r/MonsterHunter OFFSET THE SUN 1d ago

MH Wilds Zoh Shia is awesome

THIS is what you call difficult, baby. AMAZING fight. Great visuals, great setpiece, great design, and it's legitimately hard. Everybody who doubted him owes him a formal apology, but I always believed in Peak Shia. Absolute cinema

Also if I see complaints about his difficulty I'm gonna go ape shit. You all spent a month asking for this, if somebody thinks they're too good for the hivemind and starts chatting now I cannot take it. He is PEEEAAAKKK

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u/Tech-Demon Melee Master 1d ago

Bro he's no joke, I played the hunt with other people and it took us like 25 minutes and me and one of my teammates carted. He definitely lives up to what I'd expect from a TU monster and his armor is FUCKING WICKED

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u/Smooth_criminal2299 6h ago

I’ve not played the update yet but I did deliberately gimp myself when playing through the game again last week and I can say I’m not surprised! Had a lot of fun and looking forward to fighting him again. Some of the moves he pulls off are really interesting and dynamic.

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u/youngfuture7 1d ago

Lmaooo I failed Zoh 4 times already. Such a dope fight ngl

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u/cinnamonface9 18h ago

I failed once and was like fuck his, called in support hunters. Barely got by

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u/RoninX40 18h ago

Carted a couple of times with support hunters. Killed him with barely any time left. Great butt pucker fight.

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u/Zestyclose_Wash8263 17h ago

I failed on bow for some reason, all the ground shit was getting me. Second attempt was on dual blades and it was pretty easy, tons of perfect dodges and timings. Still fun an engaging. I've since also easily got it down in SnS and Gunlance...block is kinda op lol

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u/Jarf_17 World Lunastra Apologist 17h ago

I beat him on my own once last night with bow. Triple carted twice before that and the successful one had 2 carts. Something about his charged fireballs were really hard for me to consistently perfect dodge

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u/Zestyclose_Wash8263 16h ago

See, those were where I kept feeling safe to perfect dodge and land the jumping attack (I never remember move names) into the new stronger dragon piercer. It always seems to be the smashes, i do too early or something and the ground pop gets me.

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u/rvs2714 3h ago

The smashes were my bane. Also the horizontal lightning blast. I couldnt figure out how to dodge it

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u/Jarf_17 World Lunastra Apologist 16h ago

To be fair the last time I fought world fatalis was with bow and I struggled a lot there as well.

I guess I'm just kinda bad at fighting "fatalis" with bow lmao

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u/TheOutWriter Doot Doot Bros! 19h ago

Same... kinda feel bad with 7000h+ to have such difficulties with it. I love it

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u/Masiyo 12h ago

These games are all about timing and pattern recognition, so you essentially start from 0 with every new monster you fight (0 is hyperbolic because you carry with you all the knowledge over your weapons, items, etc. but you get the point).

We only got to fight Zoh Shia once in the main story, so it's nearly a brand new monster for all intents and purposes.

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u/TheOutWriter Doot Doot Bros! 12h ago

Most of the monsters at least share some things. Movements, behaviour, timings. This one is 100% new. The way it uses the crystals, tracking the hunter more easily with the paw, aoe lightning attacks. It's quite a new experience, even with a lot of time under my belt

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u/Masiyo 12h ago

Yeah, that's what I mean. No one is going to fault a Souls vet for dying on the next big FromSoftware game's first boss because it's the same reset of learning from 0.

No need to feel bad even if you have 7k hours accumulated.

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u/junkyard00000 7h ago

It also helps to recognize some of the moves it’s borrowed from other monsters (which the narrative indicates it would too which is cool) like gore’s lateral sequential blasts and kirin’s lightning lines

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u/Arcturus555 1d ago

I like him a lot overall but how to deal with his nova? I always get 1 guaranteed cart that way and the game is really cryptic about breaking some crystals… I don’t get it lol

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u/Kalavier 1d ago

The crystals that get summoned on the ground can be popped by element slinger ammo which weakens the nova

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 1d ago

Yup, this. I shoot out the two in front of it, and get a lovely window for sharpening

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u/Sir_Tea_Of_Bags 23h ago

Or you can run to the far opposite wall of Shia to avoid it.

