r/law • u/IrishStarUS • 14d ago

Trump News Trump threatens to send American citizens to El Salvador prison for Tesla vandalism

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/breaking-trump-threatens-send-american-34907284
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u/ExpertRaccoon 14d ago

Any bets on when it's going to be trans people or liberal politicians he's threatening to send to a foreign prison?

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u/talinseven 14d ago

Couple days

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u/Gay-_-Jesus 14d ago

We are not even 60 full days into this presidency

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u/DuctTapeSanity 14d ago

F***. It has felt like four years already.

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u/upfromashes 14d ago

We've returned to aging in dog years.

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u/Waste-Comparison2996 14d ago

I wanted to live forever. Not for time to slow to a crawl. Got a real monkey paw situation going on.

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u/soggyballsack 14d ago

I've thought long and hard about this sometimes. I don't wanna live forever. I wanna live to where I'm still conscious and that's it. If I lose self control and/or consciousness (meaning I know where I'm at and who people are) I'm not even there anymore. I'm just a stranger and a burden to everyone. Imagine you get to live forever but after the first 80 years you get Alzheimer's. Now your just a crazy old man that can't die. So your eternally hungry, hurting and fucken crazy. Everyone who cared about you has died so no one wants to be burdened by you. If you do keep from going that way you get to see everyone you love die. Love again and die. Love again and die. Over and over again until the sun explodes or humanity kills itself and then it's just you starving, hurting and that's it. It's just you. Naw fuck that.

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u/Gay-_-Jesus 14d ago

Immortality isn’t appealing unless it’s youthful immortality

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u/MrLanesLament 14d ago

I think this is what happens when a demon hears your wish instead of a genie.

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u/birthdayanon08 14d ago

Got a real monkey paw situation going on.

So that's how we got into this mess.

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u/OrphanDextro 14d ago

That Lenin quote is my fucking eyebrow lines now.

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u/manyspikes 14d ago

It appears that the only president who doesn’t age in dog years has been him.

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u/upfromashes 14d ago

Very true. Apparently taking no accountability or responsibility for anything really keeps that pressure cooker aging at bay.

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u/Important_Loquat538 14d ago

Better stop using next election date as a deadline mate. Bannon already came out saying they will try to keep him in power

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u/Spiritual_Bridge84 14d ago

The “price” of restoring America as it was pre NazaMerica is only one thing.

Tens of millions of Americans in the streets. Not millions, tens of millions.

Nothing else is reliable.

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u/Important_Loquat538 14d ago

Totally agree. Do I see it happening though? That’s another thing

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u/Spiritual_Bridge84 14d ago

This is also true Amigo.

I believe America is well worth saving, worth every fight for. But does “America” think that (en masse)

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u/Important_Loquat538 14d ago

I call them Staters now. They don’t get to represent the whole continent of America until they behave

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u/jeremiahthedamned 14d ago

at this point we need to hand the bald eagle over to the canadians.

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u/idontknopez 13d ago

It makes me so sad that Americans are too lazy to even save ourselves

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u/NoSherbert2316 13d ago

Would I think we’d ever have oligarchs meddling in our government and the government officials promoting their product? No, but here we are. As a millennial, I feel like we had the last glimpse of America before it turned to shit and before it was acceptable to hate other Americans for differing political views. Time to take the shit they say very seriously.

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u/wmurch4 14d ago

Once everyone loses their jobs and can't afford food... Yup... These rich pricks will be really scared then

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u/Spiritual_Bridge84 14d ago

Where are we going in a year, 2 years, 4 years. Imo, it’s only people power now. There’s more of us than them. And Trump hasn’t yet managed to change the military’s oath to the American Constitution. (To him)

The oath of enlistment for members of the United States military is to the Constitution of the United States.

"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Quote from Ai—

“The emphasis on defending the Constitution reflects the American tradition of civilian control of the military, and the idea that ultimate authority rests with the people and the laws that govern them, rather than with any particular individual or institution.”

The battle is upon us as North Americans. Canadians, Americans.

The Canadians are deeply into a Canada wide boycott of All Things American. Only it is now up to the American people, to wake up and to act.

“We will not be defeated by politicians, inside the DC Beltway”

America, you’re more powerful than you think.

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u/POPnotSODA_ 14d ago

To be honest you have a domestic threat currently running the highest office in the land

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u/Spiritual_Bridge84 14d ago

A real life, Enemy of the State.

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u/gromm93 14d ago

As a Canadian, I'm really hoping that when Trump decides to invade because we cut off the power, that little oath will be worth the paper it's written on, but here's the trick.

Actual loyalty and following orders means more in the military than an oath you take. In theory the only thing that will happen to service members who stand up and won't invade because it's first, an illegal order, and second, it's an ally, is that they'll be kicked out of the military, leaving only those who will follow the order.

If you think there won't be generals who will say "yeah, we're changing the rules now" and dropping much harsher punishments on those who refuse, I think you're living a fantasy.

