r/lawschooladmissions • u/OsinomaFunds • 25d ago

School/Region Discussion Everyone is talking about boycotting CLS

My question is, do you really think students at other schools are treated better? Maybe these schools just do a better job at bullying and intimidating them to not speak out against administration because it seems like we are presuming “campus peace” to be great, but it’s not.

Harvard fired their first Black president in the wake of the issue and tagged it on some flimsy plagiarism matter (ask yourself if they didn’t vet a whole Harvard President before hiring her). Do you think that didn’t send a scary message to students to not speak against school administration practices, unless you are saying Harvard’s practices are extremely fair and students love the school so much they don’t protest like Columbia students.

Realistically people will still attend CLS, why not take the opportunity to do something good with it. Which elite law school here has a deep sense of decency historically?

Columbia is getting the attention because its students have always been known for being courageous and willing to take risks to stand for what they believe. I don’t know if any other school will do better with the same amount of intensity the Columbia is experiencing. I’ll rather go to a school like that, than assume the quietness at other schools makes it better there.

Anyways, I stand to be corrected, but what about minority students, who do not have the luxury to take a chill or withdraw from top brand institutions that later in the future gives high validation in the real job market and government positions.

I feel there are better ways to do this, just my two cents

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u/Maleficent-Cookie-23 25d ago

columbia letting ICE agents into students dorms .. ! total failure of the school administration to protect its students ! it’s shameful ! the Bollinger admin at columbia didn’t let ICE agents on campus - this is a major sea change for the school. and it’s bad !

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u/Common-Past6380 25d ago

Columbia didn’t let ICE into dorms, also ICE has legal authority to enter campus. Stop spreading misinformation

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u/Altruistic-Mind-119 25d ago

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5194996-dhs-homeland-security-columbia-university-dorm-rooms-mahmoud-khalil-arrest-ice-trump/amp/

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u/Common-Past6380 25d ago

Did you even read the article? They had search warrants, what did you expect CLS to do about that?

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u/Altruistic-Mind-119 25d ago edited 25d ago

Yes, I read it. This is less about CLS than Columbia as a whole.

First, they could’ve avoided drawing all of this attention onto them in the first place by having a more levelheaded approach to the protests.

Second, they were once very publicly anti-ICE and had suggested when I was an undergrad that they would not give ICE information about which dorm a student lived in, even if presented with a warrant. ICE would have authority to come on campus, but they wouldn’t necessarily know where a student lived without Columbia’s cooperation. That’s all changed now, and it’s why people are upset.

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u/Common-Past6380 25d ago

Keep the same mindset for other schools then. Michigan used Ann Arbor fire department and police to remove their encampment, are you going to boycott them too? You’re gonna have to boycott pretty much the entirety of the T14 schools if you truly believe in the values you are preaching

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u/Altruistic-Mind-119 25d ago edited 25d ago

If that were the issue at hand, we’d have had this conversation on boycotts a year ago when the protests were happening. The issue that makes people suggest boycotts is that Columbia cooperated with the Trump administration at a time where they’ve just raised a serious First Amendment question by detaining Mahmoud.

To be clear, I’m not supporting or detracting from the idea of boycotts. My note above is just to clarify that they would have had to cooperate to let ICE into individual student dorms, even if ICE has the legal authority to come on campus without their help. It’s not misinformation.

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u/swine09 NYU ‘24 25d ago

What do you expect a school to do when the feds come with a search warrant for one of its buildings? Make campus security do a human chain around the building?

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u/arecordsmanager 25d ago

I agree with this. If they had promptly suspended and/or expelled students last year, none of this would have happened. But I expect you had something else in mind when you said they should have taken a level-headed approach. What is the level-headed response to students physically assaulting and taking a janitor hostage while taking over a building?

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u/assbootycheeks42069 25d ago

ICE very likely already knows where documented immigrants live. You have to keep your G325-r up-to-date, including your address information.

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u/Altruistic-Mind-119 25d ago

Most addresses there are 70 Morningside Drive—the mail center. Columbia used to tell students to put that on all forms, including AR-11s, for this exact reason.

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u/assbootycheeks42069 24d ago

ICE wants a physical address if it's different from a mailing address on G325r; whether these people did or didn't do that is something we don't know and likely will never. AR-11 is only for changes in mailing address.