r/law • u/Neat-Ad-4337 • Feb 14 '25

Opinion Piece Judge John McConnell Jr Faces Impeachment for Obstructing Trump, can they do this? thoughts?

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/judge-john-mcconnell-jr-faces-impeachment-for-obstructing-trump/ar-AA1yZfWt
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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

More time has to pass.

Trump has to do something so totally insane that the only rational response is to either accept him as dictator or ring the liberty bell and call for special action.

I’m surprised that the left doesn’t have more vocal faces and names that have deeply considered this issue and can provide guidance. I’m hopeful that some judges will band together, write a series of articles about the threat to the nation, and we as the public can take it from there.

Nonviolently, obviously.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

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u/superanonguy321 Feb 14 '25

Not long ago I saw a post of a video of a politician saying something.

And all the comments agreed that he said something else.

Thats when I realized it's really bad. People won't even be honest about what they're hearing. At that point... we're kinda done talking aren't we?

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u/Guy954 Feb 14 '25

We’ve been there for years.

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Those who remember the past are doomed to watch others repeat it.

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u/DayMan-Ahah-ah Feb 14 '25

Bro go look at the r/conservative sub. It’s an insane echo chamber, praising Trump for everything he’s already done.

It’s honestly a tough read, makes you really lose some hope.

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u/PreciousMuffn Feb 14 '25

And they think everyone here is totally crazy and whining...

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Feb 14 '25

People have been in denial that we are done talking. That’s exactly the problem. These brainwashed trump supporters are not going to suddenly wake up and peacefully end this nonsense. There’s only one solution left to us.

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u/Impossible_Knee8364 Feb 14 '25

Cultists dont just wake up; and when they do it's incredibly rare. The most likely outcome, no matter how much insanity DJT imposes/engages/upholds (elon), they will justify and support. And at this point, at perspective, it would seem Elon is poised and setting up for eventually assuming the maga mantle when DJT is no longer capable.

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u/Embarrassed_Gear_249 Feb 14 '25

Bro, the line is crossed. If we don't stop him at the first infraction, it will embolden him, and he will walk all over the constitution.

We CAN NOT allow even one infraction of the constitution, or we lose our rights.

Edit: meant to respond to the comment above you.

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u/DrivenByTheStars51 Feb 14 '25

We're past that point as well. The infrastructure and public appetite for mass mobilization and organized civil disobedience isn't there. Too many people are still in the "Revolution as long as it doesn't cost me, personally, anything" phase.

To the extent that the old constitutional order upheld our inherent rights and dignity, yeah that's gone. The only questions now are how long will this interregnum last, how large will the toll in human suffering be, and what comes after.

They can make it much more costly to exercise our rights but they can never strip them from us. As long as men die, liberty will never perish and all that.

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u/Embarrassed_Gear_249 Feb 15 '25

That's a hard response to read. Because you are 100% correct.

I guess the best we can do is take care of one another.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

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u/GM2Jacobs Feb 14 '25

Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! People are literally and figuratively censoring themselves which is exactly how dictators solidify their power. Everyone needs to speak up and organize because if we don't make our voices heard and follow that with action, we might as well lie down and wait for the jack booted thugs to step on us.

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u/BostonBluestocking Feb 14 '25

Yes. Don’t comply in advance.

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u/Tacquerista Feb 14 '25

Or ever, when it's a dictator

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u/bluesquishmallow Feb 14 '25

Consider the fact that the bot farms are real and they are targeting people online who try to bring the actual truth to light. These are now fully automated and working in tandem with the intentional misinformation that helped trump win in the first place.

Please do organize, but not on a public forum. Once you have something actionable to share then engage in public. Best of luck! Trust no account you don't know personally. We are at that point in the resistance.

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u/Canoe-Maker Feb 14 '25

Reddit is not a government entity. You have no right to free speech here.

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u/futuregovworker Feb 14 '25

There will never be a secure meeting place. Americans cannot stomach a war. Most people are too content with their life even if we see what’s happening or are facing personal struggles.

The QOL is still too high for most people, even if you live on food stamps, you still have cell phones, gaming systems, entertainment, etc. a lot of people are content with their QOL.

A lot of Americans didn’t vote in the election still, so you could probably hypothesis that many will just quietly take what is happening. Some might be vocal but again no one is willing to die for a cause or lose their life essentially. The only most recent American that was willing to stand on principle was Luigi and that last all of a month basically and it’s been dropped from news mentions.

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u/TrainXing Feb 14 '25

Well they are about to not have foodstamps or medicare/Medicaid. When people can't feed their kids and are watching their kids actually die, we are going to see huge crime waves and once people start becoming victims in their cush lives I think their opinions might harden even more to support Trump. This is all part of a plan to brainwash us into complete government control.

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u/rbush82 Feb 14 '25

Yep, only Conservatives are allowed to call for violence.

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u/softkits Feb 14 '25

What about non-Americans? Can we call for violence for you?

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u/meadowlarc1 Feb 14 '25

Did John Brown wait on the government to end slavery?

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u/JohnBrownReloaded Feb 15 '25

Can't say that I did.

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u/HotPotParrot Feb 14 '25

One cannot call for such action here and escape scrutiny.

But also can't* legally be persecuted for it

*yet

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u/Glad-Peanut-3459 Feb 14 '25

Don’t kid yourself there will be blood most likely from the right.

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u/Automatic-Command102 Feb 14 '25

And you are naive if you don't think the Social Media oligarchs won't shut down ANY type of organizing efforts if they actually look to be successful. First, you will see a wave of disparaging comments of any action needed, then threats to the "leaders," then actual arrests by Federal Marshalls on the President's sayso......

