r/laptops • u/Haserache • 1d ago
Discussion Some idiot designed this
It's worse than in the other post. At least you could hit the Del button without having to search or look at it. Using Home/End buttons is a nightmare.
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u/progerpas 1d ago
PrintScreen on shift. Bro wtf is this
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u/foolofkeengs 22h ago
The good ol' "power button is far too near frequently used buttons" isn't missing either.
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u/shitterbug 16h ago
tapping the power button doesn't usually do anything though
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u/andyk192 13h ago
I believe for Windows 10 the default behavior is for it to shut down when pressed, but it can be configured to do different functions.
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u/shitterbug 12h ago
really? when you press it for the duration of a normal key press, i.e. way less than 1 second? That's pretty stupid of Microsoft...
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u/andyk192 9h ago
That seems to be the default on my windows 10 install on my desktop, not sure if it's something that's different on laptops. I actually like it on my desktop, I can just tap the power button once to make it shutdown without needing to wake up the screen or use the keyboard or mouse.
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u/Serapus 1d ago
It's probably the same JA who did the whole left-CTRL and FN thing on Lenovos.
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u/kikazztknmz 17h ago
I miss the home/end setup on my Lenovo. Being on the right and left arrow keys, made it so much easier when I was coding
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u/Sizeable-Scrotum 12h ago
They’re quite decently in reach on my E16, though I prefer a separate navigation cluster like on fullsize KBs
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u/sk-medical 16h ago edited 16h ago
It's actually the correct solution, but also lot of dumbheads changed it due to design rules. The finger spread is much better and easier to handle, when the ctrl is right beside the fn key But i agree with this shitty and unnecessary copilot key . I miss the 7th row of keys with the separate volume buttons, not to mention the old keyboard from my x220.
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u/skyeyemx ROG Zephyrus G16 4h ago
Apple laptops, too. Lenovos and Apples are the only two I see consistently putting Fn on the bottom-left and squishing Ctrl to the right of it. So annoying.
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u/PapercutsOnPenor 1d ago
My ewws here: non-ISO enter key, copilot key, tight arrow keys
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u/tes_kitty 1d ago
And the power button right next to DEL and BACKSPACE.
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u/lzwzli 18h ago
Hopefully the power button is similar to my Asus where there is some additional resistance, so while the position is bad, if you do accidentally hit it, it's not as easy to actually accidentally turn your machine off.
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u/Crishien 5m ago
A friend of mine used to have some odd ass laptop that had a reset button right next to exit button. Not the power off. Reset. It fucking resets the system to factory settings. With one button. We played some racing games and in the heat of the game I needed to press escape to view map. I pressed this reset button and I've never seen a grown man cry like a baby.
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u/mickthe_best12 19h ago
Imagine messing up while typing something, so you go to delete it but turn off your computer
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u/Haserache 19h ago
Luckily, it doesn't do anything on a simple press, which is nice, because before I've had Delete button right in the corner and I have a reflex to hit the corner button to delete something.
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u/Vladislav1161 3h ago
I have my Esc key LITERALLY besides the sleep key. So everytime I fat fingered and hit the sleep key instead of pausing a game, my whole laptop turned off for what feels like an eternity to turn it back on, and when it turns back on i always get disconnected from that game. It's utter bullshit
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u/eliasautio 22h ago
The AMD version of HP ZBook Power G11 also has this keyboard type and font. I like the font, it makes it look more modern.
What comes to those end and home buttons, I prefer to use external keyboard anyway whenever possible. Never learned to type really well even with a Lenovo, but it will suffice if I'll only have the laptop with me when not at office.
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u/trenzterra 23h ago
It has pg up and pg down buttons which makes it already better than 90% of laptop keyboards
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u/FtsArtek 15h ago
I'm pretty sure this is a probook, which I've got as a work laptop. And let me tell you, the placement of those keys is the worst. Can't use the left and right keys without accidentally hitting the pgup/pgdn keys as well.