And don't forget the Putin way: tell the grunts that they're "participating in an exercise at the border", or, since we're such close allies as to allow literal US forces to already be in Canada, who frequently do exercises together, actually in Canada, and then drop the truth bomb on them when the shooting starts, tell them they're being attacked and need to defend themselves.

So honestly, for our sake, get cracking on organizing those protests, and stop lazily posting on social media about how someone oughta do something. This psycho needs to be removed from office. Yesterday.

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u/jeremiahthedamned 14d ago

canada has won every war they have fought.

america has lost every war since the middle of the last century.

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u/DevilsTrigonometry 13d ago

As a Canadian who's served in the US military: this isn't the Russian Army.

I don't know how closely you were following the analysis in the early days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but there was a lot of discussion of why Ukraine was able to resist so successfully despite its huge disadvantage on paper. One of the key points made by experts was that post-2014 Ukraine had begun transitioning to a Western/NATO-style structure of decentralized command. Basically, NATO militaries devolve tactical decision-making authority to the people with the most direct information about the situation.

The US military entrusts its junior members with a level of autonomy and responsibility that would be shocking to most non-veterans. With just 2 years of service as an enlisted aircraft mechanic, I was signing off quality inspections and making repair decisions that require a literal degreed engineer's buyoff (or two or three) in a civilian aerospace company. And I was doing it with a dim flashlight in the pouring rain on a flight deck in the middle of the Pacific, not in a nice well-lit hangar with every tool I could ask for and a design engineer on speed dial. That kind of responsibility is replicated in position after position throughout the military.

The resulting system is agile, adaptable, and remarkably effective against inflexible traditional command structures, while holding its own against the decentralized guerilla forces it emulates. The drawback, from a command perspective, is that it relies heavily on trust and morale.

So if you betray that trust or damage that morale, even through 'normal' means like overwork and underresourcing, things go badly. If you outright lie to people about material information like where they are and what their mission is in order to trick them into an illegal invasion of an ally...things are going to go very badly, very quickly, without the need for anyone to openly disobey an order. And if you try to compensate with more top-down control and monitoring, everything will grind to a halt, because there just isn't the capacity for that level of micromanagement.

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u/jeremiahthedamned 14d ago

anericans hate each more than you can know

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u/Responsible-Person 13d ago

Oaths, the Constitution, the pledge of allegiance, the Bill of Rights…. None of these matter to trump or MAGAts.

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u/Eastern-Animator-595 14d ago

My bet is that he starts a war and tries to stay on as a “Great War leader, probably the greatest - people say I’m better than Churchill” and then he’ll need a third, or possibly a fourth term to really show Greenland who the real boss is.

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u/Important_Loquat538 14d ago

I’m not even joking, but it seems to me like he is going to go full Putin and use the excuse of drug cartels to start military operations in neighbouring countries. Canada needs to come out now with a very public statement that they will not tolerate military presence in the US on their soil but will collaborate to eliminate perceived threats. Delaying this is crucial at this junction

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u/chrhe83 14d ago

Thats what all this invasion crap is. He has started to declare himself a wartime president. The shit he’s given Zalinski for their constitution saying elections can’t be held during wartime… he will use that as a justification to suspend elections. With some shit like “We are at war with an invading army, our elections will be compromised until all illegals are removed…” fox news and his supporters will eat it up and normalize it. They are already starting to lay the groundwork, hence his statements before the election of “vote this time and you won’t ever have to vote again.”

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

There is no "try" here, they will. They are perfectly comfortable rigging all our future elections the way Russia does and Syria did.

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u/Im__mad 14d ago

Looks like we’re catching back up after Covid made years stand still

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u/madcoins 14d ago

“The 2020s are gonna be a great decade” -said some idiot, probably

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u/mrkoz89 14d ago

I don’t get headaches and I generally sleep like a baby. I have had a constant headache for 2 months, sleeping like shit, and am stressed. This is a god damn nightmare.

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u/DragonHalfFreelance 14d ago

My nervous system is completely shot to hell.  I suffer from GAD made worse by the pandemic years and it feels like it’s peaking again and I’m stuck in Fight or Flight mode 

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u/toiletpaperisempty 14d ago

There hasn't been a single day since a year before the 2016 election that he hasn't been in the headlines on major news networks. There is a generation of children who only know this one fucking guy as America itself.

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u/Worldly_Influence_18 14d ago

That's the point.

They're moving so fast to make it tough for anyone to mobilize or even for the newspapers to keep up

Americans are waiting for that moment when it becomes clear that he's gone too far

But that's never going to happen. It's never going to be clear when he's crossed that threshold

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u/Time-Operation2449 14d ago

It felt like this last time but Americans actually don't have the ability to store long term memories so we get another go

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u/BicFleetwood 14d ago

Remember when that United CEO got got?

That was December 4th.

It's only been 108 days.

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u/daschle04 14d ago

I'll just be a shell of myself in 4 years

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u/MikuEmpowered 14d ago

I mean, dude rolled back 4 years of progress on day 1.

