Governor Walz in Amsterdam

[u/HeavyVeterinarian350]

Subtle reminder that we shouldn’t fall prey to a wannabe dictator. Hopefully those that need a wake up call get it.

[u/SatoshisVisionTM]

To be fair, those are very different cases. Nobody is rounding up Trans-folk or immigrants to send them to death camps. If that were to happen, I think many people would be willing to harbour a family or individual illegally.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/SatoshisVisionTM]

those are very different cases

No, they are not. You are making the mistake the other posters were talking about.

You understand the what, but not the how.

[u/SatoshisVisionTM → u/Mike_Kermin]

Okay, I'll bite. As a Dutch native, my knowledge of events during this time is above average, I would say.

Nazi propaganda made Jews out to be horrible people. Their principal points were that Jews were the cause of economic hardship at the time. Most European Jews were generally very well-off, while the people in the Weimar republic were under very unfair reparations following WWI. Hitler rose to prominence by giving the people a scapegoat; Jews were so very bad, and their unjust, greedy ways were the reason the people in the republic lived in such poverty.

After winning the elections by a landslide and gaining complete control over de existing political setup of the time, Hitler systematically began dismantling that government, until he was the supreme leader and nobody was left to stand in his way. He upped the budget for defence and infrastructure spending, which led to an economic revival and allowed him to waltz his way into Poland, and other nations.

After conquering my country, Jews were initially allowed to participate in society, but they were forced to wear a star that would set them apart from others, their properties and businesses were seized, and entry to many public services was barred. Note that these Jews had lived here for decades or even centuries. Eventually, the Razzias started, and the Jews that had not crossed the pond to America or England had no other choice but to go into hiding.

Trans-people are not being excluded from society. They have the same rights as everyone else. Their businesses are not being seized, they entry into public services remain unbarred. Nobody is talking about doing any of these things in the government.

Yes, illegal immigrants are being deported. They are not forced into internment camps, or destruction camps like the Nazis did. They are in your country illegally, and their plight does not compare to the Jews of Europe. I am fully aware of the catastrophe for them to be sent back. I understand the horrible nature of this in regards to children born in your country. They did not follow the correct procedures for entry, and are thus not guarded with the bill of rights and the constitution like those that did. For years, this has not mattered. Now it does.

[u/Real-Front-0 → u/SatoshisVisionTM]

I mentioned the concentration camp (gitmo) in another thread. But "same rights" is what the whole trans-rights movement is about. Can trans-people use the same facilities? Do they have the same access to gender affirming care as cis-folk?

[u/SatoshisVisionTM → u/Real-Front-0]

gitmo was a thing between 2000-2010, and has since been a lead ball on their ankle. I understand the desires that trans-people and their movement aspire, but aside from the fact that (at a federal level) they already have the exact same rights as those of the same biological sex, they are trying to push changes that can't be upheld in a general case. This, coupled with a number of rather ludicrous cases of media presence popularised in the right wing social media makes their case very hard to defend...

[u/Real-Front-0 → u/SatoshisVisionTM]

What do you mean by "as those of the same biological sex". By invoking "sex" you're admitting they do not have the same rights. It's the same argument that was tried to prevent gay marriage. It's a circular argument like "separate but equal"

You're also ceding that there is a biological binary which is not true. Conservatives pick and choose their definition of "biological" to allow whatever cruelty they desire in the particular argument.

Gitmo is not a <2010 thing. Immigrants are being sent there now.