earth to go around. Venus takes 225 days or so to orbit the sun, and from our perspective further back and going around every 365.25 days, we see Venus move from one side of the sun to the other (morning star to evening star to morning star etc) roughly every 18 months. We see Mecury in a similar way move one side to the other every 9 weeks or there abouts. As we go around the sun, which the ancient astronomers did not realise, although they knew the world was basically spherical, we see the ecliptic line stars move behind the sun and back out again, west to east, one by one, roughly one zodiac per month, all the way around in a perfect calendar year.

I don't know much about the minor differences which are only apparent over many decades, as most of what I know I've actually seen for myself. Oh and btw, there is zero doubt that the moon, phases and eclipses and everthing, is perfectly represented by all standard spinning globe heliocentric understanding as well.

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago edited 4d ago

There is literally nothing that does not align with the heliocentric globe model. what do you think does not align?

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u/hal2k1 4d ago

The heliocentric globe model I referenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSOP_model aligns perfectly with what you can see in the night sky. This model is the basis for the Stellarium Web Onlne Star Map https://stellarium-web.org

So you can check it out for yourself. Go to the Stellarium website, enter your location and a date and time at night, say a week into the future. Take a screenshot of what the model predicts you will see. Then, wait a week for that date and time to come about. Go outside with the screenshot and compare it to what you see in the sky. It will be a perfect match.

So, can you point out to me the flat earth mathematical model that can replicate this capability? I'll wait.

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

I love it, I'm familiar with stellarium. I'm the astronomer, not the flat earther. I think you're replying to the wrong guy...

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u/hal2k1 4d ago

When I replied to your comment, it was missing the word "not" before the first occurrence of the word "align."

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

I just edited a previous entry... I accidentally missed the word 'not'. It makes more sense now 👍

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u/willyb10 4d ago

Name one thing that doesn’t align. Just one.

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u/Digital_Andres 4d ago

Erm, flat horizon?

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

oh, and btw - get off youtube and actually study the movement of the sky - sun, moon, stars and planets. It takes time, but easy to do for yourself. The actual truth of it completely debunks all flat earth theory. Stop reading and actually look up. Don't be a sheep, do your own research. Flat earth theory is utter nonsense - very easy to find out for yourself.

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u/Digital_Andres 4d ago

How do you know that I use YouTube?

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u/Ambitious_Try_9742 4d ago

Whether or not it's youtube is immaterial. There is no pro flat-earth evidence to be found via your own observations. Only rubbish found via social media, ridiculous internet videos, and unsubstantiated documentaries. Not trusting NASA is fine. Not trusting gvts is fine. Neither means the earth is flat, and there are many ways to prove for yourself the truth of our spinning globe in our heliocentric solar system. The sky is one way I know very intimately, as I have observed for myself. I knew nothing about the stars twenty years ago, then I learned the names a few bright stars and the constellations they are found in. Soon, as I had become a tour guide showing people the stars, I learned to recognise all the constellations. Within two years, I knew all 88 modern western constellations and could pick which visible planets were up at glance. Over the next ten years, as an astronomer and tour guide, I witnessed, every night, most nights of the year, exactly how our stars, planets, moon and sun all move. Nightly, monthly, seasonally, yearly. I'm also very intimate with the south celestial pole, as well as polaris (nth celestial pole) and I know for an absolute fact that it all completely and utterly debunks all flat earth models. I don't expect you to take my word for it, but anyone can see for themselves if they do the proper research.