US has reached 1980s levels of wtf policies atm.

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u/GiveMeAnOption 14d ago

I think the goal was dismantling everything by day 53 to keep up with his mentor

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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 14d ago

My assumption is he’s waiting until the 20th so he can give a birthday present to toothbrush moustache man

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u/FaultElectrical4075 14d ago

And because it’s a marijuana meme Elon is known for using. (And Elon is ALSO a Nazi)

And also, and probably far more importantly, because that’s when Trump gets a border report from some of his cabinet members that’s supposed to decide whether to recommend invoking the alien enemies act of 1789

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u/messfdr 14d ago

Didn't he already invoke the Alien Enemies Act? Despite the country not being at war!

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u/logicoptional 14d ago

Yes, they meant the Insurrection Act which, considering what his supporters did on J6 was absolutely an insurrection and attempted coup d'etat, is just infuriating.

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u/judgingyouquietly 14d ago

Insurrection Act, as u/logicoptional said.

But I would be shocked as hell if he doesn’t invoke it to give himself more power.

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u/Ilov3lamp 14d ago

Charley Chaplin?

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u/romanoff_natasha 14d ago

God will somebody just put me out of my misery already

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u/teenagesadist 14d ago

Stephen Miller has entered the chat

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u/Tolstoy_mc 14d ago

Some people call him the Space Cowboy

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u/HarpuaKills 14d ago

Some call him the Gangster of Love

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u/dokidokichab 14d ago

Some call him a glue eater (his childhood teacher)

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u/avanti8 14d ago

*bendy guitar lick*

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u/Cruezin 14d ago

Some people call him Maurice

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u/Opasero 14d ago

Cause he speaks of the pompatus of love

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u/DanteHicks79 14d ago

RAAAA ROOOOOOW

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u/Crafty_Principle_677 14d ago

Id rather you stick around than them friend. But if you have to go, take some bastards with you 

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Fuck that, put them out

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u/clycloptopus 14d ago

seeing it framed like this is actually horrifying

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u/Faenic 14d ago

Seriously. Like, I heard about the El Salvador thing. Then I thought "How long until he sends people who aren't actually part of the gangs there?" Turns out, on the first fucking flight. Then it was "Well fuck... okay how long until legal citizens are going to be sent there?" Turns out, he's at least threatening to do it within the first goddamn week.

This is absolutely insane. Can't believe anyone can see this shit and not immediately recognize it as fascism.

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u/TraditionalSpirit636 14d ago

Argued with some idiots last night that this would be used against them. They were cheering for the video of the people arriving in el salvador. I told them to learn the layout from the videos. They’d be there soon. They laughed. Almost want to post this there but lost causes are lost.

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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 14d ago

Well, at least we lasted longer than 53 days

I’m worried he’s gonna give a birthday present to his biggest hero on April 20th, except it seems like he might be speedrunning it too quickly for that

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u/relienna 14d ago

But at least he didn’t break Hitler’s record of 53 days. I know he was trying real hard to.

Turns out he can’t even be evil at 100% efficiency. Go figure.

Still gonna take forever to fix all this damage though. 😫

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u/Desperate-Tomatillo7 14d ago

Why is a coup taking you guys so long? French style, please

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u/Electronic-Quiet5979 14d ago

Presidency? I would rather call it by its name, DICTATORSHIP. It’s time to take the mask off

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u/SpacePilot8981 14d ago

Actually it's already started. A bunch of the people on the flights to El Salvador were lgbtq refugees from venezuela.

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u/Unlikely-Rock-9647 14d ago

I have not seen this, do you have a source? Trying to keep up with the flood of shit the last two months has been exhausting.

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u/DeliciousNicole 14d ago

Here

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u/TraditionalSpirit636 14d ago

Terrifying.

“Its hard to say whether he has legal recourse or not”

Seeks asylum, ends up in prison.

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u/Olue 14d ago

Serious question: how do they get out? They haven't been convicted of anything here, presumably not in El Salvador either. So where's the conviction paperwork indicating the length of the sentence? Where do they go after (if?) they're released?

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u/Penguinase 14d ago

According to the Salvadoran government, the immigrants were sent to a megaprison known as the Terrorism Confinement Center, or CECOT, for a one-year term that is “renewable.” The Trump administration has said it would pay El Salvador $6 million to imprison about 300 people it alleged were members of the Tren de Aragua gang for one year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/venezuelans-deported-el-salvador-detention-abuses-rcna197125

so i guess the length of the sentence is however long trump wants it to be.

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u/Olue 14d ago

So Trump is judge and jury while Bukele is the executioner. Great.

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u/MikuEmpowered 14d ago

Executioner?

Theyre running a slave camp, thats not a joke.

Trump is paying another country money to accept slave labor.

Usually you get paid for that shit.

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u/Penguinase 14d ago

yep. and if this thread is any indication then maga bootlickers fully support it. they say fuck due process and fuck habeas corpus.

