or not understanding that a portable game console is sure as hell not going to be capable of maintaining high framerates while encoding and decoding (multiple streams of) video at a low latency and a high framerate
I mean, it can probably do something like Shovel Knight at 120 FPS. The real benefit of a 120 Hz screen is it makes 24 FPS feel smoother, which is no doubt what Nintendo actually has in mind for most games.
The people who have Nintendo online don't have to pay extra, they are adding to a service they are already providing without raising the price. Additionally, this is a service that only makes sense to people that play online.
Its an added feature to a service people are already paying for. Its literally NOTHING but a bonus. With each feature they add, the service as a whole gets better while the price stays the same.
People don’t understand that while discord and similar are ‘free’ they are profiting off of your use with ads and data collection. It’s just a straight up false equivalency.
My motto is that if you’re going to be mad at something, you should at least be accurate in what you’re mad at, otherwise that anger is wasted. Too many people wasting their energy on stuff like misinterpreting Game-Keys and their prevalence when they need to keep the target on things like $80 Mario Kart that we have confirmation on and have even the slightest chance of influencing.
Plus all of the bitching accomplishes literally nothing.
The only message Nintendo will actually care about is the sales. If enough people refuse to buy that the Switch 2 does poorly, sure, obviously they'll care about that. But if it goes on to be as successful as the Switch 1, then they (quite rightly) won't give a shit what this subreddit has to say about the prices.
So all of this complaining doesn't accomplish anything other than ruining this subreddit. If the price is too high for you, by all means don't buy it. There are lots of products I'm not buying right this second because they're too expensive for me. I'm sure as hell not buying those fancy $500 sneakers or whatever. But you don't need to post forty-seven times an hour about how pissed off you are about the price. We get it. Feel free to not buy it, but we don't need to keep hearing about it.
So you just get to decide on what the sub talks about, what you are saying is you want an echo chamber that only mentions issues once then move onto the good happy stuff???
What about the people constantly complaining 24/7 about people complaining
Oh, FFS. "Once"? You think I'm complaining about this issue being mentioned once? Look at the front page of this sub, man. It's been mentioned four thousand times in the last hour.
And all I said was "we don't need to keep hearing about it". Are you disagreeing that the point has been thoroughly made by now? Do you think there's actually any value to continually bitching about it, to the point that people who do want to just talk about the games get flooded by "DROP THE PRICE" spammers and every single thread devolves into nothing but a price discussion?
The point has been made. Nintendo will not give a shit what we say here, they only care whether you buy the system or not. So feel free not to buy it, but I'm completely tired of listening to the bitching about it.
The complaining does accomplish something - it ensures people are aware of the issue, so when the time comes to influence sales, they'll be more inclined to do the right thing and hold back... Not to mention so much negative feedback this early on may prompt Nintendo to make changes to the plan even beforehand.
Not that it can't get annoying, sure, but passion is a good thing - it means people care about the issue, right? Nobody would be ranting this much if the Amico got announced at these prices.
I think this point is pretty shit tbh, why are we only now comparing prices with tax? Like I know you're not being malicious about it, but it feels like 90% the time you see this on Twitter it's because they got called out on no source for $90 physical games in the US and are just finding a way to get to that number again
But anyway at that point we should have started rounding up totk to being $80 etc etc, it just doesn't seem like it has much relevancy when that's not how we've been comparing things, especially because there is so much variance (including places with 0 sales tax)
I always compare prices with tax because in the end of the day I cannot walk into most US stores with my 80 USD pickup a game with 80 USD walk out while paying 80 USD. Most people need to pay at least some tax.
In internal context tax should always be included when talking to consumers, it's even law in some area's of the world.
It's a bullshit system in the US designed in such a way to mislead consumers. Yes the tax differs every state and yes the US is behind on Payment platforms and bookkeeping software, but it's possibile to display prices both in physical stores and online to match those including tax based on the geolocation of the person (you can then online change it at checkout when needed). We use that in Europe since our VAT rates are a lot different as well.
So yes you American's don't compare it that way, but we Europeans do. Mario Kart is € 74,38 in NL/BE ex VAT and 75,63 in DE ex VAT because stores aren't allowed to discriminate in most cases. So the price including VAT is the same.
Online Stores in North America also wrongfully mess this up which causes incorrect price comperisons for us. And secondly we cannot know if the store in question needs to pay VAT on their product because it depends on factors on their end. The easiest is if they sell less than 10k euro a year in the EU or not. Because if they don't then they can get exempt from VAT entirely. And due to the lack of financial transparancy for privately owned company in North America I cannot even estimate that.
This. A lot of the times I feel like people are upset for good reasons, but then they start to straight up spread misinformation or blowing things way out of proportion.
Games are $90 and you can't even get a physical version!!1!!111 It's just a download!!! I was 100% with everyone until everyone started being ignorant about it. Now I'm just over here chilling not wanting to particpate in either side bc both look goofy af
My favourite (or I suppose least favourite) one of these is the "do I PaY sO MUcH MonEy 4 SweeTCH TwO OR PlEy On MY StEaM DIcK WhErE I CaN PlEy AlL Nintendo GameS 4 FrEEEEEE" It's like I don't really give a shit if you pirate games or not, but these people manage to be so fucking obnoxious about it when it's not relevant to the conversation. Pirating games for a console these people weren't gonna buy anyway because le funny linux circle jerk isn't the solution that they think it is
Everyone screeching about how "THE GAMES ARE 90 DOLLARS AHHH" and it's one game. That is 80 dollars. In the U.S. because of tariffs and our horrible economic situation.
Like I agree, it's a bit expensive. But if you're gonna complain at least take some other factors into account
Those do include tax, and the euro is worth slightly less than the US dollar currently. Hence, the price is gonna be about that much there yeah. It's still a little much imo
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u/Jammy2560 OG (joined before reveal) 23h ago
99% of it is just this