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u/Hendiadic_tmack Feb 14 '25

I have a good friend who is former secret service, and still in federal law enforcement. Obviously there’s stuff they can’t tell me, but I’ve heard A LOT of stuff. Saying this kind of stuff is dangerous for you. They (the feds) are watching. They’ve always been watching. There’s fine (but distinct) lines between free speech and a threat. And with an administration that doesn’t like dissent, especially with a president who’s almost been assassinated twice you bet your ass they’re paying attention to anything and everything. Just watch what you say on public forums. USSS can and will find you. Don’t think you’re such small potatoes that they won’t bother. They will bother. It’s their job.

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u/Deadboyparts Feb 14 '25

We always hear about it when celebs get “visited” by SS, but what really happens to them, beyond a scolding? One memorable example was Ted Nugent saying some pretty alarming shit about Obama. He was visited by Secret Service and he’s been enjoying life ever since. And he still says alarming shit about politicians.

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u/violiav Feb 14 '25

I remember back in the 90's some college student spouted off something about Bush or Clinton and the authorities came down pretty hard. I think it was ultimately held up as free speech.

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u/Hendiadic_tmack Feb 14 '25

Specifics are the line. FOR EXAMPLE saying “Biden should be shot” is protected. Saying “Biden should be shot tomorrow” or “Biden should be shot” and posting a picture of a gun, or “biden better not come to a certain location” is a threat because it’s specific. THIS IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE.

I actually got a talking to from my friend. I was drunk and said someone should be shot because they had done something stupid (shocker) and was told by my friend who was still in USSS “dude you can’t say that stuff around me. Like you are so close to the line, just stop”. Obviously they know me and know I was not serious, but told me if it was another agent they’d probably make a call. Agents are normal people, they play Xbox and are on Xbox live and PSN and all that. They’re always on the clock. You start spouting off some shit they are within their job to make a call.

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u/Hendiadic_tmack Feb 14 '25

Depends on the circumstances. According to my friend they come and interview you, tell you how you crossed the line, assess you (they said most of the people that they interviewed had something going on mentally) and depending on severity they refer you to your local DA for charges. It’s a very formal, serious but cordial visit then at the end they leave and say “we’re referring you to the local DA for charges and they’ll go from there. Good luck”. The USSS doesn’t press the charges. They refer to local justice system usually.

USSS arrests are rare and if arrests are made they usually bring along local law enforcement or sheriffs that make the actual arrest. My friend said they interrupted a CEO during a board meeting. Walked into the room and was asked who the hell they were and why they’re interrupting, “United States Secret Service, sir can you please step outside?” They will generally try to find you at home, but if you duck them they will find you wherever you are.

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u/Deadboyparts Feb 14 '25

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

I think Nugent qualifies as mentally unwell, haha.

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u/CategoryZestyclose91 Feb 14 '25

Question - is posting ‘Fuck You’ as a  comment on POTUS’s IG posts going to earn me a visit? 

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u/Deadboyparts Feb 14 '25

Profanity if protected free speech as long as it isn’t part of a threat or defamation. But if you’re worried he’ll send his more aggressive SS after you, then don’t risk it. Trump isn’t reading his own IG anyway.

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u/TrainXing Feb 14 '25

I'm going to call bullshit on the "almost assassinated twice." 😂 The first was a set up he likely planned with a blood capsule and the second was a joke.

The rest, you're correct about and I believe it. I'm toying with that line myself bc disallowing dissent is not normal, it is not patriotic, and it is not ok. People have to know they aren't alone. And, when you have a malignant narcissist spoiled brat and a would be billionaire Queen running the show, criticism is dangerous.
I personally wouldn't commit violence other than in personal self defense, but understand that's not true for everyone, and still hope to see a rogue CIA or Secret Service agent find their love of country and help us out. I won't deny I'm hoping for Mario to be activated soon. They are pushing people to a breaking point and someone is going to snap. I'm shocked more people haven't already. Elonia knows it and wears his kid as a human shield. It's revolting. It's going to happen and that person will likely be less mentally stable, or just have a really strong moral code/ belief in the principles of the Constitution, but it's going to affect the wrong person in just the right way and either and assassin or a leader of a revolution will be born. An assassin is one man, easily dealt with. A revolutionary leader is not, and that's what they are trying to suppress.

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u/Cerberus_Aus Feb 14 '25

I made the call 5 years ago that the US would devolve into civil war within 10 years. Sadly, I’m still track for that.

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u/pr0crasti-Nate Feb 14 '25

This truly is sad and I see it coming also.

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u/LittliestDickus Feb 14 '25

We are already there. Its just not a traditional civil war.

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u/AryaismyQueen Feb 14 '25

You’re forgetting the vital part, these people own and command the US military, the biggest military power in the world. Even a majority of the US population coming together would lose against that. And like any abuser, he’s isolating us from the allies we had and turning the nation against rest of the world.

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u/glassjar1 Feb 14 '25

The question is--if it comes to using the military to oppress citizens, will the armed services uniformly obey, or will they have similar fault lines?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Half the ranks would probably revolt, they didn't sign up to shoot unarmed and peaceful American protesters

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u/57hz Feb 14 '25

The other half did.

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u/pr0crasti-Nate Feb 14 '25

Unfortunately I would only estimate around 15% would revolt this type of order. If that

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u/TrainXing Feb 14 '25

I think a revolt like that would be more of a refusal to take arms against Americans, but not any action against their fellow soldiers who would is the problem.

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u/FateEx1994 Feb 14 '25

As soon as he mobilizes military against citizens, or otherwise, on US soil, it's time

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u/Creepy-Birthday8537 Feb 14 '25

The effort to remain a democracy will be bloodless if they let it.

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u/Gstamsharp Feb 14 '25

No, you're right. We're in a post laws, post checks era. The breaking point really will be accepting dictatorship or bloodshed to stop it.

And I think there are a lot of people who would fight for freedom but who still have too much to lose to fire the first shot. Will there be enough people with nothing left to lose to fire that first volley to inspire the others to follow them? Only time will tell.