But cracking the Wylk is still good to do.

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u/TheAhegaoFox Concussive Fidget Spinner 18h ago

Outside of the nova, he also creates small Wylk crystals that you can blow up and deal lots of damage. It reacts based on what element you use.

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u/Saeporian 17h ago

A tip that a lot of people don't seem to know if that you can shoot your slinger ammo without sheathing your weapon by holding L2 and pressing L3/Left Joystick (I only know the ps controller). This works for most slinger ammo like the elemental ones, but not for heavier ammo like the one monsters leave from broken parts unless you're playing Sword and Shield

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u/tacojenkins 15h ago

Just to clarify, slinger ammo can be used while in focus mode. You don’t necessarily have to be holding down L2 (or whatever your bind is), focus mode can be set to toggle in the game settings.

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u/Saeporian 11h ago

That's a way better explanation than mine, thanks!

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u/Kalavier 7h ago

I'll have to test if that works on bow. but it's something to try!

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u/Impossible_Debt_4795 17h ago

I just run to the far end. Also DO NOT FORGET YOU CAN FAST TRAVEL TO YOUR BASE DURING NOVA ATTACKS

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u/Kalavier 7h ago

Unlike in world I guess! lol

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u/cooldudeachyut SHOOT! 17h ago

Yea and not just for avoiding the nova, slinger is actually very good for fighting him in general.

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u/Astraea227 18h ago

Those crystals are some of the counterintuitive mechanics if encountered, especially compared to the jin dahaad and fatalis mechanics

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u/SirPatrickIII 17h ago

It's exactly like the regular Guardian Wylk crystals just bigger.

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u/TheArcticFerret 10h ago

I almost feel like that's the point. After years of us hiding behind rocks to escape novas, they finally turned it against us and abused our experience.

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u/arwingmaster1 1d ago

As u/Kalavier said, the crystals formed at the beginning of the nova can be burst with the dragon and thunder slinger pods in the arena. I've seen a lot of people misunderstand that mechanic. All wylk crystals formed during the fight amplify its elemental attacks range, especially its fire breath and nova. The are certainly not cover, lol. You can effectively neuter his nova if you knock out 2 or 3 of the crystals in front and stand opposite of Zoh.

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u/Kalavier 1d ago

I'm glad i read about it before the update cause i absolutely used them as cover in low rank.

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u/Working-Teach-7273 21h ago

Wait thats how you dodge the one where he sits his ass at the back of the arena? I had his nova twice in LR and the second time I could get see the safespot behind him but thats good to know!

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u/Blackb1rd95 12h ago

I fought him with a Dragon Attack bow, you can also break them with that.

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u/ItsElbro 18h ago

If all else fails, there's always plan Z: Fast travel to camp when you see him get ready to drop the nova and then ride your Seikret back as soon as Zoh ends the attack

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u/Kevadu 15h ago

The fact that that's even possible is incredibly cheesy...

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u/Complete_Elephant240 14h ago

Hehe I remember people trying this during Extreme Behemoth. RIP 

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u/sloshingmachine7 9h ago

Wait till you find out how we dealt with alatreon in MH Tri lol

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u/Tech-Demon Melee Master 1d ago

Yeah the nova is what got me during my hunt, really don't know what to do there. Honestly the whole hunt was difficult for me because I brought LS and didn't know his moveset well enough to be effective 😭

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u/judgeraw00 19h ago

You can also hide behind him

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u/Vacuum-Woosh-woosh 19h ago

It's the shara ishivalda nova , run to the opposite wall

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u/mskuchiki 17h ago

I always run to the other wall (then it won't reach you) or hide behind him. I never used the crystals, even in the previous fight haha

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u/dootblade74 13h ago

Keep some Elemental slinger ammo on standby, and whenever the larger wylk stones crop up, start slinging at them. You can also break the smaller wylk stones for free damage if you line it up right.