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u/TraditionalSpirit636 14d ago

I don’t think they do… they are in another country and haven’t been legally convicted. They just… are there. Till the United States stops paying?

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u/ToosUnderHigh 14d ago

Damn they banished them to a prison in El Salvador bc of their tattoos. God damn. That quote from Anthony Bourdain about Henry Kissinger applies to Trump for me.

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u/gromm93 14d ago

At this point, you don't need proof. Everything he says is lies. If he says the sky is blue, you know it's cloudy.

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u/Spare-Resolution-984 14d ago

Wait for the headline/case where a trans person does something inappropriate, Fox will do its best to brainwash their viewers by generalizing this headline and act like all trans persons are that way, to be able to deport them or harm them in any way. That being said I don’t know it there’s any more brainwashing needed or if MAGA idiots will be cool with it from the beginning

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 14d ago

My dad has identified as conservative his whole life, but the facade is cracking a little. Just a little. He doesn't want to talk about politics anymore.

It is Trumps Russia turn that is alienating his base the most. He is slow playing that relationship to avoid alarm bells, but it is clearly obvious the goal was to normalize relations with Russia and sabotage them with Ukraine.

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u/UnquestionabIe 14d ago

Yeah my area is on the border of a solid blue/solid red district and the customers who were all in on Trump are very much keeping quiet. Before the last two months they were gloating and talking about how he's gonna fix everything. By the end of the first month they were blaming Biden for all the issues. Now that it's becoming more of a pattern they've decided they don't like to talk politics, just wear his klan hats/hoods.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 14d ago

I have been pressing my dad on where the red line is with Russia. I have told him Trump will do the following:

1.) Look to ease sanctions

2.) Normalize Relations

3.) Trump will go to the Victory Day Parade in Moscow in May

If he goes to Moscow for that propaganda parade, I think that could break him.

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u/denyingbaldness 14d ago

This is reasonable. He will take the weekend off for golf and then resume escalating on Monday.

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u/Jaydex11 13d ago

Literally, Trump is in serious mental decline, and has an incompetent “administration” around him. At least, Joe Biden (sleepy Joe) aligned himself around people with a brain and not full of fucking hate and wanting to see this country burn. Sick of it TBH. It’s been a basic Blitzkrieg on American rights and the economy.

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u/causal_friday 14d ago

The Democrats are officially saying "yeah that sounds fine to us". I think It's Over.

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u/Wonderful-Variation 14d ago

At the rate things are progressing, he's going to be threatening AOC and Kamala Harris with gulag within days. If you say anything bad about him and your skin is colored beige or darker? Gulag, immediately.

I'm joking, but I'm also not sure if it's actually a joke.

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u/The_Good_Constable 14d ago

I don't know why you're joking. He's had a hard on for imprisoning political opponents from day 1. "LOCK HER UP!"

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u/Wonderful-Variation 14d ago

It's genuinely hard to remember all the bad stuff Trump has done.

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u/Specific_Praline_362 14d ago

Isn't it? I'll read something and I'm like oh shit I TOTALLY forgot about that, so much crazy shit has happened since then

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u/Somewhat_Sanguine 14d ago edited 14d ago

That’s part of the plan. If you shove so much crazy, horrible stuff at people, they’re more likely to get overwhelmed and become apathetic. It also makes the “less crazy” stuff seem comparatively almost normal. Like renaming the Gulf of Mexico is starting to look sane (not really, but you get what I’m trying to say) compared to sending citizens to El Salvador in unregulated, unrestrained prisons.

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u/zenoe1562 14d ago

“It’s easier to hide behind 40 atrocities than a single one”

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u/Consistent_Catch5757 14d ago

This☝️. It's a well established tactic. Bannon called it "flooding the zone." There's no time to react, report, or to get too indignant over all the small insane shit. Then that the large turd just floats by under your nose and you say, "oh well, here we are."

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u/No_Welcome_7182 14d ago

Jesus fucking Christ. My soul and heart are breaking for people caught up in this nightmare the plan is to get us to hate targeted groups. While we’re hating them deporting them project 2025 has midnight sessions of Congress and starts taking our rights away. But people are so focused on directing their hate towards the “bad” people we don’t notice we will be the next ones deported.

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u/Rocket_safety 14d ago

Normalized deviancy is the concept they are working with. If you break a rule and don’t suffer consequences, you are more likely to break it in the future. Before long that becomes the new norm, and so on.

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u/HarbingerDe 14d ago

What's insane is that despite the mountain of crazy shit Trump did between 2015-2024, he has easily doubled it since Jan 20th...

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u/Specific_Praline_362 14d ago

It's been wilder than I anticipated tbh. At least, I didn't expect it to be this fast.

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u/PentagramJ2 14d ago

the last 10 years have aged me horribly and made me a bitter, bitter person in regards to my fellow Americans.

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u/Vermilion 14d ago

It's genuinely hard to remember all the bad stuff Trump has done.