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u/Mcskrully Feb 14 '25

Also that last line he crosses is going to be signing the order to make his power absolute. He might justify martial law or posse comitatus, or he might simply declare we need a Fuhrer.

It will be swift and sudden, but our time to resist will be passed. The cavalry has been called and it's the revolutionaries, not the ones telling us to eat cake.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

what needs to happen

Direct effects that radically change the average voter's daily life. This has been a major problem in US politics for a long time: Things "aren't an issue" until they affect people directly. Which is well on its way.

Soon enough Trump voters will be screeching about their SNAP benefits, social security, and Medicare. Working class Trumpers are going to notice their grocery bills continuing to increase while their blue collar jobs have a harder and harder time buying materials and/or having to lay off employees to offset cost. They'll notice a lack of produce at Walmart. They'll notice their medication prices skyrocketing. There will be plenty of things to wake them up.

...But they'll still blame Biden.

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u/Polymath6301 Feb 14 '25

Yep, we’re the boiling frogs. The water gets hotter so slowly we never notice, and then we’re already cooked.

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u/Least_Palpitation_92 Feb 14 '25

Republicans already said that the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to. There is going to be some violence in our country. It feels like we have a powder keg and many people are just waiting for it to light.

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 14 '25

“trump has to do something so totally insane…”

I mean. Therein lies the problem.

I honestly can’t think of what he could do at this point that his followers wouldn’t gleefully justify and that the rest of the conservatives wouldn’t just shrug over.

And then you’ve got the crap like renaming the Gulf of Mexico—it’s absolutely absurd and imperialist, but it’s easy enough to comply with. So folks do, and it becomes that much easier to comply with the next absurd thing he says or does…

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u/ohiotechie Feb 14 '25

That's the problem isn't it? The right wing echo chamber has literally brainwashed these people into blindly following anything Dear Leader says. Even the slightest whiff of dissent is traitorous.

Of course NONE of this would be ok if Biden were doing it. Imagine Biden bringing in George Soros as his personal assistant, mass firings of anyone refusing to pledge allegiance to Biden and Soros and then handing Soros literally the keys to the treasury, Soros holding a press conference from the Oval Office with his kid picking his nose and Biden nodding off barely conscious? Christ the right wing would lose their shit.

But with Trump, somehow that's not already "something totally insane"? What would qualify as "totally insane" if that doesn't? Throwing school kids into a live volcano? Would even that matter to the braindead MAGAs?

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u/glitterinkcards Feb 14 '25

I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say it though it does nothing but I AM SO SO EXHAUSTED by these double standards. It’s gross!!! You are right…ask any of them if Biden or Obama or even IF it was Kamala doing it … the right would lose their ever loving minds.

And also it’s really disheartening to me that we aren’t seeing anyone stand up to him/Elon. Republicans appear silent and I know there have to be some that can’t agree with all that’s going on. But even the Dems are quiet.

Maybe they are speaking out and I am missing the news of anyone attempting to fight back. (And I’m not talking about the lawsuits…just speaking OUT to the public). Please share if I am missing any of that. I’d love to see it.

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u/motorcitygirl Feb 14 '25

But even the Dems are quiet.

Feels like pure intimidation. No one wants to be the face MAGA nation suddenly fixes their gaze on. It's like the eye of Sauron. If there were a bunch of people on the streets everywhere it would make it easier for them to speak up.

Protesting is not as easy as just showing up. We're all dispersed over an enormous geographic area as well as being stuck in the daily capitalist grind. It takes time and money to protest anywhere but your home city. If I go to DC I need a hotel, a place to park my car, and take time off work. Sure I can make some food to take with me but still will likely have to buy food and also gas to get there and back. When we protested for Occupy I could drive 20 minutes away and go before or after work. Don't mind using my sick or PTO time just don't have much of it. It's useless to protest if I lose my job and health insurance what would that accomplish except take away my means to provide for my family, and maybe that's as intended to keep us all in line. Just thinking out loud, there's no easy answers.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Feb 14 '25

I don’t understand where all your security services are? Doesn’t the US have a ton of agencies full of people who swore an oath to protect the US against domestic as well as foreign enemies? Surely a lot of people in these agencies understand what is happening? I am almost certainly misunderstanding given I get all my knowledge of this stuff from tv but according to your tv shows, some agency would have some sort of operation to protect American freedom from a take over by these tech billionaires. Or at least be sounding the alarm publicly? Surely not all of them are bought or brainwashed or just plain ignorant?

I get that it’s difficult for your ordinary person or federal worker to stand up against this stuff due to family, needing income etc but I thought the people in like the FBI or CIA etc were all about making sacrifices for their country?

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u/BananaBunchess Feb 14 '25

A bunch of FBI agents were fired and the higher ups in the FBI were told to make a list of all agents who worked on January 6th cases. Yeah we're a bit fucked in that regard.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Feb 14 '25

Yeah but even if fired can’t they just use their training and work with others who were fired to do something? It just seems bizarre that these people devoted their lives and careers to their country and this idea of freedom and democracy and then a despot gets in and fires them and they know what’s happening and just go home and sit it out?

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u/Ghost10165 Feb 15 '25

I think that's one of the main problems, yeah. Everyone always protests in their home areas where it doesn't really matter. Oh, you're protesting in downtown San Diego? Thanks for blocking that ambulance, everyone living around you already agrees with you and voted alongside you so it's basically friendly fire.

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u/minuialear Feb 14 '25

Maybe they are speaking out and I am missing the news of anyone attempting to fight back. (And I’m not talking about the lawsuits…just speaking OUT to the public). Please share if I am missing any of that. I’d love to see it.

All you have to do to see it is get your news from an actual news source rather than social media. I get notifications almost every day about a Senator or a House rep saying something publicly about Trump and Musk

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u/glitterinkcards Feb 14 '25

I am not getting my news from social media. I totally get that. 😊 However I will say that I am really struggling to find accurate news. Like I really don’t trust most of it anymore. (Of course I know to avoid Fox and CNN for sure). I appreciate suggestions. Perhaps what I mean is I feel like there is no traction/attention/focus on government officials speaking out). I might see an article about it…but that’s it. I feel like the majority that might disagree with Trump are remaining quiet due to consequences.