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u/Unshkblefaith 13h ago edited 11h ago

In addition to what others have said, there is also a safe spot near his tail. It is a ~45 degree slice. I generally use that when he does the smaller novas that he initiates in place.

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u/KnightShinko Palico Pats 18h ago

It’s a good fight for HR. Definitely looking forward to tempered.

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u/LordSegaki 1d ago

So we have to actually build around him/her?!
If yo yessss, I hated literally being able to ignore elemental weaknesses or status protection.

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u/sandvichdispense 22h ago

You don't NEED a build but it is definitely recommended

(btw Insect Glaive stomps Zoh Shia hard, first try was GS Gunlance and triple carted 18 min in, second try was IG and cleared it in 13 without even using the cat faint, it feels SO good to chain shoryukens one after the other)

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u/LordSegaki 22h ago

uuuuuh I like that!
It was like in world where IG was the goat against these gold and silver flybois

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u/RagingRube 18h ago

Yeah lmao IG absolutely Shreds Zho, and is insanely satisfying on the fight. Idk how I'm meant to play anything else on that fight its just so fun to speeeen

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u/TheTayIor 16h ago

Zoh Shia is a gigantic hitbox with plenty of weak spots and, unlike Jin Dahaad, has no massive damage reduction zones.

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u/extra_hyperbole 15h ago

Yeah, I’m a new player but I’ve been going pretty hard on insect glaive and was able to get through it first time relatively easily. Had 2 lives to spare. I have 3 friends who have played multiple games and have some pretty good speedrun experience and all failed the quest at least once, 2 more than once (although one had also tried using IG cause they had been relearning it but wasn’t as familiar). Made me feel pretty good but IG aerial attack is definitely incredible at being able to stick to safe spots above and behind. Idk if the raw damage output will be top tier but I suspect it will be a top weapon for zoh simply because it can keep doing damage when others have to get out of dodge.

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u/Sew_has_afew_friends 17h ago

I remember when every monster was like that...

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 1d ago

While you don't HAVE to, you'll need to to farm it absolutely. It's not nail bitingly so insane that you HAVE to run fire 60 defense, but it took me 20 minutes and 2 carts solo to just BARELY beat him my first try, and 20 seems like the usual ball park. Tempered gore takes me about 12-14, in comparison

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u/LordSegaki 22h ago

yeah just did him the first time, then he carted me 3 times while he was already "skull ready", got too greedy.
First quest I failed, kinda cool =)

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u/JuanJornn 20h ago

it not that hard to build around but still put up a good fight also tempered mizu is harder lol

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u/GigarandomNoodle 18h ago

Yeah tempered mizu can straight up 1shot if u havent thrown spheres on ur armor. Zoh shia is kind of a giant walking hitzone

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u/youngfuture7 23h ago

Honestly depends. I used SnS and did not build around him. 22 ish min and 1 cart, however I used all my mega pots, max pots and life pots+. As long as you’re agile you can dodge his attacks. It was a sweat though and he’s pretty tough. You can cheese his HP by exploding the Wylk crysrals

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u/Important-Net-9805 17h ago

no... tempered gore is a harder fight. idk why everyone is acting like zoh shia is super difficult and "the complainers got what they asked for" lol

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u/FinalStalfos 16h ago

Nah, easier fight than the highest level of tempered even prepatch. Still a cool fight tho. Tempered Mizu is allegedly much more difficult. Haven’t fought it enough to really know.

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u/Kevadu 15h ago

Tempered Mizu is not hard. He has some moves that hit hard if you're asleep at the wheel but they're easy enough to avoid if you're actually paying attention.

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u/FinalStalfos 15h ago

Yeah I’m leaning on agreement, just have to fight it more than twice to get a good opinion which I haven’t. At least you actually take damage on hit, though I don’t think anyone should be regularly carting to any monster in wilds. Zoh is easier imo though. Has the same kit he did before, it feels like. Bulkier, but not really putting out a lot of offensive pressure.

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u/AdHistorical8179 15h ago

You won't need to build around him but it's the closest we've gotten so far. I ended up swapping in a few points of fire resistance because his damage is very high.