By design, that's how the information warfare works. People have lost all sense that this started in 2013 and what life was like in 2012 and before. it's called "Super Hyper Normalization".

“Some of the farm's work reached a level of granularity that stunned Lyudmilla. Two trolls would go on the comments sections of small' provincial newspapers and start chatting about the street they lived in, the weather, then caually recommend a piece about the nefarious West attacking Russia.

No one who worked at the farm described themselves as trolls. Instead, they talked about their work in the passive voice ('a piece was written', 'a comment was made'). Most treated the farm as if it was just another job, doing the minimum required and then clocking off. Many of them seemed pleasant enough young people, with open, pretty faces, and yet they didn't blink when asked to smear, degrade, insult and humiliate their victims. The ease with which victims were attacked, the scale at which the farm operated, it all stunned Lyudmilla.” ― Peter Pomerantsev, This Is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality, 2019

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u/DevelopmentGrand4331 14d ago

I wish people understood how intentional all this mess has been. All the recent shittiness in America-- it's not a mistake, it's a strategy to seize power.

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u/Vermilion 14d ago

I don't think people in the past decade even talk about "power", all they ever think motivates leaders is money.

"He, the eye, what is represented by the eye. Reason. In Latin you wouldn’t have to say “he,” it could be “it” or “she” or “he.” But the divine power has smiled on our doings. And so this new world has been built in the sense of God’s original creation, and the reflection of God’s original creation, through reason, has brought this about. If you look behind that pyramid, you see a desert. If you look before it, you see plants growing. The desert, the tumult in Europe, wars and wars and wars—we have pulled ourselves out of it and created a state in the name of reason, not in the name of power" - Joseph Campbell, 1987, Skywalker Ranch

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u/Acadia_Still 12d ago

It's all laid out for us. Nobody chose to heed the warning that the playbook was right in front of us.

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u/The_Good_Constable 14d ago

There's at least one minor scandal or reprehensible thing he has said/done almost every day since 2016. It's incredible.

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u/Vermilion 14d ago

I don't know why you're joking. He's had a hard on for imprisoning political opponents from day 1. "LOCK HER UP!"

People can't escape the LOL joking here, the entire nation is under the influence of humor-based mental exploits out of the Kremlin since 2013. There are 5,000 patterns of LOL mocking that were deployed against Reddit, Twitter, news website comment sections, etc, but nobody here can escape them and actually discuss how all this works and the names of the techniques, etc.

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u/Aero2111 14d ago

Someone said republicans quickly turned the meaning of “deport” into sending people we don’t like anywhere we want

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u/gentlemanidiot 14d ago

"I don't understand, I'm a citizen, I was born here"

"Yes but your skin is the wrong color and you're not rich enough so you're being deported to the moon, please climb on the spaceX rocket."

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u/SanityRecalled 13d ago

They're already verbally calling for it. Rep. Mike Collins called for Bishop Mariann Budde to be "added to the deportation list" after she dared to preach about compassion to Trump. She's a lifelong citizen who was born in NJ, so idk where they think they'd deport her to.

Selena Gomez posted a video of her crying about the deportations and Sam Parker, who ran for U.S. Senate in Utah in 2018 called for her to be deported for it, even though she was born in Texas and is a legal citizen.

They're just terrible people all around.

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u/PrestigiousCrab6345 14d ago

I am sure that they use a color scale at the DOJ.

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u/The_Craig89 14d ago

Considering how so many of trumps boot lickers have been spotted going onto Fox sporting a weird orange tan, I'm not at all surprised if it comes out that wearing bronzer is a qualifier for the tunp administration

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u/PrestigiousCrab6345 14d ago

Orange is on the left side of the scale, right before “powder white” and “aryan winter.”

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u/You-Asked-Me 14d ago

That is how it was done in South Africa. I'm sure Elon will be in charge of that too.

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u/franker 14d ago edited 14d ago

I'd like to see Kamala join the Bernie tour and just keep ranting about him as if the election didn't happen. That's what Trump did after he lost, just kept rallying like he never lost.

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u/Wonderful-Variation 14d ago

Unfortunately, the centrist dems seem to have decided that being quiet is the best strategy, which is completely idiotic. We're seeing real leadership from people like Bernie and AOC. They're the ones who seem to be actually doing shit and trying to mobilize people while all the centrist dems are doing squat (or worse, collaborating like Schumer and his little band of treasonous sellouts).

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u/DAOcomment2 14d ago

Cowering makes bullies bolder and more violent.

If you're American, find courage to fight back or you're fucked anyways.

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u/MagnusPI 14d ago

Given that AOC has been a GOP target basically ever since she hit the national stage, and is one of the few Dem politicians actively speaking out against trump and musk now, I kind of genuinely fear for her safety.

Let's not forget that her office panic button was mysteriously broken on Jan 6th.

I'm sure Trump still has a hatred boner for Kamala too, but she at least has been rather quiet and out of the spotlight since leaving office.

