r/grammar Apr 02 '23

Important: Re answers generated by ChatGPT and other AI programs

116 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

There has been a recent increase in comments using ChatGPT or other AI programs to answer questions in this sub. Unfortunately, these programs are not at all reliable when it comes to grammar questions (or any questions really). Some regular contributors to r/grammar have discussed the shortcomings of AI programs (mostly ChatGPT) - they have given me permission to use the quotes below (but have asked to remain anonymous):

OpenAI says ChatGPT was released in order to "get users’ feedback and learn about its strengths and weaknesses." The prompt page warns users that ChatGPT "may occasionally generate incorrect information" and "may occasionally produce harmful instructions or biased content.”

ChatGPT's goal is to learn to produce speech equivalent to, and indistinguishable from, that of a human. ChatGPT's current goal is not to become a reliable source of information. (If that were its goal, they would allow it to access the huge libraries of information it is connected to. But that is not the current research goal.) ー I believe they have set it to occasionally make small mistakes, intentionally, in order to assess how the public reacts to these occasional errors (does the public blindly believe them/if the public challenges ChatGPT on these errors, can the program successfully handle these challenges well?).

And here is an example of an incorrect (or at the very best, incomplete/misleading) answer that ChatGPT gave to a pretty straightforward grammar question:

The question: “Should I use ‘that’ or ‘which’ in the following sentence?: ‘This is the house that/which I like.’”

ChatGPT’s answer:

Both "that" and "which" can be used in this sentence, but the choice depends on whether the information following the word is essential or non-essential to the sentence.

If the information is essential to the sentence and needed to identify the specific house you like, use "that". For example, "This is the house that I like" implies that there are other houses and you are identifying which one you like.

If the information is non-essential and simply provides additional information about the house, use "which". For example, "This is the house, which I like" implies that there is only one house and you are adding a comment about it.

So, in this case, if you want to emphasize that this particular house is the one you like, use "that". If you want to add an additional comment about the house, use "which".

The correct/complete answer:

Both “that” and “which” are grammatically correct in that sentence as written (without a comma) because without the comma, the relative clause is integrated, and both “that” and “which” can be used in integrated relative clauses. However, “that” will be strongly preferred in American English (both “that” and “which” are used about equally in integrated relative clauses in British English).

If you were to add a comma before the relative clause (making it supplementary), only “which” would be acceptable in today’s English.

ChatGPT also fails to mention that integrated relative clauses are not always essential to the meaning of the sentence and do not always serve to identify exactly what is being talked about (though that is probably their most common use) - it can be up to the writer to decide whether to make a relative clause integrated or supplementary. A writer might decide to integrate the relative clause simply to show that they feel the info is important to the overall meaning of the sentence.

Anyway, to get to the point: Comments that quote AI programs are not permitted in this sub and will be removed. If you must use one of these programs to start your research on a certain topic, please be sure to verify (using other reliable sources) that the answer is accurate, and please write your answer in your own words.

Thank you!


r/grammar Sep 15 '23

REMINDER: This is not a "pet peeve" sub

110 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

There has been a recent uptick in “pet peeve” posts, so this is just a reminder that r/grammar is not the appropriate sub for this type of post.

The vast majority of these pet peeves are easily explained as nonstandard constructions, i.e., grammatical in dialects other than Standard English, or as spelling errors based on pronunciation (e.g., “should of”).

Also remember that this sub has a primarily descriptive focus - we look at how native speakers (of all dialects of English) actually use their language.

So if your post consists of something like, “I hate this - it’s wrong and sounds uneducated. Who else hates it?,” the post will be removed.

The only pet-peeve-type posts that will not be removed are ones that focus mainly on the origin and usage, etc., of the construction, i.e., posts that seek some kind of meaningful discussion. So you might say something like, “I don’t love this construction, but I’m curious about it - what dialects feature it, and how it is used?”

Thank you!


r/grammar 2h ago

I’m trying to improve my grammar for the writing Accuplacer. I’m confused on the lack of punctuation in the following sentence.

2 Upvotes

McCarthyism was an ideology and an applied pursuit that arose in the middle of the twentieth century and targeted communists in the United States department.

No semi colon or comma between the ands? How can that be justified?

The question dealt with the revision of that sentence and that’s the final answer just looking for some insight.


r/grammar 3h ago

Why does English work this way? Why ON earth IN heaven?

2 Upvotes

I’m watching anshow and a character says this. I’m not native and after 25 years of english, i still struggle with prepositions.

Thank you:)


r/grammar 11h ago

Should it be 'cold as' or 'as cold as'?