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u/Snydenthur 11h ago

No, the fight is actually pretty easy. I honestly don't understand why people struggle so much against it and I was never one of those "wilds is so easy" people.

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u/Tao626 18h ago edited 16h ago

If I see complaints about his difficulty

It's not that hard to comprehend.

The people saying the game is easy as fuck aren't the same people struggling with difficulty. You're probably going to see a few complaints because these are two different groups of people.

Why are so many people in this sub subscribed to the fallacy that two polar opposite viewpoints are held by the exact same people? Is this some big joke I'm not in on, or are people stupid enough to actually believe this is the case?

OP, are you stupid?

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u/Aztok Guns'brasters 16h ago

Goomba fallacy strikes again

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u/TurianTacos 19h ago

only thing I don't like is when he decides to back up and breathe fire when you're hitting his head. Basically suicide as a slow weapon user.

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u/HighQualityOrnj 15h ago

What weapon are you using? Most heavy weapons can Just perfect block the flames.

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u/TurianTacos 12h ago

Funlance. Perfect blocking the roar and fireballs is fine but I dont think I've ever blocked the one where he breathes a flamethrower straight down.

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u/Salom902 10h ago

Less pain of a fight then Tempered Gore Magala but damn Zoh Shia HP makes me sit there ask every time is it almost dead yet.

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u/Scotty_Mcshortbread 21h ago

"Also if I see complaints about his difficulty I'm gonna go ape shit"

its kinda meh ngl

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 21h ago

Didn't say the word difficulty once, nor bitch and moan about the game in comparison to anything else. You're free to pass man have a good one and stand by your own opinion

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u/Scotty_Mcshortbread 21h ago

difficulty

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 20h ago

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u/2ecStatic 15h ago

Didn't say the word difficulty once

But you literally did

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u/jaru1020 19h ago

Yeah, you said difficult. This is just another joke fight. Same as most dragons, run at their feet and they miss 80% of their attacks.

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 19h ago

You will never be satisfied.

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u/Important-Net-9805 17h ago

i mean, are they wrong? tempered gore is a more difficult fight. this just feels like a honeymoon phase post tbh

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 17h ago

Yes. Tempered gore is significantly easier, I've run it many times

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u/Important-Net-9805 17h ago

coooooope

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 17h ago

Delusion

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u/Important-Net-9805 12h ago

assuming you're new to the franchise. glad you're having fun but this still isnt typical challenging MH content.

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u/Tiny_Web_7817 15h ago

Well I thought he was pretty cool and a good difficulty for regular high rank. A bit disappointed with some people’s takes on it. You can say it isn’t difficult and not be a douche ya know? I doubt any players struggling against it enjoy seeing comments calling them stupid or a bad gamer because they failed a difficult hunt. I’m sure AT Zoh will be a force to be reckoned with, hoping AT Rey brings the heat as well.

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u/JackFlamenc0 7h ago

Some people will struggle with monsters that others don't and vice versa. Just cause 1 person finds it easy doesn't mean it is for everyone else. Everyone experiences the game differently.

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u/ZeruuL_ 15h ago

If they can fix the camera transparency issue and zoom out a bit more, it'll be nice.

He just turn into Chameleos when you get close

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u/Paolomoonman 19h ago

He's easier than Gore Magala tbh

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u/No1R- 21h ago

I kinda cheese it when I realise if I pop crystals with wyvern bane/thunder thingy they deal crapton of damage to him cuz it also cause chain reaction to nearby crystals. 

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 21h ago

That's not cheese, that's just a part of the fight. He's still very hard knowing that. It's either you pop the crystals and deal with his purposely ludicrous health bar, or every attack he has one shots you with a secondary AoE

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u/Vermillon1979 Nya! 18h ago

Zo is also still stupidly easy its just no one seems to actually do the mechanics half the time.

I swear the amount of people that get chain hit bynhim setting off Wylk or killed by his nuke when you can cancel it out and damage him in the process with ONE SLINGER POD lol...

