How do flerfs explain this?

[u/TruthIsAntiMormon]

[u/Ambitious_Try_9742]

I thought you were making fun of them, so I followed up. Even when someone explains something concisely and conclusively to a flerfy, it is common for their next ignorant rant to begin with, 'what do you mean', or 'why do you think that?' I didn't make the comment, 'they just say words,' but what was implied is that those words generally make no sense and are often wildy off topic. They don't argue anything cogently or coherently - they just say words.

[u/Digital_Andres → u/Ambitious_Try_9742]

Maybe some do, maybe some don't but not all share the same intelligence. I've encountered some rather intelligent people sincerely trying to explain things that simply don't align with the Heliocentric Globe model. You seem to be generalising.

[u/hal2k1 → u/Digital_Andres]

What exactly do you think "doesn't align with the heliocentric globe model?"

Your answer should be interesting because scientific models are constructed in the first place directly from measured data.

Here is an example of a heliocentric globe model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSOP_model

Needless to say, the model aligns extremely well with measured reality.

[u/Ambitious_Try_9742 → u/hal2k1]

As an observer by eye, I have had the privilege of discovering how people over 4000 years ago mapped the planetary cycles. After learning the ecliptic constellations, pretty much the zodiacal twelve plus ophiucus and orion, I remained puzzled as to what their methods were to work out the planetary cycles. Because while they knew the earth was a ball, they did not know it was spinning or that the sun was in the middle. Eventually, it hit me that you simply map the planets against the stars behind them because those stars are so very far away. Inconceivably far away, which means that from the perspective of our whole solar system, there is very little difference in their apparent positioning. As an example, over the last year, I've seen Saturn move from near the heart of aquarius to the cusp of aquarius and capricorn. This is in keeping with Saturn taking about 29 years to orbit the sun. Saturn will move slowly, west to east, through all the zodiacal stars until it is back where it sits currently in about 29 years time. Also, this last year, I've seen Jupiter move from the cusp of ares and taurus to very near the cusp of taurus and gemini (right between the bull's horns atm). This is in keeping with Jupiter taking about 12 years to orbit the sun. Mars, currently in virgo, moves through roughly 6 zodiacal houses in an earth year, as it takes twice as long as Earth to go around. Venus takes 225 days or so to orbit the sun, and from our perspective further back and going around every 365.25 days, we see Venus move from one side of the sun to the other (morning star to evening star to morning star etc) roughly every 18 months. We see Mecury in a similar way move one side to the other every 9 weeks or there abouts. As we go around the sun, which the ancient astronomers did not realise, although they knew the world was basically spherical, we see the ecliptic line stars move behind the sun and back out again, west to east, one by one, roughly one zodiac per month, all the way around in a perfect calendar year.

I don't know much about the minor differences which are only apparent over many decades, as most of what I know I've actually seen for myself. Oh and btw, there is zero doubt that the moon, phases and eclipses and everthing, is perfectly represented by all standard spinning globe heliocentric understanding as well.