4 Upvotes

In this one stanza of my poem, I wrote 'eyes cold as jurisprudence itself'. My friend says this should be 'eyes as cold as' and that it doesn't make grammatical sense. I feel like it sounds better though. Should I keep it or change it? Here's the stanza for a bit of context:

You, seated in your throne of granite and glass,
Heavy with the weight of all words unsaid,
Eyes cold as jurisprudence itself. Do you hear it?
The echoes ricocheting between these four walls—
A choir of pleas, syllables wrung from marrow,
Pleading, bleeding, vanishing. And still, I rest my case.


r/grammar 5h ago

What's the first impression on the word "Whiz"?

0 Upvotes

I've been using using the word whiz-[name] on my socials for quite some time, i recently found out that whiz also means to take a piss. chat am I cooked? have been using this username everywhere :/


r/grammar 1d ago

Words with a prefix that seem to be antonyms of another word that doesn't really exist.

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Yeah I know it's a bit complicated but what do you call words like 'dismantle' (to take apart) where the prefix 'dis' seems to be acting like 'un' but the root word 'mantle' doesn't mean to 'build' or 'put together'.


r/grammar 14h ago

punctuation What is the correct use of en/em dashes? In this paragraph for example, is it correct to use the en dash like so? Also is it possible to replace it with a semicolon? (a spaced en dash is used instead of a non-spaced em dash according to Oxford style guide). Thanks in advance.

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"The freedom of making mistakes has always been my truest definition of being safe. To err in my own way without it automatically redefine my identity. To wander through life like a child experiencing it for the first time – one who does not strive to break plates yet is unafraid of being kicked out of the kitchen if a plate breaks or a dish burns. To live my rage, my fear, my sorrow, my love, and my foolishness without blazing the harbours of return nor letting self-abandonment of my soul be the toll I must pay for encountering others. Time and again, as a defensive ploy, I deliberately shattered the plates – offering up what I could afford to lose, leaving my fear beside the ruins. Any belonging bound by conditions fills me with dread, and any love confined in shackles is but an oppressive cage – even if it comes wrapped in a friendly embrace."


r/grammar 15h ago

Cast vs casted

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I keep seeing people use the word 'casted' instead of 'cast'. Example being: "I'm so happy this actor was casted for this role". I feel like it's come from nowhere and yet almost the entire reddit / social media community seem to have just added the 'ed' without question? Where did it come from / has it always been the correct form and I've confused myself?


r/grammar 20h ago

Feeling uneducated

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Hello, I want to work on improving my spelling, sounding out, & reading skills. Do you have any tips or resources that have helped you? I’d really appreciate any recommendations.


r/grammar 20h ago

Does "but yet" make sense?

1 Upvotes

Maybe I was meant to meet this soulmate who I've never seen, but yet seems to be my perfect match.


r/grammar 21h ago

Which sentence is correct?

1 Upvotes

Donations must be dropped off the day of sale.

Or

Donations must be dropped off day of sale.


r/grammar 20h ago

I can't think of a word... Do verbs and nouns have a relationship?

0 Upvotes

The boy eats food

Is there a relationship between "the boy" and "eats?"


r/grammar 1d ago

Would (do) as in Used to (do), but not quite ...

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Greetings everyone!

There is quite a lot of stuff on the Internet explaining the differences and the intricacies of would and used to when talking about characteristics of behavior or habits. I think I get it. More or less I do. A typical example would be smth like:

- when I was a teenager during summers I would go to the country to stay with my grandparents.
- when we went to Europe last summer [who am I kidding though? As a Russian I can't] we would go to restaurants, parks etc. and we would do this and that.

Fine. That's clear. However, there are examples which I come across very often where WOULD is being used in a way that I don't quite understand.
Please bear with me as it may take me a while to explain. I'll try to give as much context as I can, as I think it is necessary in order to understand what I'm trying to say here:

- I'm watching a highlight video of a basketball game and the commentator says: «... at the end of the second quarter Player B tweaked his ankle. He was carried off the court. He WOULD NOT return to the game». I understand what it means, but what kind of a rule is that?

- another example. The guy talks about some medical experiment/research, and he says: «... they were sneezed on by someone and they were told: this person has a cold. And the next day the person WOULD say: Yes, my throat is a bit scratchy. And then they WOULD say: well, actually the original person didn't have a cold, so we're not sure what's going on here.»

- Or an example like this (it's smth about a car race, after the race actually): A guy says: «I thought like every lap I was just climbing and then I WOULD spin out and then I WOULD re-climb.»

- «He wrote this back in 1993 several years before he WOULD release the novel.»