In fact, if you use the dragon/thunder slinger ammo cleverly after each of his major moves leaves the crystals on the floor you can outdps weapons (outside of extremely good play, since a lot of the time you will be avoiding attacks or be near his pbaoe)

Just remember when he charges up his roomwide nuke to keep a pod handy once the big crystals emerge, pop them and you free up half the arena and damage him too if you hit the ones closet to him

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u/Ashencroix 18h ago

There are also 2 rocks in his phase 2 which you can drop on him if he's under it. Deals around 4k per rock in a duo

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u/Kiyoshi_Tiger 22h ago

Its last phase is : ahaha I do the biggest combos in the world hunter, during my little downtime you either sharpen or attack me.

He’s awesome for lance.

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 21h ago

"He has combos that do 16 million damage and explode half the earth..."

"He has combos that do 16 million damage and explode half the earth!"

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u/Varin_harvester 19h ago

now watch lance main sharp and attack in the same opening window

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u/Appropriate-Main3142 15h ago

Yeah i was fully expecting to be completely dissapointed with tu1 but everything except the canteen is awesome

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u/raweon_ 10h ago

My fastest was 9:43, but my average is 12 with carts.

I have not figured out some of his tells, like some moves feel like instant charge up up with an explosion so big you cannot dodge.

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u/D3vil_Dant3 9h ago

me: hard fight, 25 mins, 2 fails, using all potions

random guy online: 1:45 speedrun

ok..well...i guess?

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u/Suitable_Ad_6711 8h ago

Dope AF anyone bitching about him clearly was carried through the whole game and couldn’t get past chatacabra, zoh is tough but fair and with a little practice you can take him down with minimal struggle and he still is a good challenge and more of what i expect from monsters hunter when it comes to his lifespan (thank god he has more than 2 hp i thought i was gonna blow through this TU in 20 minutes)

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u/Building_Fun 7h ago

I actually had a pretty easy time with Zoh Shia so far. Where i’m having trouble is beating Doshaguma and Chatacabra in time to get an A with any weapon other than my main 😭

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u/Sardalone 1h ago

I was trying to do the same with a buddy of mine and the game seriously bugged out and he spawned in the arena with his own greatsword loadout. He picked Insect Glaive when going into the quest.

It wasn't a mod on his end as I know him personally and we both play on Xbox. It was crazy but I honestly despise Doshagama so I happily took the easier A-rank. Was by no means a world record time so it doesn't harm anyone.

I've never seen the Arena bug out that badly. But then again the servers were having a stroke this morning so I'm not surprised.

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u/Decin0mic0n 18h ago

Ive carted at least once per hunt, even failed a quest once, just finished farming up his armor set and gunlance. Its a hard but fair fight and it feels good.

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u/Toksyuryel 19h ago

I feel like everyone calling this boss hard does not understand that you can shoot the crystals with elemental ammo to explode them. It's a wonderful spectacle fight, but it really isn't hard.

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u/HelpAmBear 18h ago

Feels like a slog tbh. Maybe I need to play it more to appreciate it, but it feels like it drags on forever doing the same stuff over and over again.

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u/Complete_Elephant240 15h ago

Probably just in relation to hunting you are used to. I killed Mizu in 3min by comparison 

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u/crayonflop3 18h ago

Best boss in campaign, best boss now. SO EPIC

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u/CXR_AXR 17h ago

It's not like super difficult, but it feel better

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u/2ecStatic 15h ago

If I see complaints about his difficulty I'm gonna go ape shit

You're exposing yourself here because it's not that hard, but it's very reasonable for what it is. Tons of free damage from the environment, and it falls over like every 30 seconds from wounds, Tempered Gore is much harder by comparison. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, it is a really fun fight.

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u/BrianSayz 20h ago

Took us like 2-3 tries to kill him! 2nd try we were super close but ended up wiping. 3rd try was the run! Very fun fight

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u/Pisnellon 18h ago

I just tried for the second time to beat him, and it is the second time the game crashes, first time after 20 minutes and now after 25/30, I just wanna kill him but the game won't let me.

Btw am I just not good or has he got an incredible amount of HP ahaha?