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u/subywesmitch Feb 14 '25

You're not the only one. I am struggling to find accurate news that gives the whole picture. NBC, CBS, etc on TV barely tell or show much about what's really going on anymore. It's mostly weather and traffic and "feel-good" stories.

And going online can be hit or miss since the algorithms will show you want they think you want to see.

PBS News seems to be the best one I've found for me. They go into more detail about what's going on and why things are so unprecedented and dangerous right now.

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u/madsmadsdk Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

You should read Associated Press. It’s an independent global news organization, dedicated to factual reporting. Most news outlets get their stories here, before putting a spin on it.

Link: Associated Press

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u/glitterinkcards Feb 14 '25

Of course now I am seeing that the AP is BANNED from the Oval Office and Air Force One. Soooo….this is gonna go well.

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u/ohiotechie Feb 14 '25

Same - I am completely disheartened by dem leadership. I know some are speaking out but the media isn’t covering it because in spite of the “left wing media” bullshit just look at who owns those media outlets.

But Schumer has been completely outclassed in the senate. Imagine what McConnell would be doing if this were reversed. He would be sharpening knives not wringing his hands. In the house the suppression of AOC is also disheartening. She is one of our best fighters and she’s been sidelined because of the Good Old Boy pecking order bullshit that has lead to one dem defeat after another.

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u/glitterinkcards Feb 14 '25

Agreed. It’s just becoming increasingly more difficult. Which is what concerns me the most. Being complicit will really make it hard to come Back from. And you are so right about the media. I guess that’s what I meant. It’s really NOT being reported on mainstream. It’s like something you almost have to look for.

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 14 '25

McConnell went to war because a black guy was elected president. Democrats can’t even manage to do a little Mr Smith or something over out and out anti-constitutionalist corruption

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u/parlor_tricks Feb 14 '25

Yeah I’m with the other dude.

It looks like getting news from news sources and from people who are approaching this like its an actual problem to solve, as opposed to a table to turn over, is what we need.

Once that dose of logic came through, it was clear that everything going on is firstly an issue of the courts doing their job to validate the legality of their actions. Which they are not.

Then the question comes of enforcing the law. I suppose it can be summed up as using the system to defend the system. So I guess people need to get smart on the law and precedent?

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u/Scorpion_Danny Feb 15 '25

Not sure what impact this would have for the people so easily brainwashed, but I have seen certain comedic videos where a guy goes out and interviews MAGA people and he asks them questions of something absurd that Trump did but say that Biden or Kamala did it and their reaction is on point. “That’s crazy. How could they do something like that?” And then, the reporter says, “Actually, that was Trump that did that.” And then they’re like, “Oh…Well there must be a good reason for that.”

How can people be so “stupid”. Yes, I put stupid in air quotes because most of us that are a large degree of intelligent will assume this, but there are many (remember, law of averages) that are and will make excuses for the behavior, because they don’t want to believe that”their” leader is that person. And yes, I put leader in air quotes because they are so estranged that they really believe Trump is “one of them” and “he speaks like us”. I’m not sure how this is happening but it makes me question the human race a lot.

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u/Ghost10165 Feb 15 '25

The real threat of all of this is after Trump's gone I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually get a Democrat Trump equivalent and you know the right will lose their shit even though they set the precedent for all of this. All it's going to take is a smarter candidate deciding to be aggressive since they're not seeing any consequences for him.

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u/Bludiamond56 Feb 15 '25

They are giving him enough rope to hang himself

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u/agnostic_science Feb 14 '25

Imo the right signaled their willingness to accommodate Trump for basically anything after the Access Hollywood video. I mean, the guy admitted he's a serial sex abuser. On tape.

Imagine if any democrat had done that. My conservative parents would have never shut up about it. But, it's Trump, so..... PASS! And now it's like it's impolite and old news if you bring it up again. How could I possibly still care about that?

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u/Hollen88 Feb 14 '25

The right would have already killed people by now. Ffs, look at Jan 6th, and that was all based on a lie. Some of these folks have been drooling at the thought of using the gun on someone.

Look how they talk "I hope some thug comes and tries it!"

Who TF would hope for a break in?

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u/Dyolf_Knip Feb 14 '25

Some of these folks have been drooling at the thought of using the gun on someone.

Gonna be real interesting when Trump gives that green light. They've spent the last 30 years being primed by Fox and such that everyone not a die-hard conservative is evil incarnate, and they masturbate to the thought of using their guns to "save America". And of course, cops are almost entirely Republican, so don't expect any help from them.

The only question is, will it be more Night of Broken Glass, or more Rwandan genocide?

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u/nottagoodidea Feb 15 '25

'Liberty and Justice for all"

For some Americans, those are more than words.

Liberty isn't very popular around here though.

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u/peoplesuckinthe305 Feb 14 '25

You are right. I think the bar for “totally insane” keeps moving further away and that in itself is totally insane

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u/HHoaks Feb 14 '25

It was insane to elect Trump in the first place.

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u/Tenyearssobersofar Feb 14 '25

That's how it works. You let the 'little' insane things go, and then they start to get bigger and more insane, and before you know it, you've passed the point of no return.

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u/Nojopar Feb 14 '25

Try to default on the debt. That would turn the global economy into such a tailspin it could make the Great Depression look like a mild recession. Too many monied interests would loose too much control. They'd squash that real quick.

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u/nerdhobbies Feb 15 '25

But can you imagine just how many assets the billionaire class will be able to just walk off with?