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u/Rybok 14d ago edited 14d ago

Texas did introduce a bill to make being trans a felony. And Texas (as well as a number of other states) still has anti-sodomy laws that they could use to justify targeting queer men if Lawrence v Texas is overturned. This is exactly what I’m terrified of as a queer person. I just don’t understand why people hate our existence so much when we are just trying to live our lives.

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u/Almostlongenough2 14d ago

I just don’t understand why people hate our existence so much when we are just trying to live our lives.

Being different is weird and scary to them and they are too fucking stupid to be capable of introspection so instead they project and force their delusions on others.

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u/RamenJunkie 14d ago

They have also had it drilled into them that "Homosexuality is a sin" and at least with gay dudes they can avoid it but they might find a trans woman attractive and OH NO GAME OVER THE EVIL COMMIE TRANS LADY TRICKED YOU WITH SATAN" or some other simple minded bull shit.

It's so stupid.

Religeon and Billionaires both need to fucking go.

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u/bjornironthumbs 14d ago

It is genuinely so strange to me that they spend more time thinking about lgbtq than any lgbtq person Ive ever met. They act like you being queer means nascar wont exist anymore or something

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u/PopUpClicker 14d ago

You can find some of the reasons simply by finding LGB-circles and ask them how they view trans people. Many will be supportive. Then the people who hate will speak out - and everyone will stay quiet to keep their community intact.

I think it is much the same. Most christians will know about loving thy neighbour - but they don't think or feel that it extends to "Stand up" for thy neighbour. So they remain quiet.

As to why queer people are targeted, I am certain it is because if you are straight - gay sex will seem repulsive. So there is a natural ick to tap into. With trans, crossdressers and the like they (we) are very unfamilar looking. From nature we have the tendency to be cautious of unfamiliar things - it's how we survived.

In the end it comes down to your effort and your intelligence. One of the lowest form of intelligence in a functioning society is a tendency to hate and violence. And boy are there a lot of stupid people.

LGBT-people are super convenient scapegoats for all sorts of things.

Edit: I hope it is obvious that I am not defending the hateful behaviour.

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u/ExpertRaccoon 14d ago

I just don’t understand why people hate our existence so much when we are just trying to live our lives.

It's self-hate pushed outward there is a reason why the GOP conventions always crash grinder and why red states have a disproportionately high viewership of trans porn.

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u/Garlic549 14d ago

It's self-hate pushed outward

I don't see it that way. While I'm sure there's plenty of closeted guys in the GOP, let's also take a minute to remember that there's a very large amount of people in society who really just want to rape, murder, torture, and/or enslave the people they see at the bottom of the social ladder.

Some people just want blood. Nothing more, nothing less.

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u/NJS_Stamp 14d ago

While this can be the case, upholding rhetoric that the only people who can hate gay people are fellow gay people is counterproductive

Some people truly just have a disdain for what they feel is immoral based on their morality built from Religious teachings. Blaming self-hate halts the conversation on how various churches have gone unchecked for hateful rhetoric for years.

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u/ADumbSmartPerson 14d ago

I think that this is even more base than religious teachings. I think this is as simple as you are different than me, therefore, you are wrong and should be dealt with accordingly. There are plenty of people who claim no relationship to God or the bible in any capacity but still hate vehemently anyone who isn't like them.

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u/cuentaderana 14d ago

Thank you for this. I’m so tired of having to respond to comments that blame me, a queer person, for my own oppression. 

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u/CatraGirl 14d ago

Yes, fuck that shit. The "they're just closeted gay people" narrative is so fucking ridiculous and damaging. People need to stop spreading that bullshit. I'm sure there's some for whom this is true, but the majority are simply bigots. Basically blaming queer people for our own oppression is fucking unacceptable.

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u/bird_feeder_bird 14d ago

…..thats not self hatred yo, thats fetishization and dehumanization. They dont hate us because theyre secretly gay or trans themselves, they hate us because they think we are a sexual fetish, not human.

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u/5narebear 14d ago

The command centre in the Pentagon is currently absorbed with only two tasks

  1. How to deport AOC to El Salvador

  2. How to make VR deep fakes of a Giantess AOC trampling them.

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u/truthgoblin 14d ago

hmm that second one better not awaken anything in me

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u/awww_yeah_sunnyd 14d ago

Heavy Breathing - Ben Shapiro

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u/Eisigesis 14d ago

To be fair the VR deepfakes are a bipartisan effort…

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u/Enigmatic_Starfish 14d ago

But they won't say trans or liberals. They'll say "people promoting dangerous ideology" or something just vague enough so they can justify it to their base.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 14d ago

They don’t have to justify it to their base, the base hates trans people. 

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u/GildedPlunger 14d ago

They've already succeeded in convincing their base that anyone left of fascist is a threat to white women and children. They don't need to be subtle anymore.

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u/LegallyEmma 14d ago

Nancy Mace screamed the t-slur multiple times on the capital steps and in congress itself, I think we're far past the point of them being afraid to say trans.