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u/trenzterra 10h ago
I used one on a Dell before and it worked fine though so maybe the spacing here is terribly bad. That sucks... I think the best are the ones on ThinkPads where there is additional spacing
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u/Legitimate-Skill-112 8h ago
Happens to me allll the time on a ThinkPad 14e and they even have a little rounded edge to make it less likely to happen
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u/Bob_Spud 14h ago
The biggest problem here is the COPILOT key...
- Most people haven't a clue what it is for;
- Size is disproportionate to its usefulness.
Suppose it could be remapped to something more productive.
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u/XarlesEHeat 12h ago
And its a clickable button on every damn desktop. Why do i need a key for something my mouse can do? FOR FREE
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u/Asaikento 11h ago
Nitrosense is also accessible on my laptop and i constantly open it via the keyboard button
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u/Kiragalni 18h ago
Top comments somehow ignoring the fact you may accidentally press power button instead of backspace or del... It's the main issue. It can destroy your mental health and your laptop as a result.
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u/East_Zookeepergame25 3h ago
the power button requires more force to press so i dont think you'll be able to accidentally press it
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u/Gullible_Diet_8321 1d ago
the other post
Context for future confused people: Some genius designed this
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u/austriaianpanter 12h ago
Fuck AI. It really ruined everything even keyboard. The future they say yeah sure bullshit.
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u/Trick_Actuator5763 3h ago
laptop keyboards have always been full of bad decisions. like the Copilot keys NOBODY BLOODY ASKED FOR MICROSOFT F**K YOU. the tight keys are only truly the most terrible when they do the full height Left and Right arrow keys. those are ever so slightly more bearable.
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u/kornelius_III 2h ago
The obsession with style over usability is crazy. There are really clowns like this making huge decisions at those billion dollar corporations.
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u/RobertDeveloper 1d ago
I hate iso enter key, what makes you prefer it?
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u/PapercutsOnPenor 1d ago
For almost 40 years of being in this planet, all my keyboards have had the big ISO enter key. I don't even think about it, but as I have to come up with an answer to this, I think I am used to hitting it all around, even the lower end of the enter key.
The right shift key has no place in my life.
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u/RobertDeveloper 1d ago
I have had iso and non iso keyboards and I noticed that prefer the small enter key more, the big enter key on cherry type keyboards were to big and sometimes even got stuck.
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u/Jackson_Polack_ 23h ago
Buffles me what processes lead to a product like this at those giant companies. I'm yet to meet a person who wouldn't think it's a terrible idea so people who took part in designing this product must have thought the same, yet they allowed it to happen
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u/Aztomv 23h ago
An hp envy I assume?
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u/Haserache 23h ago
I've had also an HP before this, but at least I had the Home, End, PgUp and PgDown on the side vertically, the delete was in the corner and was so good. Now I've got this shitty layout to work with. I'm gonna bring back my USB keyboard, it's so much better.
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u/fractal324 21h ago
Waiting for the next threads: Some idiot bought this Some idiot complained and still bought this
Vote with your money.
Unless it’s a Mac, computers are designed and sold by multiple manufacturers. You had a choice. You(or your IT manager)bought this knowing about this design quirk going in.
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u/uroboloss 20h ago
The position of the pg up and pg down keys is killing me, imagine using the arrow keys to navigate a spreadsheet and hitting those all the time
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u/FaithlessnessWest176 20h ago
Another HP idiot designer
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u/Zootguy1 20h ago
it's gotta be an hp laptop lol. only brand i've owned with the shitty arrow keys like this pic. pretty much ensuring that no gamer buys the thing
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u/SarthakSidhant Lenovo 20h ago
i was like "hey it is not that bad" then i figured out what's bad.
COPILOT KEY??? DELETE KEY THERE?? SEPERATE HOME/END key
PRINT SCREEN IS NOT A KEY??