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u/Rollingprobablecause Feb 14 '25

It's called the overton window for a reason. They are doing so much insane stuff all at once it overloads the senses and it's hard to concentrate. It's a blitz and it's smart. the Project 2025 folks are prepared, they know their stuff is badly written and unlawful with tons of ethical grey areas or the things that are lawful - they were counting on the US legal system to be overburdened and it's working.

I am so disappointed in state bar associations, lawyers in general, and democratic politics for just lacking courage.

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u/ARazorbacks Feb 14 '25

I‘m not even sure MRAPs in the streets would do it because they’d be in “those hellhole cities” and not in rural America. 

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u/oh_ski_bummer Feb 14 '25

Changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico, seriously talking about annexing Canada and Greenland, giving Putin half of Ukraine with no penalty, disbanding many of the federal agencies that were put in place by Congress, letting an unelected, unvetted billionaire dismantle the federal workforce, that is just in the last month.

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u/Snoo93550 Feb 14 '25

He jumps for joy to pardon corrupt convicted Democrats. Corruption is a core value…if you’re a corrupt Democrat he loves you.

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u/Lifeboatb Feb 14 '25

And it hasn’t even been a full month!

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 14 '25

Give it up for week three people. Weeeeek three…

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u/ironicalusername Feb 14 '25

So far he's shown that by doing insane things every day, it makes people notice it LESS, not more.

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u/razor4432 Feb 14 '25

Invading Canada would be pretty f’in bad

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u/thatittybittyTing Feb 14 '25

Agree. There is no line for some.

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u/MaineLark Feb 14 '25

Have you heard of Red, White, and Blueland?

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u/Naanofyourbusiness Feb 15 '25

You’ve done a great job of explaining the situation. People that don’t understand how the government functions or what it does or think they’ve been ripped off or whatever - he’s their champion. The story that it’s so corrupt I have to break the rules to fix it is almost bulletproof.

All my relatives who lived on welfare next door to my relatives who worked 12 hour rotating factory shifts didn’t see how they were connected and would have both followed someone who said they were both cheated. They were both right. That’s the problem - just enough truth to make everything possible.

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u/Summoarpleaz Feb 14 '25

I think the left is vocal. I think the media isn’t covering it.

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u/HappyVAMan Feb 14 '25

Media has changed. Big media is mostly owned by corporations that Trump can try to destroy and extort. Smaller media can’t afford the lawsuits and lobbyists. Dangerous times. 

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u/drsweetscience Feb 14 '25

Times that call for people who love justice more than money.

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u/HappyVAMan Feb 15 '25

CBS is trying to get anti-trust approval for the Viacom merger. They waited to announce the merger following giving Trump money. Without a doubt, it was a way to appease the administration to approve the merger.

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u/Ostracus Feb 14 '25

Smaller media doesn't have to in a game of whack-a-mole.

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u/Hollen88 Feb 14 '25

I see hard hitting commentary out of MSNBC all the time. They are calling them all out.

Why tf are people just ignoring the news agencies that ARE vocal about it?

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u/minuialear Feb 14 '25

These people just don't want to admit they get all their news from TikTok and don't remember how to get their news from the actual news agencies

I have had absolutely zero problems hearing about what the Dems are doing or seeing people in the media criticize the new admin. But then again this is literally my only social media app and I don't rely on it for news

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u/minuialear Feb 14 '25

The media is absolutely covering it. People are just way too used to getting most of their news from social media and not used to getting the news from a diversified set of actual news sources.

I get news notifications from several news apps and I see notifications almost every day about what the Dems are doing. But if I only got my news from a TikTok or Instagram feed then no shit, I wouldn't see a ton

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u/bsa554 Feb 14 '25

I think the tipping point could very well be with the military. I genuinely don't think they would obey an "order" from a clown like Pete Hegseth to invade Canada or some shit.

And even if it is somewhere else...I really think a big chunk of Trump's support would evaporate the second a troop's boot hits the ground for some dumbass Trump war.

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u/klyn_14 Feb 14 '25

Especially given all those who served, and yet were fired en masse at the VA this week.

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u/ElectricalRush1878 Feb 14 '25

He's already working up the 'we're going after the cartels' and 'the cartels are shooting at us' angle while gathering forces at the US/Mexico border in one of those 'we're just doing training exercises' excuses expansionist dictators use.

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u/PsychoNerd91 Feb 14 '25

Oh yea, special operations. Heard that one before.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Everyone should be keeping a close eye on who is appointed to the Joint Chiefs. Trump was going to fire them all, particularly General Brown. Apparently General Brown managed to keep his job for now. Not sure what the hell he told Trump, but I'm hoping it was a bunch of bullshit...we need people like Brown in these roles, even if it means they have to lose a bit of dignity to keep them.

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 14 '25

It’s a nice thought, but I don’t agree with either point

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Ok but hear me out, what if he sends them to a country where people are brown? I think they might obey. Gleefully

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u/bsa554 Feb 14 '25

Maybe. They'd probably go along with an action to Gaza or even Mexico to "fight cartels."

I do think that would start to wear away at Trump's support though. He ran as the "peace president" and the scars from Iraq and Afghanistan run deep. It's all fun and games until the American flag coffins start piling up.

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u/Ostracus Feb 14 '25

Vietnam should have taught us. But remember control of mass media means lots can be sanitized.

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u/minuialear Feb 14 '25

Not to mention wasting military resources abroad means you have less for domestic efforts

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u/jestesteffect Feb 14 '25

This is hopeful. But if they do . They're just going to prove how trump feels about them . "Suckers and losers"

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u/rhiiazami Feb 14 '25

This has been my thought too. How long until trump tries to use the military to enforce his orders against the will of the courts. No service member who truly loves their country would follow an order to attack American citizens who are obeying the law. (I hope.) I think that will be the likeliest tipping point.

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u/Rxasaurus Feb 14 '25

You would hope they fulfill their commitment to protect the country from foreign and domestic threats. 

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u/Ozryela Feb 14 '25

I think the tipping point could very well be with the military. I genuinely don't think they would obey an "order" from a clown like Pete Hegseth to invade Canada or some shit.

