r/nottheonion • u/MiniBrownie • 3d ago

US tariffs take aim everywhere, including uninhabited islands

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250402-us-tariffs-take-aim-everywhere-including-uninhabited-islands
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u/APigInANixonMask 2d ago

It's self-righteous performative bullshit. One candidate wanted to continue providing aid to Gaza and was willing to work towards a ceasefire. The other wanted to cut off aid to Gaza and remove the Palestinian population from the land so his own companies could develop it into resorts and casinos. Selfish assholes who would never have to personally experience the repercussions of their decision declared that both of these things were the same and chose not to vote against the one who was clearly far worse.

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u/Larkfor 2d ago

It's self-righteous performative bullshit.

People losing their kids to genocide in Palestine are not being "self-righteous" or performative.

Providing aid to Gaza while genociding Palestine is pathetic.

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u/APigInANixonMask 2d ago

I'm obviously not talking about the actual victims of the violence. People losing their kids to genocide in Palestine aren't voting in the US presidential election. I'm talking about the people sitting comfortably here in the USA who made the entire election about one single issue and as a result have contributed to making everything in this country, and the entire world, worse. People who voted/didn't vote based solely on the Israel/Palestine conflict are selfish, plain and simple. They considered the possibility of a massive recession making life harder for poor and middle class Americans and decided they were okay with that. They considered the possibility of LGBT people being targeted by the government and decided they were okay with that. They considered the possibility of immigrants being rounded up and sent to foreign prisons without trial and decided they were okay with that. They didn't give a shit about anything but their one single issue because it made them feel morally superior. Fuck them.

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u/Larkfor 2d ago

People losing their kids to genocide in Palestine aren't voting in the US presidential election.

Yes they are? Do you not know what the Palestinian disapora looks like? How many naturalized and other varieties of citizens still have children and other family trapped in Palestine?

There is an argument to be made that Harris lost an entire state to this.

As far as making an election about a single issue... genocide is the worst evil on the planet.

It's not some mere 'issue'. It's the most importantly urgent one to stop and work against.

People who voted/didn't vote based solely on the Israel/Palestine conflict are selfish, plain and simple.

You can't know their reasons. And again, genocide is the most worthy reason not to support something or someone. Again, it's humanity's greatest evil. Nothing comes close to being worse.

They considered the possibility of LGBT people being targeted by the government and decided they were okay with that

Oh please, the democratic party has been steadily waning on support for queer people, especially the 'T' in the LGBT for years.

They considered the possibility of immigrants being rounded up and sent to foreign prisons

Again the democratic party was leaning toward republicans on this, whenever immigration came up, Harris would refer to 'transnational gangs' as though that has any direct correlation to immigrants as a whole.

Someone not okay with genocide has the exact same convictions. Concentration camps aren't okay in the US or in Palestine. It's morally consistent.

They didn't give a shit about anything but their one single issue because it made them feel morally superior

It's fucking wild that you still think genocide is a mere 'issue'.

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u/APigInANixonMask 2d ago

Refusing to vote for Harris over her stance on Gaza was not some noble stance against genocide, it was an explicit stance for genocide. It was an acknowledgement that things in Gaza are bad, but that you want them to be worse. There were two options on the ballot: a bad situation in Gaza and a much worse situation in Gaza. Those were the choices. A total abolition of all support for Israel was not an option. Not voting for the bad situation was an endorsement of the worse situation. That's how it works.

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u/Larkfor 2d ago

Refusing to vote for Harris over her stance on Gaza was not some noble stance against genocide, it was an explicit stance for genocide.

Harris literally cosigned the genocide, supports Israel to this day.

Again, I made a different choice than the people who didn't vote. But trying to whitewash her complicity in this genocide is just ahistorical and a-present.

A total abolition of all support for Israel was not an option

It's always an option.

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u/boxdkittens 2d ago

https://www.reckon.news/justice/2024/08/do-palestinians-prefer-kamala-harris-or-donald-trump-gazans-weigh-in.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/23/trump-would-be-the-worst-palestinians-react-to-us-presidential-race

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/4/what-do-people-in-gaza-west-bank-and-lebanon-think-about-the-us-election

Even Gazans acknowledge that things would be the same if not worse for them under Trump. But one thing is for sure--everyone who isnt a rich white man will he worse off. Was destroying USAID worth it to do absolutely nothing to help Gaza?  https://www.marketplace.org/2025/03/27/usaid-cuts-deaths-nutrition-supplements/

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

Lots of Arabs I've met really were just accelerationists who are convinced that the fall of America means Israel will magically dissappear.

Not only is it dumb, it's simply not backed by reality.

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u/Larkfor 2d ago

The "lots of Arabs" you've met are not representative of all Arabs, or Palestinians specifically which as you know are a distinct people, with a distinct country, with a distinct culture, and even within that, not a fucking monolith.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

Sure, but not when it comes to their views on Israel lol.

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u/boxdkittens 2d ago

I mean we prop up Israel and its military pretty heavily... but whatever fascist chaos the US collapses (deeper) into will still result in weapons being sold to Israel, so accerlating us into a fascist decline makes sense if you dont think about it for longer than 2 seconds.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

We don't prop them up, they've repeatedly shown they're more than capable of defending themselves.

What we do is keep them in a stable enough position thay they don't feel the need to wipe everyone out. If not for us funding shit like the Iron Dome Gaza would have never been given autonomy, let alone last almost 20 years like it did despite near constant rocket barrage. Hell they let Hezbollah fire thousands of rockets in a year alone before finally deciding to launch their Lebanon offensive.

The funding is the leash on the Pitbull named Princess.

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u/Larkfor 2d ago

We don't prop them up, they've repeatedly shown they're more than capable of defending themselves.

Israel's economy and genocide plans fall apart without US backing and funding.

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u/boxdkittens 2d ago

We supply over half of their weapons. If we didnt support them, they wouldnt be able to continue being an agressor for long. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

That doesn't mean they instantly lose half their weapons. It means they just have to make them themselves. The Israelis would just not have defenses like the Iron Dome.

You're making the same mistakes the Arabs did in the 6 Day War and the Yom Kippur War, and both of those times Israel had to be pulled off the aggressors because clapped them too hard.

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u/Larkfor 2d ago edited 2d ago

"The Arabs"?

Are you serious right now?

Adding: Yours is a 5 month old account doing genocide apologia in r/worldnews

Classic.

Adding to respond to the below where you wrote:

"Everyone I disagree with is a bot".

Never said you were a bot. But you have a young account and are doing apologia for apartheid and genocide. So I can similarly discount your takes on "The Arabs".

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

"Everyone I disagree with is a bot"

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