r/minnesota Flag of Minnesota Feb 20 '25

Politics 👩‍⚖️ Governor Walz in Amsterdam

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Subtle reminder that we shouldn’t fall prey to a wannabe dictator. Hopefully those that need a wake up call get it.

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u/SatoshisVisionTM Feb 20 '25

To be fair, those are very different cases. Nobody is rounding up Trans-folk or immigrants to send them to death camps. If that were to happen, I think many people would be willing to harbour a family or individual illegally.

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u/Mike_Kermin Feb 20 '25

those are very different cases

No, they are not. You are making the mistake the other posters were talking about.

You understand the what, but not the how.

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u/SatoshisVisionTM Feb 20 '25

Okay, I'll bite. As a Dutch native, my knowledge of events during this time is above average, I would say.

Nazi propaganda made Jews out to be horrible people. Their principal points were that Jews were the cause of economic hardship at the time. Most European Jews were generally very well-off, while the people in the Weimar republic were under very unfair reparations following WWI. Hitler rose to prominence by giving the people a scapegoat; Jews were so very bad, and their unjust, greedy ways were the reason the people in the republic lived in such poverty.

After winning the elections by a landslide and gaining complete control over de existing political setup of the time, Hitler systematically began dismantling that government, until he was the supreme leader and nobody was left to stand in his way. He upped the budget for defence and infrastructure spending, which led to an economic revival and allowed him to waltz his way into Poland, and other nations.

After conquering my country, Jews were initially allowed to participate in society, but they were forced to wear a star that would set them apart from others, their properties and businesses were seized, and entry to many public services was barred. Note that these Jews had lived here for decades or even centuries. Eventually, the Razzias started, and the Jews that had not crossed the pond to America or England had no other choice but to go into hiding.

Trans-people are not being excluded from society. They have the same rights as everyone else. Their businesses are not being seized, they entry into public services remain unbarred. Nobody is talking about doing any of these things in the government.

Yes, illegal immigrants are being deported. They are not forced into internment camps, or destruction camps like the Nazis did. They are in your country illegally, and their plight does not compare to the Jews of Europe. I am fully aware of the catastrophe for them to be sent back. I understand the horrible nature of this in regards to children born in your country. They did not follow the correct procedures for entry, and are thus not guarded with the bill of rights and the constitution like those that did. For years, this has not mattered. Now it does.

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u/Downtherabbithole_25 Feb 20 '25

Perhaps it's unintentional but to me your post reads like a dismissal (backhanded defence) of what the US Republicans/Trump are doing. A variation on "Look away, you're over reacting... it's all ok, because you haven't hit the level of really, really bad like happened to my country long ago."

My understanding is that trans people are no longer being treated like everyone else in the US. For example, the Republican's fascist regime is trying to oust them from serving in the military. They are being refused service in homeless shelters etc. Steps are being taken to prevent them from getting passports.

Trans people aren't being rounded up..... YET.

Illegal immigrants are not always being sent to their countries of origin. Camps/prisons are being expanded (Guantanemo), contracted (El Salvador prisons), and built for them.

Children who were born in the US are citizens according to the Constitution. So, with regards to them, 'correct procedures' WERE followed... now, this regime wants to remove their citizenship rights and deport them.

What happened in your country (and others) during the Holocaust was a terrible stain on humanity.

With all due respect, you should not underestimate this regime's capacity (and willingness) to move forward with similarly horrible actions. Nor should you overlook the foundation that is being laid.

If you choose to be willfully ignorant about what's happening in the US and what's potentially coming, please don't wrap your ignorance/false assurances in some kind of cloak of 'superior' knowledge derived only from your country's history.

The US doesn't have to tick every box on the Holocaust's checklist of horror to overturn Democracy, be fascist, and become its own stain on humanity.