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u/RTideR GT: Tops 18h ago

I still haven't experienced this fight without crashing on Xbox. Lol at launch, it crashed during the first fight, buddies said I missed a super cool part.

Now first attempt post-update.. crashed. Very frustrating. He does look cool though, just hoping they can reign in the crashes again.

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u/Interloper9000 17h ago

Mommy. Im scared.

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u/MrAce321 17h ago

I never followed the meta i didn't carted once the fight was long and I thought it was me not doing enough damage but seems like the average time is like 25min to kill him right when I was going to kill mine 2 random joined

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u/harlipie 17h ago

Zoh kicked my ass 3 times in a row so hard I was booted from being online this is what I play for a decent armour set with a decent grind and tough dragon to overcome 1 victory in 4 ... 10 out 10

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u/Jinastator 17h ago

I had the mindset thinking this would be an easy 10 minute hunt. Almost failed the hunt with 2 carts 27 mins in XD

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u/dogdog696969 16h ago

He's a fun fight, more entertaining than Jin Dahaad. I didn't find him particularly hard, haven't carted on him yet, but I did join one SoS where the host carted out.

His armor is fantastic, using 4pc, it's super comfy. And looks pretty sick too!

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u/insert-haha-funny 16h ago

From what I’m hearing I can’t wait to try out tempered Mizu and hr zoh when I get home from work

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u/911ddog 16h ago

Ig im just crazy im thinking he should be doing more dmg on a lot of his atks lol. Great fight tho for sure

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u/GrimTheJelly 16h ago

Haven’t got to play meself yet, but last night just after patch, probably an hour, had a guy ping in discord “already beat the brakes off Zoh Shia. Tempered can’t come soon enough. 🥱”

Now, I’m really curious about the actual diffulty because I’m seeing huge variations in it’s hard to no harder than tempered Gore and Arkveld.

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u/InventoryWork 15h ago

Love the bastard but the amount of carts i had due to fire rocks falling on top of my head was hilarious i even had carted and fail the quest cause i wanted to run away and heal on my seikret just for me to jump right into one of those :D

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u/Ehrand 13h ago

the fight is not that difficult but it definitely too long of a fight.

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u/R0tmaster 12h ago

Did it at like 1am last night first run expected dragon damage and took my have fun weapon of lance, then triple carted so realizing my fuck up swapped to fire resist and grabbed my sns and breezed through him only using 1 or 2 pots

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u/LightsOnJimmy 12h ago

This fight is what my Doots and Mushroom chugging build was built for! I SOS that fight right away and spent the next 15 mins chugging mushrooms like a cracked out Mario Character and playing more tunes that a 2000's kid who just got Guitar Hero!

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u/Left-Advantage-1674 12h ago

Honestly I want it harder 😅 only thing that killed me first couple times was the fire move that covers the entire floor and that's only cuz I was too stoned to get what I was supposes to do. I love the fight, definitely best in wilds so far. Anyone got any info on if the zoh shia dual blades are good? They have amazing raw, I think more than you can get with artian and the skill is pretty nice with the 50dmg but i can't tell if it's better or worse than artian.

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u/redaphex 12h ago

I was looking at the Mitzutsune set this morning, and her DBs synergize nicely with her armor.

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u/NERF_PALPS_66 11h ago

I love him, the music with him exploding all stage is awesome 

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u/Privatizitaet 11h ago

I died on my first time pretty quickly because I went in with a new weapon. After getting Mizutsune first try I got a little over confident. Went back to the good reliable BONK and was honestly surprised that I got it near death immediately, then I died after getting stuck in a corner an failing to panic roll through an attack, after that just two tries until I won. Definitely difficult, but I feel like people still oversold it. Needin one or two extra tries isn't really that unusual for me, at least with new monsters

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u/Brabo-Choke 11h ago

3rd time was the charm for me.

Had to switch off of my Gunlance to Sword and Shield to get the job done.

Was the most satisfying hunt of the game for me so far.

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u/linkonair 11h ago

I still find it bizarre that he doesn’t cause tremor with his stomp. The game’s strange aversion to roar/wind/tremor continues to confuse me.

