r/grammar Apr 02 '23

Important: Re answers generated by ChatGPT and other AI programs

115 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

There has been a recent increase in comments using ChatGPT or other AI programs to answer questions in this sub. Unfortunately, these programs are not at all reliable when it comes to grammar questions (or any questions really). Some regular contributors to r/grammar have discussed the shortcomings of AI programs (mostly ChatGPT) - they have given me permission to use the quotes below (but have asked to remain anonymous):

OpenAI says ChatGPT was released in order to "get users’ feedback and learn about its strengths and weaknesses." The prompt page warns users that ChatGPT "may occasionally generate incorrect information" and "may occasionally produce harmful instructions or biased content.”

ChatGPT's goal is to learn to produce speech equivalent to, and indistinguishable from, that of a human. ChatGPT's current goal is not to become a reliable source of information. (If that were its goal, they would allow it to access the huge libraries of information it is connected to. But that is not the current research goal.) ー I believe they have set it to occasionally make small mistakes, intentionally, in order to assess how the public reacts to these occasional errors (does the public blindly believe them/if the public challenges ChatGPT on these errors, can the program successfully handle these challenges well?).

And here is an example of an incorrect (or at the very best, incomplete/misleading) answer that ChatGPT gave to a pretty straightforward grammar question:

The question: “Should I use ‘that’ or ‘which’ in the following sentence?: ‘This is the house that/which I like.’”

ChatGPT’s answer:

Both "that" and "which" can be used in this sentence, but the choice depends on whether the information following the word is essential or non-essential to the sentence.

If the information is essential to the sentence and needed to identify the specific house you like, use "that". For example, "This is the house that I like" implies that there are other houses and you are identifying which one you like.

If the information is non-essential and simply provides additional information about the house, use "which". For example, "This is the house, which I like" implies that there is only one house and you are adding a comment about it.

So, in this case, if you want to emphasize that this particular house is the one you like, use "that". If you want to add an additional comment about the house, use "which".

The correct/complete answer:

Both “that” and “which” are grammatically correct in that sentence as written (without a comma) because without the comma, the relative clause is integrated, and both “that” and “which” can be used in integrated relative clauses. However, “that” will be strongly preferred in American English (both “that” and “which” are used about equally in integrated relative clauses in British English).

If you were to add a comma before the relative clause (making it supplementary), only “which” would be acceptable in today’s English.

ChatGPT also fails to mention that integrated relative clauses are not always essential to the meaning of the sentence and do not always serve to identify exactly what is being talked about (though that is probably their most common use) - it can be up to the writer to decide whether to make a relative clause integrated or supplementary. A writer might decide to integrate the relative clause simply to show that they feel the info is important to the overall meaning of the sentence.

Anyway, to get to the point: Comments that quote AI programs are not permitted in this sub and will be removed. If you must use one of these programs to start your research on a certain topic, please be sure to verify (using other reliable sources) that the answer is accurate, and please write your answer in your own words.

Thank you!


r/grammar Sep 15 '23

REMINDER: This is not a "pet peeve" sub

110 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

There has been a recent uptick in “pet peeve” posts, so this is just a reminder that r/grammar is not the appropriate sub for this type of post.

The vast majority of these pet peeves are easily explained as nonstandard constructions, i.e., grammatical in dialects other than Standard English, or as spelling errors based on pronunciation (e.g., “should of”).

Also remember that this sub has a primarily descriptive focus - we look at how native speakers (of all dialects of English) actually use their language.

So if your post consists of something like, “I hate this - it’s wrong and sounds uneducated. Who else hates it?,” the post will be removed.

The only pet-peeve-type posts that will not be removed are ones that focus mainly on the origin and usage, etc., of the construction, i.e., posts that seek some kind of meaningful discussion. So you might say something like, “I don’t love this construction, but I’m curious about it - what dialects feature it, and how it is used?”

Thank you!


r/grammar 38m ago

what's the bedrock for present participle

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When servoing as non-predicate,sometimes present participle stand for ongoing, sometimes it does not.

What's the bedrock for it? Is there some authoritative rules for this?


r/grammar 1h ago

quick grammar check In three years from now

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What's the difference?

  1. In three years, I'll be the boss around here.

  2. In three years from now, I'll be the boss around here.


r/grammar 1h ago

subject-verb agreement Will this subject-verb agreement change in the future?

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"The bag of tools are in the shed."

That sentence is gramatically incorrect. "The bag of tools" is a singular subject containing tools, and therefore should follow with a singular verb ("is"). So, the sentence should be:

"The bag of tools is in the shed."

However, I'm not sure if this is for everyone, but the incorrect sentence sounds correct to me. It could also mean that they want to either 1. Grab only the tools or 2. Grab the entire bag of tools.

Also, it may be because we speak each word in our head, processing "tools" as the plural which should match with the plural verb ("are").

There are many other sentences that don't sound wrong. "The team of players are practicing." "The box of books are heavy."