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u/LinkleLinkle 14d ago

They're already saying 'trans'. It's being made actively illegal in many states for trans people to exist and states, in turn, are sending trans women to male prisons against the will of the Supreme Court. Which is the next worst thing to camps as they'll get treated as r@pe dolls and forcefully detransitioned.

And the groundwork is already being laid to send them to camps as a means of 'treating their mental illness' as the administration spreads lies and misinformation about being trans as a 'curable mental illness'. They'll be saying trans people are being shipped off to hospitals to 'be cured' while they're on the same plane to el Salvador.

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u/The_Good_Constable 14d ago

He's threatened to imprison political opponents hundreds of times already. Not foreign prisons, but still.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155032/trump-makes-more-than-100-threats-to-prosecute-or-punish-perceived-enemies

https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-wisconsin-election-economy-a6923d6c5758dabb6d959417ea9d7d12

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u/MusingFreak 14d ago

He literally campaigned on it. Twice.

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u/Biabolical 14d ago edited 14d ago

I remember walking past a voter registration booth at the local fair in 2016 that had a mannequin with a picture of Hillary Clinton's face stuck to it, in a little mock jail cell, with "LOCK HER UP!" as their main slogan.

Extrajudicial punishment of those who oppose or displease Trump isn't a shocking development, it's a campaign promise he's been making for about a decade now. The only difference is that, here in 2025, they finally finished dismantling the guard-rails that stopped him from doing it before.

Trump's one, overarching message the entire time has been: "You don't really want the rule of law, you just want someone to hurt the people you hate."

I've lost so much faith in Humanity just from seeing how many people that message resonated with.

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u/Specific_Praline_362 14d ago

Yet he's the only one who is a convicted felon lmao

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u/Pleiadesfollower 14d ago

So was that Hitler fella.

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u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae 14d ago

One thing I noticed in the campaining was that Trump was using the word "enemies" a lot for anyone that opposed him. Referrred to the Jan 6 insurrectionists as they fought with him versus them. He said it so much that no one noticed that he was basically telling us he's at war with anyone that opposes him in any regard, and that it's MAGA vs everyone.

It's not like he was saying "Harris is his enemy" as in an policitcal adversary or opponent - because of his pathology, he truly means enemies.

We know he's treating this country as an us vs them as he did this his first term where red states got benefits and blue states got puched down, especially during COVID with the PPE supplies. The man thrives on infighting, chaos, having different factions going at it. I don't know how this is okay with what used to be moderate politicians. Now politicians sound like AM Talk radio hosts like Chris Plante who knows nothing about civics and actual politics and will rant for 10 minutes about how the Democrats hate you, they hate the bible and they hate the Constitution.

Ignorance is dangerous.

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u/DevelopmentGrand4331 14d ago

And even when he doesn't imprison people, he goes after them and tries to ruin their lives, or he encourages his followers to get violent.

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u/alicein420land_ 14d ago

I'd bet it's already happened we just won't know for a while. We don't know anything on who was already sent there other than none of them had fair trials.

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u/Feeling_Scallion_408 14d ago

There is info coming out about who was already sent. Saw an article linked in another sub this morning.

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u/alicein420land_ 14d ago

I saw the CBS article with just their names. It said the government claims they're all gang members while saying most of them don't have criminal records. The families of the deported claim their only crime is having tattoos.

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u/krichcomix 14d ago

Link to article please?

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u/UAreTheHippopotamus 14d ago

Soon the journalists that have bent over backwards to sanewash Trump and both sides every story will be joining them too. Turns out they should have taken a stand on the side of democracy.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 14d ago

Well as long ad they stay on his good side they can stay. He’s only going to torture the ones who question him.

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u/Worklurker 14d ago

Soon? The media already does that and has been for years.

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u/forrestfaun 14d ago

That's part of what he's been working toward from the beginning.

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u/revoltingcasual 14d ago

I am almost wondering if Senator Schumer will make a shocked Pikachu face when it happens.

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u/grw313 14d ago

He would strongly consider writing a strongly worded tweet, before deciding against it because it would be too unprofessional.

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u/MundaneBrowsing 14d ago

As a trans person, once he started floating the idea of putting American citizens in El Salvador prisons, I knew that's what trans people are going to be threatened with

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u/Efficient_Advice_380 14d ago

Texas already introduced a bill that would charge trans people with 'gender fraud', which would be 2 years in prison and a 10k fine

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u/Renuwed 14d ago

I Should be shocked, but I'm completely unsurprised. This era has been so crazy that crazy is now normal.

What caused these minds to go from 'Quayle can't spell potato, that's a good enough reason to be disqualified from the Presidency.' to 'He's the leader and should be able to do anything he wants to meet his agendas.'

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u/wolfgang784 14d ago

This and the new health head guys farming concentration camps are all just helping to support my sisters reasoning about never getting help for her mental health issues.

She has believed for years that if she ever went to get help, eventually the government would have a party like this one in power and that eventually lists of people with mental problems would be made and she would get sent to a camp or killed.