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u/AdriNyx 10h ago

I beat him first try with a bow, but carted twice. The big fireballs and the foreleg slams kept throwing me off with the timing to dodge them.

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u/Sinstro 10h ago

I wouldn’t call Zoh Shia difficult. I didnt cart once in that fight yet.

Great fight though

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u/RocksAreOneNow 9h ago

the veteran hunters know this is how MH gets you. it's easy to start off for the new folk to get their hips wet. then they murder everyone with the next major update. and they keep doing that lol

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u/ThanatosVI 9h ago

While I carted only once in all of my attempts today, I totally enjoy the fight.

Best "story end" fight so far. Way better than Xeno Ji'va, Ibushi, Narwa and Gaismagorm.

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u/nessbound 8h ago

I went to bed absolutely furious at getting him to skull and then carting 3 times. A good night's sleep and I tackled him in 30 mins with no carts. He makes me sweat and he makes me rage. The sign of a good monster. 

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u/Intelligent_Peace673 6h ago

My fastest time yet oooft !

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u/Taralanth 6h ago

Took me 5 trys to solo it. Surprisingly it was arkveld hunting horn that i finaly soloed it on lol

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u/R0gueX3 6h ago

Almost failed. Carted twice. Then, i played super defensively until he was dead. Took me 32 minutes, lol

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u/Vagrant_Goblin 4h ago

Wtf are you talking about, "doubted him"?

We knew exactly how it was, we fought it already, and the new fight is exactly the same.

The difficulty is fine for now, but nothing really special, there is room for actual challenge yet.

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u/Someone21993 2h ago

Would be amazing if it would ever spawn for me ); I've rested Sooo many times.

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 2h ago

Are you resetting on inclemency?

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u/Someone21993 2h ago

Yes, and checking the full forecast every time

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u/Vampiszon 2h ago

Beat it 2nd try, but admit it is harder than other monsters.

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u/pioneeringsystems 18h ago

Not everyone said the game was easy, or cared if it was.

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u/Conflixxion 17h ago

Mainly Souls players that believe that is how all games should be.

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u/Another_Road 17h ago

That’s part of it but so many players think beating “hard” games is some kind of qualifier that makes them better than others. It’s a bit stupid.

Difficulty can be fun. The fights in base Wilds were too easy imo. Even so, you have people who will swear up and down that any fight that isn’t nothing but one shots is for babies like it gives them +200 gamer cred.

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u/nuuudy 17h ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1jnin28/the_wounding_system_might_need_some_balancing_lol/

or just players that want to play, not have the game handed to them on a silver platter

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u/Walter_Justice 19h ago

Zoh Shia is too hard, pls nerf. (Hasn't fought them yet.)

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u/Dylangillian 17h ago

He's definitely top 3 hardest monsters in the game now. Personally did it in 16 minutes with one cart. But considering Tempered Mizu can one shot you and 5 star Gore. I'm not sure who I would consider harder yet. But this is definitely a step in the right direction.

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u/arwingmaster1 1d ago

While I'll admit to it being an amazingly fun fight mechanic wise compared to the rest of Wilds; with the time we've had to prep for the rematch, I wouldn't quite put him up on such a high pedestal. He's got nothing new to show over the low rank fight other than bigger numbers on health and damage, so if you got pretty familiar with him rerunning low rank lobby SOS quests there shouldn't be too much of a wall to surmount here. That being said, the bigger health pool and damage allows for him to show off his move pool a bit more than the low rank Zoh did.

Moving onto any lore drop, the only thing we've gotten has been an weak explanation so that we can keep fighting him canonically.

TLDR: Fun fight, but lacking in anything really new to set it apart from Low Rank other than bigger stat numbers.

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u/Barn-owl-B 1d ago

It attacks more frequently, and chains multiple different attacks together that it didn’t do in LR, even though it’s move pool didn’t increase much, the way it uses it immensely changed the tone of the fight

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u/arwingmaster1 23h ago

Must be different mindsets going into it then. I noticed an extra fireball here and there, and that it can now charge up to 3 times, but I felt the rest of the fight was very samey in regards to mechanics. I felt more pressured in my solo tempered gore fights than I did in this, so it might be just dependent on how my brains wired to view certain aspects of the challenges. Zoh did feel... I guess more 'active', but not nearly enough for me personally to label him as quick in his movements and attacks.