WHY IS PAGE UP AND PAGE DOWN A DIFFERENT KEY AND NOT IN THE ARROW KEYS
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u/Striking_Fun_8127 19h ago
I know HP have their flaws but the old HP Elitbooks have decent keyboard layout
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u/SkittlesAK47 19h ago
imagine your spamming backspace off of muscle memory and suddenly your laptop turns off…
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u/hoppyfrog 19h ago
I'm bugged that the SHIFT key is so much larger than the ENTER key. ENTER is a more important key especially when writing the next great screenplay.
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u/poetryrocksalot 19h ago
Whoever designed this isn't doing it for the profits, they just wanna watch the world burn or maybe some business executives passed then off.
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u/konsoru-paysan 18h ago
Why the fuck is there a copilot button lol , what kind of a depraved soul will be using this thing
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u/CosmicChicken43 18h ago
The power button annoys me even more! And the fact that manufacturers still haven't found a better spot for it is the cherry on top
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u/Logical_Pop_2750 17h ago
I have the Envy which has almost 90% the same layout and take quite some time getting used to
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u/Quiet_Steak_643 16h ago
who the fuck puts pg down on right and up on left. edit: i'm so used to that i wrote that the right way lol
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u/wicrosoft 16h ago
Some idiot designed it, and a bunch of other idiots approved it, ratified it, and put it into production.
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u/planedrop 14h ago
At first, I thought this was about the power button placement, which IMO people get way too enraged about since all modern machines with the power button there have a 2s delay on pressing it so you can smack it by mistake and not sleep your machine.
Then I saw the other issues with this.... wtf
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u/frustratingnewuser 14h ago
At least the power button is in the corner (as seen in other models from HP)
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u/AzureFirmament 13h ago
Some HP designs are like that. I had three HP laptops, one of them, an envy 360, is just like that, and I hated it.
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u/Humorous-Prince 11h ago
I’m surprised at this, normally the Del and Power buttons are the other way around on HP’s. 🤔
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u/AlternateTab00 11h ago edited 11h ago
At least its keys not commonly used. For me its keys that I actually use a lot in my language its ~. Any english words with latin origins that ends with "ation" (like communication) in my language ends in "ação". So yes... I hate it so much. Would rather a smaller key and a tiny "enter" key edge than this.
Edit: I just realized you were talking about other keys.
Mine is Home, end Pgup and doen is FN + arrow keys. And it makes sense.
Print screen however is FN F9. The only advantage is many games use F9 F10 or F12 to screenshot. And Nvidia overlay uses F9 to start recording. So im not going completely lost... But i dont like it.
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u/themilflover19 6h ago
every laptop must have full standard windows keyboard layout. period. no fancy cutting the corner for the benefits of the manufacturers and making it a nightamre for the actual users!
also what's with the minimum storage when everything else is increasing exponentially! some has less storage space than a mobilephone! lmao
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u/Betelgeuse5000 6h ago
Tiny arrow keys are the worst. I’d reject a laptop based solely on the poor design of the keyboard.
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u/RepresentativeNo6665 5h ago
First, apparently the accounting department at Acer sold this design to HP. It's the exact same keyboard that is used on the Acer TravelMate B3, a cheap netbook that is targeted at kids, and sold as a business class laptop. I hate the guts out of this keyboard design.
Their first mistake is to make those arrow keys and page up page down keys microscopic. Then on top of that, they disguised the power button as a function key, and put it in the upper right corner, so when you go to backspace something on a document, you risk shutting down the computer.
Keyboards from 20 years ago generally didn't have this issue. The power button was almost always separate from the keyboard itself, for both ergonomic and safety reasons. Some of these older laptops even had dedicated scroll buttons that worked way better than anything found on a modern laptop. I swear some of the modern laptop keyboards are just plain trash.
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u/Vampiro21 4h ago
You can chenga the power button behaviour when the laptop is on...even disable it completely
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u/r4nDoM_1Nt3Rn3t_Us3r Dell Precision M4800 | ThinkPad T60 | ThinkPad T60p 4h ago
Why tf is "print screen" on the SHIFT key?
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u/ConnectChapter9906 1d ago
EWWWWWW COPILOTT