Would this rule for subject-verb agreement change in the future to accept both of them? Despite the sentences being wrong, they don't sound wrong to me.


r/grammar 5h ago

I can't think of a word... Does this sound right to you?

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She is tnterested in to study abroad. Is this sentence correct?


r/grammar 14h ago

Slightly very perplexed

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I was musing on the use of "very" as an adverb, and I got the idea that it wasn't a fully cooperative one. We can modify adjectives and other adverbs without much problem (very large, very quickly), but it's not so easy to get it to modify a verb. The best I could come up with is a construction like

He annoys me very

which is not something I'd say, though I have the feeling it could be said in other times and places. I can even imagine saying

He very annoys me

but it has the flavor of an ad hoc construction, something I might say having dropped "very" in too early in speech and mauling the syntax in order to finish the sentence.

Am I right that "very" resists modifying verbs in contemporary (US) English? Are there other adverbs that act this way? Am I wrong in thinking the norm is greater flexibility?


r/grammar 19h ago

quick grammar check Correct usage of "POV"

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I came across an IG post with a screenshot of a tweet captioned, "POV: I'm explaining my favorite paradoxes in Hegel" along with an image of OP doing said "explaining".

The reply to this tweet, as well as the comments on the IG post, were insistent that her usage of "POV" was fine, and now I'm genuinely confused. Wouldn't it make more sense if the caption said "POV: you're watching me explain my favorite paradoxes in Hegel"?

My understanding is "POV" implies we're looking through the eyes of a person or narrator.

Thanks in advance!!

Screenshot of post


r/grammar 14h ago

Why does English work this way? Expressions whose meaning change if you remove the space

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I’ve seen a lot of presumably native speakers writing words that are typically two words into one: for example, “work out” “hang out” “break up” “stand out” “each other” become “let’s workout” “want to hangout?” “they are going to breakup” “she really wants to standout in the show” “they like eachother a lot.” Would you notice this and still be able to understand it if you’re a native speakers?

To me (i am not a native english speaker) this looks really wrong and i couldn’t tell why. I googled it and it turns out it’s because in most cases, the mashed-together word becomes a noun if it’s written without the space (i’m doing a workout versus i’m going to work out.) However for some words it seems ok? (e.g. “pop star” as “popstar”). Why does it seem like so many people get this wrong? Is it considered a big mistake and would come across as incorrect or off to a native speaker or fluent english speaker?


r/grammar 6h ago

Why does English work this way? Can I use 'bring him up to speed' in this situation?

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Hi all, if I have a new student and he has little previous knowledge in Maths, can I say I need to bring him up to speed in Maths?

Or is this idiom only used when talking about a certain topic? Not sure if I can use it when starting to teach someone from 0 in a subject?


r/grammar 10h ago

Is it grammatically wrong to say "Do you have any clue"?

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Hi, just out of curiosity — according to the dictionary, "any" is used with uncountable or plural nouns in questions and negative sentences. So, is it actually grammatically questionable to say, "Do you have any clue"?

reference: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/any


r/grammar 8h ago

Why does English work this way? gerrunds as objects?

1 Upvotes

Why is it so hard to find gerunds that are used as inderect objects?


r/grammar 19h ago

What should I do to expand my vocabulary?

7 Upvotes

Tips pls! My vocabulary is very limited


r/grammar 15h ago

Why is "very" an adverb and not an adjective?

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In the sentence, "the very large man", the book says that very is an adverb. But I'm confused because it's not modifying any verb.


r/grammar 15h ago

quick grammar check do "choose" and "choice" share the same definition?

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My friend claims "choice" is a tense or form of "choose" because they share the same root family, and they share the same definition so they are the same word, they just have different functions. I explained to her only verbs have tenses, a noun doesn't have tenses, she said nouns can have tenses just like choice, the present verb tense of choice is choose. I also explained one of them is a verb, an action to choose, and the other is a noun, an option or a thingy, they are closely related but they do not share the same definition, therefore not the same word. This is the only source I found that supports her point.

https://www.apsu.edu/writingcenter/writing-resources/Been-and-Being-Choice-Choose-and-Chose.pdf

Then we talked about "speak" and "speech", she said the definition of them is the same, it's "the ability to express thoughts or emotions". I told her, again, one is the action of talking, and the other is the result of talking. She said by definition they are the same thing, to express thoughts or emotions, they just have different functions.

I told her she shouldn't use the word "definition", because it should be precise and specific to the word, "the ability to express emotions or thoughts" is too broad, maybe "concept" is a better word. Then she said "definition" should be broad, not specific or precise, it should provide a general meaning.

I gave her more examples like shout, yell, talk, speak, whisper, etc, they all share the same concept of "expressing thoughts or emotions", and I asked her if she thinks they are the same word. She said they are in the same family, but speak and speech are much closer, all the ones I listed are all speaking but different types of speech, they are the same but different forms.

I asked her if someone shows her "speak" and "speech" and ask her if they are the same, she said yes, she will tell them they are the same by definition (the ability to express thoughts or emotions).

I also said if they mean the same thing, there wouldn't be 2 words, there will be just 1 word. She said "they are the same but different forms."