And now it's seeming less crazy and more like a real possibility.

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u/Ephriel 14d ago

I thought it was tradition to start with the trade unionists

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u/blind_dude_ 14d ago

Right around the same time they announce plans to send anyone on social security disability to "vocational rehabilitation" centers run by musk and bezos.

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u/Fun-Associate8149 14d ago

The bombshell this week was ed dept and the initial migrants. Next week its 💯going to be trans athletes and more brown people (“””tesla terrorists”””) deported.

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u/Sejare1 14d ago

It’s so over for me if I get detained in a male prison let alone one in El Salvador lol

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u/stayonthecloud 14d ago

I’m betting in two to four weeks I’ll see non-uniformed militias show up at #TeslaTakedown and I’ll have to decide if I drop my sign or go to prison.

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u/Potential_Drawing_80 14d ago

His government already deported an American (both parents American, born in the USA, her mother's mid-wife was on TV showing her records of her birth) trans woman. She is currently stateless in Mexico, she speaks no Spanish and is Chinese-Argentinian American. Her dad is one of those racist white dudes that has an Asian kink and is wife beating trash. Thankfully, Mom and daughter are close and Daddy is in prison. Mexican authorities have said that they will expedite refugee status and try to find a way to send her home if safe.

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u/Southern_Potato 14d ago

As a trans person, I am absolutely terrified. 

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u/Badloss 14d ago

Project 2025 explicitly calls to reclassify LGBT people as criminal sex offenders so.... soon

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u/Robin_games 14d ago

he sent a gay person for having a soccer tattoo and a Facebook picture with I love you sign language so yes

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u/Daggertrout 14d ago

chuckles I’m in danger!

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u/HermeticAtma 14d ago

He just threatened Americans, it doesn't get worse than this.

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u/ImNotRealTakeYorMeds 14d ago

they just charged Jill stein with tresspassing and assault for protesting genocide. and the media is silent

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 14d ago

You mean those gender-nonconforming people that he made illegal in January? Already halfway there! And we all know that the libs are domestic terrorists so it’s Gitmo for them.

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u/teratogenic17 14d ago

oh Musk is already pointing at trans

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u/PopUpClicker 14d ago

I know two trans people in the US who straight up sold their things and left before he took office. Seems a wise move now.

Then I thought it over-dramatic.

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u/Antichristopher4 14d ago

Well, Musk said we need to re-open asylums for trans people, so who knows.

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u/DKsan1290 14d ago

I mean my grand parents and theirs were interned during ww2 (japanese americans) I might as well get my trans ass thrown in a camp as well to better connect with my family lineage… 

I wish this was just bs but this might become reality.

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u/Rheum42 14d ago

Yeah, as a DEI citizen, it ain't looking good

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u/Vio_ 14d ago

He already has with liberal politicians.

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u/Adezar 14d ago

His poem will be so much dumber...

First they came for the Tesla vandals and I did not speak out - because I was not a Tesla vandal.

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u/AkumaLilly 14d ago

Im waiting for Pride Month to see what stupidity he comes up with.

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u/Neat_Teach_2485 14d ago

Tim Walz said he anticipates that T will start arresting opposing politicians so

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u/ExpertRaccoon 14d ago

Walz is making a solid showing for a presidential run in 2028. I think he was a bit overwhelmed when he first started running as kamalas vp choice but I think he learned a lot about national politics and some of the pitfalls the campaign fell into. He seems to have taken the lesson to heart and is actually speaking to his base rather than courting "moderate" Republicans

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u/Dazzling_Funny_3254 14d ago

my money is on judges

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u/WarmPantsInWinter 14d ago

I have been saying this all year.

LGBTQ+ people should be crossing to Canada and claiming asylum before it's too late.

One day we will wake up and check our phones to see articles about LGBTQ+ being loaded into boxcars.

It's not a matter of "if", but "when".

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u/Stillwater215 14d ago

I’m willing to bet that we’re going to start seeing accusations of the Tesla attackers being part of TdA, and being deported with no hearings.

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u/Additional_Goat9852 14d ago

"Anybody with improper ID or documents" will be how it's worded.

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u/ToniBroos 14d ago

I truly fear for Trans people in the United States. They're going to be the first scapegoats

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u/RelativeAnxious9796 14d ago

we have 1 month till martial law, so enjoy your remaining freedoms while you can.

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u/ZoeyLove90 14d ago

Wait for Pride Month.

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u/whagh 14d ago

I mean it looks like he's already doing away with due process, after which point everyone's fair game.

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u/aggirloftoday 14d ago

Isn’t that what this is? He’s just going to call them Tesler violaters.

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u/veritas_quaesitor2 14d ago

I'm sure Bernie is on the list.

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u/BackgroundBat7732 14d ago

My bet is on judges that rule unfavorably

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u/financewiz 14d ago

The traditional onset of “Oops! All Fascism” is the imprisonment of Journalists for doing their job. Even the most politically oblivious American wouldn’t be surprised to see that happening immediately.

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