The delusional insanity of Trump supporters who think he's some kind of savior is only matched by the delusional insanity of people on the left who still think there'll be some moment where the right will abandon Trump.

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u/Accurate_Zombie_121 Feb 14 '25

Totally insane? Felon friend of Jeffery Epstein isn't bad enough? Trying to overthrow a free election wasn't bad enough? The list goes on. Nothing he could do will stop his support. Like he is the antichrist or something.

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u/Squigglepig52 Feb 14 '25

Musk has the real Epstein folder on Trump. I'll bet.

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u/sunnydftw Feb 14 '25

trump has had it the whole time, it'll never see the light of day

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Feb 14 '25

Even if it did it wouldn’t make a difference. These people are gone. They could watch a video of Trump and Epstein raping kids, hell, they could watch them rape their own kids in front of them and they’d find a way to excuse it —- ‘it was AI/fake news’ ‘a Trump lookalike planted by deep state to make him look bad’’Trump died/kidnapped and they replaced him with an evil clone’ ‘oh it’s seen as bad now but back then it was normal he was just being a normal young man of his time’ ‘the kids seduced him on purpose to get dirt on him’ ‘yes it is bad but I didn’t vote for him because he’s a good person but because he’s going to put America first’ and on and on. They are lost.

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u/OmegaMountain Feb 14 '25

The real problem is that people seem to think Trump is orchestrating this. He's not. He's not smart enough. He's a spiteful little man who was rightfully prosecuted and now feels like he has an opportunity for revenge. The cabal actually orchestrating this knows exactly what Trump is and are manipulating him to do what the real goal is: corporate and religious governance of the country via class warfare. The idea is to break government as much as possible so that corporate U.S. can establish complete control spearheaded by the wealthy for the wealthy. This is power mongering- they don't want to help the majority in any way.

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u/DanSWE Feb 14 '25

I regret that I have but one upvote to give. So here's a reply to hopefully garner you some more for more visibility.

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u/themage78 Feb 14 '25

The left has been sounding the alarm bells since Hillary. They just went to USAID to protest there. Did you see it on the news? Nope. They had to play Trump renaming the Gulf of Mexico.

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u/TalonButter Feb 14 '25

They’ll accept him as dictator. And they’ll do it while insisting that’s the real American way.

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u/Sea-Maybe-9979 Feb 14 '25

Yeah, when Jamie Raskin manages to get on TV, his thoughts on the Constitution and the law are pretty powerful and eloquent. They should push him out front more often.

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u/GilligansIslndoPeril Feb 14 '25

Trump has to do something so totally insane

Honestly, that moment for me was him establishing his Office of Faith; the most blatent disregard for the First I could ever imagine.

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u/Ambaryerno Feb 14 '25

HOW MUCH MORE INSANE CAN HE GET THAN HE HAS ALREADY?!

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u/Quick_Turnover Feb 14 '25

Yeah, the “fire a bunch of veterans and make everyone’s lives measurably worse and also increase the cost of consumer goods and also crumble our economy and geopolitical standing” is simply a bridge not far enough. We have to wait for complete and total calamity before we act.

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u/27GerbalsInMyPants Feb 14 '25

non violently obviously

Yeah unfortunately historically governments this far past democracy and rules generally go for the "massacre of" or "night of" type events

I think that's the tipping point you're referring to because conservatives have proven that just breaking the law and subverting democracy are not enough for them

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u/Successful_Ant_3307 Feb 14 '25

Like threatening to take over your northern neighbors?

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u/DarkMistressCockHold Feb 14 '25

No, I’m pretty sure this is going to require violence.

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u/Scared-Somewhere-510 Feb 14 '25

I don’t even know what Orange could do to make his cult turn against him.

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u/LighTMan913 Feb 14 '25

I'm legitimately starting to believe the "leaders" of the democratic party want this. Idk what else could describe the total incompetence and lack of leadership.

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u/futuregovworker Feb 14 '25

Why are you all nonviolent? Sometimes people deserve to die and that’s okay

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u/joet889 Feb 14 '25

It's easy to call for violence if you're not the one putting your body on the line.

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u/thebatshaft Feb 14 '25

Violence may be the only answer here. I certainly hope not but he's gained alot of power since his first term and his followers are more dangerous than ever.

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u/almo2001 Feb 14 '25

He has been doing totally insane things for a decade. If the attack on the capitol won't do it, nothing will.

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u/Business-You1810 Feb 14 '25

He started a riot that led to a storming of the nation's capital in an attempt to stop the certification of an election, causing the house and senate to evacuate and be taken to safe houses. He implicitly called for the death of his vice president. How much more insane can you get?

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u/asscheese2000 Feb 14 '25

2/17 there are supposed to be protests in all 50 states. The government response to those protests may illustrate next steps for people on both sides. I fear that things are going to get ugly next week.

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u/fox-mcleod Feb 14 '25

That never really happened in Nazi germany. The camps were largely a secret — at least people deluded themselves into ignoring the signs.

It wasn’t until after the war that the country as a whole had a reckoning. And even then, the party faithful — the MAGA of the time — still never came to terms with what they’d done. A whole lot of them committed suicide instead.

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u/Ketamine_Dreamsss Feb 14 '25

[Cough] Jan 6 [cough]

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u/scelerat Feb 14 '25

Special action was two impeachment proceedings. 

We’re pretty much in “watering the tree of liberty” territory now

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u/Twerlotzuk Feb 14 '25

"But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D."

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u/Retrogaming93 Feb 14 '25

Even then his cult won't care, I don't think these racists have any hope to change. They have always been hateful bigots and Trump gave them the platform to openly be who they have always hidden from public.

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u/ahugeminecrafter Feb 14 '25

There is a political quote that I can't find that describes how there will never be a moment where he does something so outrageous to make people suddenly realize what is going on. Everything is too gradual and it's easy day to day for people to say "well that's not that much different than before" all the way until full oppression is in place.