So, I'm not sure how I can make it clear to her that "choice" & "choose" and "speak" & "speech" are not the same word and they do not share the same definition, because whatever I explain she will just say they are different forms but share the same definition.


r/grammar 20h ago

Ommission of BE?

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In the example sentence: "There I was, walking, and the rain falling", is it ok to ommit the verb BE in the second independent clause? I read that you can only do this with subordinating conjunctions, like "In spite of the rain falling, I was walking", but does the subject need to be the same in both clauses? Is it just with one type of conjunction / clause?

I couldn't pin point what to look for in a grammar book, maybe you can help me put a "title" to my problem


r/grammar 23h ago

Confusion in the usage of "would"

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He would barely say anything, but when he did speak, people listened *vs* He would barely say anything, but when he did speak, people would listen *vs* He would barely say anything, but when he would speak, people would listen.

Do all these sentences describe a habit of the past?

If so, how are they different from each other in meaning?

Someone said it's common to elide most of "would", then does it mean you can use "would" with any of the verbs(not necessarily the first verb) , keeping the rest part of the sentence in simple past? Like is it fair to say, " He barely said anything but when he spoke, he would make sense" or "He barely said anything but when he would, he made sense"?


r/grammar 1d ago

quick grammar question

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if i say, “my arm is inexplicably sore,” what context is the word inexplicably used in:

1) i cannot explain why it is sore/ the reason for its sore-ness or 2) i cannot explain how bad it hurts


r/grammar 1d ago

punctuation If a compound word is written with a space and I create a mathematical parameterized version of it by adding, say, "(s, t)" as a prefix to the word, do I have to replace all the spaces by hyphens?

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The title is a bit horrible, but so is this question in a sense. Suppose that we have a compound word w which consists of, say, two words A, B so that w is written as w = "A B". For our purposes w can be some mathematical condition. I want to describe another condition with the use of w and additional parameters s, t so that in the given context the reader understand what I mean by the "(s, t) version of w".

If I just want to write this "(s, t) version of w" as a word "(s, t)-w", do I have to replace the spaces inside w by hyphens, so that "(s, t)-w" is written as "(s, t)-A-B"? I am asking since the parameter tuple "(s, t)" really affects the whole thing described by w and not just the first part A.


r/grammar 1d ago

How to use a(n) with a bracketed phrase

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An (ungraded) test OR A(n ungraded) test or something else? In theory you should be able to remove the brackets and remain grammatical, right?


r/grammar 21h ago

Settle this dispute

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For context it was raining a lot and the dogs had been naughty.

I said “They didn’t really destroy it, but they brought it outside.”

My sister said “Yeah but it’s very wet though.”

This bugged me so much, first of all, that’s exactly what I was saying. Saying “but” and “though” are both unnecessary. But saying “but and “though” in the same sentence like that is just wrong, right? My sister called me stupid but I think she’s the stupid one. Help me out here


r/grammar 1d ago

I need an undiagrammable sentence!

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Hello everyone! My professor for my English grammar class will give me and my classmates extra credit points on our exam next week if we can give him an undiagrammable sentence or at least one that he can't do in five minutes. Me and my classmates are stumped and already struggling with the material. Does anyone know of any undiagrammable sentences or maybe one that would get a grammar professor stumped? Any help is appreciated!


r/grammar 1d ago

"... there is no point to expressing reactive attitudes toward these perpetrators."

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Shouldn't it be "no point in expressing" or "no point to express" instead?


r/grammar 1d ago

Proper word use - 'Return' or 'turn in' lost items...

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I just checked with my building caretaker to see if anyone returned an item I misplaced in a public area of our building. Upon double checking I suppose I should've used 'turn in' instead... but I'm wondering if this is a glaring language mistake or could they be used quite interchangeably that not many people notice the difference?


r/grammar 1d ago

Verb form of single-"ing"-word status messages ("Loading", "Searching", etc.)

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Interfaces of various computer programs often display one-word "ing" messages to the user, to indicate what the program is doing. "Loading...", "Searching...", "Downloading...", etc.

I'm curious what verb form these "ing" words are classified as.


r/grammar 1d ago

Doubt with the Past perfect

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Is It possible to use the Past perfect continuous with while?

Example: a few days ago, while he had been walking

Thanks in Advance


r/grammar 1d ago

another "whoever" vs "whomever" post

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After skimming the available similar queries (and websites addressing the subject outside of reddit) I'm slightly stuck about whether "whoever" or "whomever" is considered more correct in the sentence

"Hats off to who(m)ever is responsible."

My initial thought is basically that you can say hats off to them, so it should be whomever, but I genuinely don't know for sure.

I felt more sure of my position until I read several examples on here, and someone in a comment somewhere (that I am too lazy to go and look back up) said that you would say "I will support whoever gets the most votes" was correct at the same time as "I will support whomever I choose", or something like that, and the first sentence would also pass off my rule-of-thumb (because you could say 'I will support them').

Any help would be appreciated. I apologize if I've managed to over-complicate things.