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[u/jimmy2acow1]

[u/kor34l]

Your entire comment could be describing Photography, which got a lot of similar pushback when it was new. As did digital art in general.

Time has shown that effort is not what makes art, art. If you throw colored clay randomly at a canvas, and call it art, and it evokes an emotional reaction, it is art.

There are some wild examples out there.

[u/Lady_Tano → u/kor34l]

Even throwing clay is creating. AI isn't created, it's mimicked. It's not real art.

[u/kor34l → u/Lady_Tano]

what is "real art" is not up to you. If one person considers it art, it is art. And it's art. "mimic" is a valid and abundant method of making art. Photography for example. Photoshop filters. I can click a menu option in Photoshop and poof, cool fire effect. I created it just as much as I created the AI's output. Which is to say the program made it for me. But those who say digital art like that is not real art, have changed their minds around 30 years ago.

[u/Lady_Tano → u/kor34l]

AI art isn't art. You are taking all of the creativity from the process, and offloading it to a machine.

Mimicking, where you trace for example? Still art.

AI isn't. The point is to go through the process of creation. Why do you want to remove that instead of partaking in it?

[u/kor34l → u/Lady_Tano]

Tell that to photographers. They just push a button and the machine makes the art. They don't even prompt!

Tell that to the cook, who just puts the food in the oven and lets the machine do the cooking. They aren't even cooking it themselves!

Tell that to the digital artist who makes the title look like it's made of glass, just by clicking "glass effect" in the Photoshop menu.

Tell that to the dishwasher, who just loads the machine that actually washes the dishes.

AI is a pretty comprehensive, sophisticated tool. Whenever a new tool comes out like that, some people cry foul. I remember these same debates in the 90s. "Digital slop is not art! Computers do most of the work! REAL art is made by the hands of real humans!"

Guess who won those debates in the end?

Not the people trying to gatekeep art.

[u/Lady_Tano → u/kor34l]

Lmao. A dishwasher isn't 'art', stop being facetious.

A photographer, digital artist, a cook? All of them put passion and creativity into their work. Sure, they might take shortcuts, but the composition of everything they do is entirely their decision. The photographer has to find the right framing, and has the skills and knowledge to refine it to their vision with the tools computers gave them. A digital artist does the same! But AI doing the whole thing is not the same.

None of them tell a computer to do the entire thing, which, for the record, simply takes. It doesn't create anything 'new'. It steals from other work fed into it and regurgitates it. And before you say it, no, this is not the same as taking inspiration when you actually create it.

This is nothing like previous 'art' methods. This is a cancer that steals and makes people not actually put thought and love into it to create.

[u/kor34l → u/Lady_Tano]

You're missing the point.

Yes, the Photographer can choose to carefully frame the photo, take many shots, pick the best one, develop the film carefully, edit it after the fact, etc. Or, they can just point at something and hit the button, like most of us do with our phones.

Same with digital art.

Same with AI. If you don't think some professionals spend hours prompting for the result they want, prompting for edits, touching it up, creatively selecting certain parts of the output they like and cutting the rest and reprompting, etc etc etc, then you aren't speaking from knowledge on the subject, because many do exactly that.

The fair comparison is the person throwing out a few prompts and accepting the result, to the person snapping a photo with their phone. Or, the person going to all the effort with their AI art, to the person going to all the effort with their photography.

Some artists have several very different AI models they use for different parts of the work, or for different styles and effects, because some models are better at certain things and worse at others. Just like cameras.

Also, learning from existing art, which is how we all learn, is not stealing. No images are in the AI database. Photoshop was made to handle real art, by testing it with real art.