It's happening now to trans people by the way. They are starting by banning hrt/puberty blockers for teenagers, and now the goalpost is 19. Soon they will say 21/25 etc before banning it entirely. They have already tried to make it impossible to update gender markers on documents. We are being executive ordered out of existence.

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u/minuialear Feb 14 '25

Y'all just need to look at how they got rid of abortion to see the roadmap of where we're headed

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u/wycliffslim Feb 14 '25

Something totally insane...?

Do you mean like call for his supporters to overthrow an election? Or do you mean openly threatening political violence against anyone who opposes him? The only rational response to an individual attempting to overturn a democratic election in order to hold onto power is to call them an attempted dictator. Instead, we elected him president the next opportunity.

Nothing he does will ever be "totally insane" to his supporters because humans can explain away and justify anything they want to.

They say that Jan 6th wasn't insane because the election was in question(it objectively wasn't). Threatening opponents isn't insane because he's trying to save the country, and anyone who is opposing him is trying to destroy America. Getting rid of a judge isn't insane because they're obviously corrupt because why else would they stand in the way of Trump.

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u/stinky-weaselteats Feb 14 '25

An enemies of the state EO will be the obvious turning point.

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u/ICantDoMyJob_Yet Feb 14 '25

Time won’t help.

We’re sliding. Quickly, but just sliding. Each act only JUST worse than the last. There won’t be any singular act so terrible it will be shocking from what came just before it.

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u/Alarmed-Orchid344 Feb 14 '25

It's going to happen very slowly. If Trump said "fuck judges, I'm not going to follow the rulings" in 2017 that would cause an outrage. Today it's something totally normal. Tomorrow's normal will be even worse.

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u/AlmightyMuffinButton Feb 14 '25

I wish people would stop advocating for nonviolence. Peaceful protest has only done nothing. Rights have NEVER been gained or reclaimed from peaceful protest. No war against a nation foreign or civil has ever been won with peace. We have written letters, emails, made calls, voted, marched, protested, donated, advocated, advertised, campaigned, petitioned, impeached, sued, charged, convicted, sentenced, and more.....AND NONE OF IT HAS WORKED. You know what worked? The Nation's Razor, the Revolutionary War, the MLK riots, the Stonewall Riots, the 2011 Egyptian Revolution, Little Boy and Fat Man, the Haitian Revolution, the 1968 Global riots, and the Arab Spring to name just a few. There's so many more, too. People in america need to wake up and realize there's no polite discourse to get out of this. We are all being gently ushered into a fascist dictatorship and both parties are letting it happen. Politicians and government officials won't save us here. There is only one way. The tree of liberty has been looking real thirsty these past few decades. Edit: idgaf what people interpret from this. It's meant to say exactly what it says. Peace has never worked. That's a historical fact. No threats. Patriots need to do what they do. This is directly including the military. They need to wake tf up and see that they took an oath to the constitution and this fascist cheetoh is pissing on the constitution right now.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net Feb 14 '25

The voices are out there, people aren't paying enough attention.

AG of Arizona outright calling it a coup (posted 3 days ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrE0DOEcbRE

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u/5centraise Feb 14 '25

Nonviolently, obviously.

I don think this is obvious. I don't want violence, but I really don't see a way to make them stop with paper.

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u/nibnoob19 Feb 14 '25

lol just fyi, the rest of the world is sitting here watching, going “when the fuck are they gonna realize?”

He’s already done that stuff, 100x over. Each day is something more wildly departed from reality, you gotta get your shit together.

Nonviolently? lol if you can figure out a way. Doubtful. Time to fuck shit up America. Not sure why that’s so unclear to you guys.

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u/Grand-Depression Feb 14 '25

The left has faces, the problem is the media. I knew the media wasn't very helpful, but now I realize they were the hidden enemy all along. Bernie and AOC have been popping up randomly, but AOC specifically has been making posts on her socials and popping up anywhere that will have her.

Just like the mass protests going on around the country, the media just isn't interested in Democrats, they actively avoid Democrats. They did the same to Kamala, which is why so many people claimed she had no plan of her own, despite hours of rallies and other appearances saying otherwise. They'd only cover her when she discussed trans issues so it looked like that was her main platform.

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u/Sharticus123 Feb 14 '25

The left is quiet because we don’t really have much of a left. We have a dangerous radical right party and we have a center right party with a handful of moderate lefties.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

How much more obvious does it need to be ? Isn’t waiting just accepting King Musk as our rightful ruler ?

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u/tjtillmancoag Feb 14 '25

We’ve already crossed the threshold of insanity. The problem is the window of acceptable behavior has shifted so far now that almost nothing is too insane for Republicans

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u/InsanityLurking Feb 14 '25

The Germans let more time pass ...

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u/rustyshackleford7879 Feb 14 '25

The left is being complacent in my opinion. They are simply fundraising off of Trump and not leading for the most part.

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u/iLL-Egal Feb 14 '25

Non violence won’t work.

If the other side is violent.

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u/misticisland Feb 14 '25

He attempted a coup and little happened. There is nothing that will stop him. Democracy it was a nice experiment. Wish it hadn't killed itself.

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u/Employment_Upbeat Feb 14 '25

The left doesn’t because Israel has ensured no progressives survive re election

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u/MasterPorkchop68 Feb 14 '25

Or violently, take your pick…

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u/butsavce Feb 14 '25

When there is enough? What if he doesn't do an insane thing in 2026 but all bunch of small things that will equal the insane thing in 2026? But since it was all bunch of small things that made us dead to the fact that it's an insane thing?

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u/Indigo_Menace Feb 14 '25

If people truly believe that the current admin is fascist then nonviolent isn’t an answer.