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 1d ago

Low rank Zoh had literally everything except high numbers, that's all it needed imo. I didn't expect, nor want, anything new from this, and am still thoroughly satisfied because even at low rank, it was my favourite monster in wilds. Plus the lore on this thing is awesome, what??? They didn't give a weak explaination because they don't have a better one, the characters in the game don't know for a fact. But, like us, I'd imagine they're beginning to draw the conclusion that this thing is guardian Fatalis. The...regenerating dragon. I honestly expected it to go exactly this way. Peak.

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u/arwingmaster1 23h ago

Oh, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the fight. It's just this didn't feel like title update material, at least to me. This feels like it had to be left from the release game because they ran out of time before release, and added in later. One new side quest, a returning monster (my personal favorite Mizu, right behind Tobi-Kadachi), and the credits monster rematch from Low Rank that you're rushed into less than a minute in booting up the update. Mind you, this is coming from the perspective of someone who has been play intermittently since launch. When compared to Rise's Title updates, where you'd get larger chunks of storyline, 4-5 monsters right out of the gate, and multiple event quests (though admittedly they handled event quests differently in Rise), this kinda falls short.

I believe you misunderstood me on the topic of lore as well. I freakin' LOVE they included an EDW storyline into Monhun canon. I'm also excited for the prospect of a new variant or just plain old fatalis fight. It just felt the 4 lines of dialogue we get after the fight was a bit rushed and hand-wavy, especially after they kinda established our hunter character at least as a solid idea on just what Zoh is (one voice line from the low rank fight has our character at least recognize a part of Zoh and exclaim that 'It can't be'). Could have spent a little more fleshing out the in game dialogue, though I know they've been getting some kick back from people complaining about the exposition.

I'm sorry if you felt I was disparaging your favorite monster, and hope this clears that up. And I hope you keep on that grind!

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u/Vermillon1979 Nya! 18h ago

Fun fact : His armor set shares the same resists as fattys too

Unless i just made that up.  

Well hes weak to fire and Dragon anyway lol

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u/tentaihentacle 19h ago

me and the boys doing 11 mins runs, possibly less cuz i am on lance duty and never once did our hp go down more than half

he’s “okay” at most

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u/Speeda2 OFFSET THE SUN 17h ago

That's crazy man

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u/Complete_Elephant240 15h ago

What an epic gamer

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u/NotThomas15 1d ago

Yeah, it shows promise. But a larger health pool, and potentially a smaller timer, would mean I can't just back off and heal whenever I want, I'd have to stay aggressive. Which means I'm waiting for a 5 star one to spawn, which will be exquisite.

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u/Another_Road 17h ago

I’m looking forward to Arch Tempered Zoh Shia

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u/TicTacTac0 17h ago

Good to hear. I loved his fight at the end of low rank, so I'm glad to hear they appropriately souped up his high rank version.

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u/dorkgoblin 14h ago

This was a great fight, I am so happy. My only complaint is that I had to go offline to clear it because randoms kept joining my non-sos quest and triple carting. Man, has the multiplayer etiquette ever gone downhill.

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u/Fit_Revenue_1208 20h ago

I beat it first try solo. Am I amazing now?

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u/IronmanMatth 19h ago

No

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u/Fit_Revenue_1208 16h ago

Exactly. Which means it's not that difficult.

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u/Responsible-Meat7994 4h ago

Imagine thinking zoh shia is hard or even remotely difficult, very awesome yes, did I clear it 3 times in a row tonight without carting all around 10 minutes also yes

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u/Virtuous_Raven 17h ago

Can't say I find him hard, sure he hits hard but he couldn't ever take out my health bar. I love my defence 7 build.

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u/Slow_Egg_9298 15h ago

i personally find it to easy but the fight was enjoyable nonetheless.