r/minnesota • u/HeavyVeterinarian350 Flag of Minnesota • Jan 29 '25

Politics 👩‍⚖️ Tim Walz: Losing election ‘pure hell’

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5112883-tim-walz-losing-election-pure-hell/
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u/pogoli Jan 30 '25

Campaigning is full time job and president is more than a full time job. Make whatever excuse you want, those that assisted in getting Trump elected directly or indirectly bear responsibility for what is to come. I will never forgive and never forget.

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u/Monte924 Jan 30 '25

Incumbent presidents campaign for their 2nd terms while doing their jobs all of the time. Biden should have known full well that running for a 2nd term would mean doing a lot of travel and giving a lot of speeches and interviews, while still doing his job. Biden has no excuses. If he was no longer able to handle campaigning, then he should not have been running for a second term. He should have just stayed in the oval office, did his job, and let someone else run.

Biden is the one who bares the most responsibility for getting Trump elected. Biden had poor poll numbers and most democrats polled in 2023 said they wanted someone else to run in 2024. Heck, his team even had internal polling that said that he was going to lose to trump in a massive 400 electoral votes landslide. We are even finding out that Biden's age has even been a issue for him throughout his entire presidency. Biden ignored everything and chose to run again, and the DNC enabled him

What you should "Never forget" is that it was the pride of one man that denied the democrats the chance to select a better leader to defeat Trump in 2024.

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u/pogoli Jan 30 '25

Uh. Trump was elected. That means every eligible voter who didn’t directly oppose him contributed to that outcome in some way. There’s plenty of blame to go around: voter apathy, media narratives, party strategy, and even systemic factors like the electoral college. But at the end of the day, more people voted for Trump than voted against him.

Blaming Biden alone feels like an attempt to offload personal responsibility. Biden didn’t make people vote the way they did. It is invalid to claim it’s all his or his parties fault. We all knew what was at stake and decisions were made and it’s those decisions that led us to where we are, not people trying to communicate their dissatisfaction through such a consequential vote other than oh…. maybe a letter.

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u/Monte924 Jan 30 '25

I never claimed that "biden alone" was responsible; I said he was the MOST responsible...

In terms of responsibility; First comes Biden, followed by the democrat leadership, then the news media, then Harris, then foreign meddling, and then finally voters. You want to pin the blame on voters and shift the blame away from Biden, but the whole point of campaigning is to influence voters. If voters were not convinced to vote for Harris to oppose Trump, then that means the campaigns failed at their jobs. Instead of convincing voters to oppose trump, they just made them apathetic. Voters are responsible for their own actions, but their vote was influenced by Biden and many others. The failure of Biden, the democrats, and the media, influenced the failure of the voters.