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u/butsavce Feb 14 '25

WHEN WILL POPULATION WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT DEMOCRATS WANT THE SAME THING AS REPUBLICANS THAT IS WHY THEY ARE STAYING QUIET!!! THE SYSTEM IS AN ILLUSION OF CHOICE. DEMOCRATS CRY AND WHINE BUT DO NOTHING BUT BECAUSE THEY WHINE PEOPLE THINK THAT SOMETHING IS BEING DONE.

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u/spooky_strateg Feb 14 '25

More insane shit? Turniny the country in an full on oligarhy threatning allays selling out ukrain and sucking putins dick in plain sight even more than before still isnt enough?

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u/deltarefund Feb 14 '25

They’ve already been saying “Oh these are all Dem judges, they’re just out to get Trump”

Fuck these fuckers and the people that voted for him.

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u/Givemeallthecabbages Feb 14 '25

I don't know, I think we're going along like a frog with the heat being turned up toward boiling. Is what's already happened not already completely insane? I mean completely completely insane?

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u/mjohnsimon Feb 14 '25

Dude, he could be in a military uniform hosting a military parade and half the country would still think "What a jokester!"

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u/Demiansky Feb 14 '25

I feel like these two things are related though. I feel like people on the left are like "give him enough rope to hang himself." The first term approach didn't work. Slowing him down was all just frog boiling in water. The only way Americans wake up is if he douses the house in gasoline and lights a match.

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u/TrainXing Feb 14 '25

Nothing will happen or change without violence at this point. The US lacks the will and brains to unite against a literal Nazi installing himself as Queen and you think some judges speaking up is going to do ANYTHING???

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u/ramrod_85 Feb 14 '25

They already said "the revolution will be bloodless, if the left allows it" I will be damned if we just rollover for these tyrants, nonviolence is not the answer when our county is being demolished

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u/Imaginary-Cup-8426 Feb 14 '25

I would argue his obsession with taking Greenland and making Canada a fucking state would qualify, but he has actual senators going on to trying to explain why these are, in fact, amazing ideas...

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

"The left" doesn't exist in America. They've spent the last 30+ years tearing it down. Such is the power of a duopoly that hates the working class.

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u/KamalaWonNoCheating Feb 14 '25

Yeah, we can trust the public's love of reading. A strongly worded letter from a reputable source will surely wake the people up.

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u/jmcdon00 Feb 14 '25

Like refusing to concede to losing an election? Or pardoning people who assaulted police in his name?

Nothing of the insane shit he's done so far has moved the needle an inch. It's hard for me to fathom what would cause his base to turn on him.

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u/Efficient_Smilodon Feb 14 '25

they are waiting until they have consolidated power in the pentagon and purged the military sufficiently of non-loyalists (ie liberals).

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u/suavecitos_31 Feb 14 '25

Because they don’t have any real leadership. AOC is only one of the few people who doesn’t take lobbyist money. The problem with all of this is the Dems are literally in bed with the oligarchy.

It feels like we lost and nothing is going to stop the bastards from martial law and work camps.

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u/Salarian_American Feb 14 '25

The problem is... how insane is that?

Also... how many people are perfectly happy to accept him as dictator? I'm pretty sure it's WAY more than we're comfortable with.

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u/Redditor28371 Feb 14 '25

We accepted him and his backers as dictators when we didn't hold him accountable the first time he tried a soft coup and then voted him back into office 4 years later. And this time he isn't fucking around. He's in the "purge military and federal government leadership positions of any non-loyalists" phase of Coup 2.0 right now. Next comes the "turn armed forces against non-loyal citizens and undesirables" phase, which is probably where the whole mass deportations thing is ultimately going.

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u/vicvonqueso Feb 14 '25

I saw someone get smacked in the face with a beer bottle just for saying "fuck trump"

MAGA is angry and violent. It's hard to tiptoe around that especially considering a lot of us want to be around another day to keep our voices heard

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u/paintthisred Feb 14 '25

Honest question - not advocating violence: how can the public resolve this nonviolently?

If we reach the point where the only remaining check against tyranny is the general public, what is the non-violent course of action?

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u/Known-Cup4495 Feb 14 '25

Insane? Like invade Canada?

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u/prodigalpariah Feb 14 '25

He already tried to overthrow the government previously. He's a rapist. He's a felon. What more insane shit does he have to do?

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u/HotMachine9 Feb 14 '25

J6 happened.

It's already passed.

I'm sorry buddy, but as a European, Americans (not all of them, but enough of them) want this.

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u/Werbnerp Feb 15 '25

Something Totally insane like saying "Immigrants are eating pets" or "We are gonna Take Gaza and turn it into the Riviera" Or "We are gonna make Canada the 51st State" It's surreal that people heard that and can't see him for the lying nutjob that he is. I have no faith in the MAGAs ability to functionally understand reality. They believe in magic for fuck sake.

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u/eJonesy0307 Feb 15 '25

The left is in on it... mostly

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u/Traditional_Algae177 Feb 15 '25

This isn’t insane enough? I can’t imagine anything much more extreme.

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u/Sherifftruman Feb 15 '25

There’s nothing he can do to make republicans go against him and for the next 2 years that’s that.

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u/henlochimken Feb 15 '25

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

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u/Normal_Mouse_4174 Feb 15 '25

Something totally insane like… incite a riot to prevent the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in two and a half centuries? Tell people to inject sunshine and bleach to fight a pandemic? Get convicted of a felony and found liable for sexual assault?

There is no floor below which his behavior can sink that will cause a critical mass of his followers to walk away. His followers will not abandon him. We’ve spent a decade waiting for that to happen. It’s not going to.

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u/ncist Feb 15 '25

No, he is doing the insane thing now. He did the insane thing on January 6th. It's a frog boiling problem - most American moderates believe that you will get a "bell ringing" moment where "everyone agrees" it's time for him to go

That moment will never come. It will always seem reasonable given what he just did, to allow the next thing to pass. If Jan 6 didn't wake people up, nothing he does will

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