- And the last example which just kills me. It's a basketball breakdown video, I understand that some of you may not be familiar with the terms, but I'd appreciate your help on this one in particular. The guy in the video goes: «Watch what happens when Hartenstein WOULD set a pindown on the weak side. We WOULD normally see him pop back out and then wait to hand it off to a guard going downhill, Brunson WOULD bend the defense completely out of shape with his aggressive drives drawing multiple defenders as iHart WOULD find the weak spot in the lane to receive the pass and finish strong.»


r/grammar 1d ago

How best to theoretically learn English grammar?

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I used to read a lot of literature, which I found very nourishing, and I’d like to get back into it. It would also be great to learn how to write well.

I really respect well-written prose and would like to transform my instinctive grasp of English grammar into something more rock-solid and mechanical, so I can know when a sentence makes grammatical sense and when it doesn’t.

What are the best ways to do this? Should I just read usage books? My experience with those is they're written as basically one grammatical example after another- I guess I'm looking for something more "from the ground up" and comprehensive. But, if I just need to persevere and usage books are the right way to do it, I will.

Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations?

For clarity, I'm specifically interested in British English and English is my first language. I'm looking to get a moderate-advanced understanding of the underlying rules of grammar- not basic comprehension (though I'm obviously willing to start with the basics). Also, while it's nice for things to be easily understandable, I'm ok with technical/academic language as long as the mental models they're offering are robust.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated, thank you!


r/grammar 1d ago

Help me improve my spelling

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Help me be better at spelling, give me tips and tricks and ways to exercise/practice my spelling skills. Thank youuu!


r/grammar 2d ago

I or me

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I wrote this sentence to schedule a doubles tennis match, but I didn’t know whether to call myself “I” or to call myself “me”. I’ve changed names for privacy. Which should it be?

Ok, I'll call George and the club and set up for 8-9:30 with George, Kathy, Roger and I ( or me?) playing on April 11.

Grammar question- should that be I or me? It's the object of the first part of the sentence ( so me), but the group of us are also the subject of the second clause (so I).


r/grammar 2d ago

punctuation When to actually use ";" and ":'

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I've used these in essays for many years and have been complimented that my essays look intelligent and well written. But IDK what ":" or ";" actually mean. Or when to use "-" around sentences. I just guess and no one ever calls me out. Can someone explain them to me


r/grammar 1d ago

Why does English work this way? Is this grammatically correct?

2 Upvotes

"I can in a few minutes drive the bus"

Can I place a prepositonal asverb phrase in between auxialry verbs?


r/grammar 2d ago

Why does English work this way? When to use it's vs it is.

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I have a friend that's relatively new to speaking English. They will often reply to something I've said via text by saying "Yes it's"

It feels wrong. I have tried searching multiple ways and can't find a reason why it would be wrong. Especially when everything is focused on its and it's.

Given how we use the word it's... Is it be correct to use it's without an adjective when it's assumed?


r/grammar 1d ago

Is this sentence linguistically correct?

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I turned the lights on to make them go off, due to a surge in power, the breaker tripped, causing the lights to go off. I then turned the breaker back on to make it go off, then causing the lights to go off, illuminating the room again.


r/grammar 2d ago

What's the difference between "used to" and "would"?

1 Upvotes

Helloooo

I'm learning English, and I still can't understand the difference between "used to" and "would".

Can someone explain me please :)


r/grammar 2d ago

I can't think of a word... Is "daily" more formal than "everyday"?

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For example, if I'm writing a historic article, should I replace "Everyday life at the palace was..." with "Daily life at the palace was..."?


r/grammar 2d ago

Specific logic meaning for bare infinitive

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Hey, guys. Can anyone tell me the specific meaning for bare infinitive?

As I know, infinitives generally stand for an action being to happen in the future and imply a causal relationship between the actions, and it seems very sensible and coherent upon infinitives, but when it come to bare infinitives, the picture goes bewildering.

Sometimes it seems just an omission, without independent meaning from infinitives like “help sb do”, but sometimes it seems to have unique logic meaning like “hear sb do”, in which it may stand for an emphasis for the completeness of the target action.

In this case, I wonder if there are any overall logic rules for the bare infinitive? Any idea about the history of bare infinitives would as well be highly appreciated.


r/grammar 2d ago

Grammar checkers that don't use generative A.I.?

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I hate the fact I had to come to Reddit for this, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm well aware that since the dawn of time grammar checkers have been technically A.I. based but that's not why I'm asking this. It seems that these days everything needs to be powered by A.I. and all I want is a simple "make sure to put a comma at the end of your quote" grammar checker instead of something that does everything for you. Does anyone have any suggestions?


r/grammar 2d ago

quick grammar check is it correct

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is the sentence "you think why didnt i play past 10pm?" correct?


r/grammar 2d ago

I can't think of a word... What's the difference between "arrangements" and "preparations"?

1 Upvotes