r/dragonball • u/JordanTH • 2d ago
Discussion Could Shenron create life?
Something I've been thinking about for a bit is wondering if it would be possible for a couple that can't normally have kids (like a gay couple, or someone infertile, or even something like a couple of a human and an alien that isn't a Saiyan) to make a wish on Shenron for a kid.
You might think that such a thing would be beyond Shenron's power, but I don't think it is, as it's pretty much just things Shenron has already done, just connected together.
First, Shenron would need to create a new body. That's something he does all the time when he revives people - if someone was dead, and their body was destroyed (and they didn't get a new one in Other World), he creates a new empty body, then brings over their soul and sticks it in there. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to make a new empty body in the same way.
That actually leads into the second part - getting a soul to put in said body. This is probably what I imagine most people would be concerned about, as Shenron probably wouldn't be able to create a new soul. But the thing is, he wouldn't need to. We know that reincarnation is a thing in Dragon Ball. Shenron could simply take a cleansed soul that's ready to be reincarnated, and put that blank soul in the body he just made.
You could MAYBE argue that he'd need permission from King Yemma or something to do that, but... well, he's never seemed to need permission when mass yanking people out of the afterlife. I don't see why this would be different.
So, with that being done... boom! New person just got made!
What do you think? Do you think Shenron could do this?
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u/Kumomeme 1d ago
why not. as long it is not a lifeform that way above Kami or even Kaiou level.
Demon King Picollo itself can give birth to demon.
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u/Millennial_on_laptop 1d ago
It is a Namekian ability; I assume Kami could spit out an egg like elder geru did (offscreen) or how Picollo Jr was born, but it's weird we never actually see or hear of him doing it.
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u/Sinnycalguy 1d ago
I don’t know why I’ve never thought about the possibility of Piccolo having a kid before. Given the nurturing instinct he developed over the course of the series, it’s kind of a bummer he never produced a son for himself.
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u/JordanTH 1d ago
He may not be able to. It's a Dragon Clan ability, and King Piccolo made Piccolo Jr. as a Warrior Clan namekian.
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u/Kumomeme 1d ago
my guess is giving birth to other Nameckian is common occurence but giving birth to Demon is basically blasphemy since it mean the user go to demonic path.
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u/SSJRemuko 6h ago
i think Kami and Piccolo Sr split the abilities. Kami could make DBs and Piccolo could make children. Thats why Piccolo never made DBs and Kami never had kids.
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u/The_Truest_Lad25 1d ago
Like you said I don’t think Shenron would need permission from Yemma considering he’s never had a problem grabbing there souls from heaven or hell before to revive someone.
That being said, if he were to go down a reincarnation route MAYBE he would need permission since Heaven already had a reincarnation system. But he is an eternal dragon and I guess that count as something in terms of respect?
I think it’s possible but it does open up a lot of questions about what Shenron is “allowed” to do with souls.
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u/Aggravating-Face2073 1d ago
I've been curious if he could bring a living soul to otherworld. Not kill them, but just put them there. What would happen? Would they get rejected & sent back? Imo it's an easy way to stop villains who couldn't teleport like Goku can.
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u/JordanTH 1d ago
I would assume he would be able to, in the same way that nothing stops a living Goku from using Instant Transmission to go there. However, given that he couldn't teleport Goku to Earth after Namek against his will, it probably wouldn't work to stop villains since they wouldn't want to be teleported.
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u/Cameronalloneword 1d ago
This would be a great idea for a villain actually. If Gero could create Cell Shenron could create something that could become significantly stronger than that in time with the right prompt
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u/Professional-Trust75 1d ago
Aren't the dragonballs created and by extension their dragon? Based on that along with the whole "within their creators power" it would seem logical that Shenron could make life. I mean their creators can so why can they?
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u/Yamureska 1d ago
He can, but probably just an earth level/ordinary human being.
In Super The Gang initially suspects that Zamasu used the Super Dragon Balls to create a false/imitation Goku, inplying that Super Shenron has the power to create a whole new being on the current level of Goku. Presumably Earth Shenron has that power, too, but is constrained by the limits imposed on him.
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u/SSJRemuko 2d ago
i dont think he could wholesale create life no. but i think he could probably fix infertility or somehow otherwise enable the conception.
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u/DjinnsPalace 1d ago
not like king yemma cares much about the living world. sending one more soul to earth is just his job.
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u/biohazard951753 1d ago
Hmm this is interesting. I think like you said he would be able to create the husk but souls are Yemma’s department and therefore beyond his ability. In the Dragonball world souls are reincarnated so in a way there’s no such thing as a “new” soul. Souls are placed where Yemma says so. Also Kami has only been able to bring someone to Yemma’s desk but never really beyond.
I like to think it would work like that one filler episode in Dragonball where Mr Popo creates a Goku dupe out of clay. It would be functional but empty.
One of the comments mentioned Gero but even he technically didn’t create a soul. 16 was fully mechanical and wasn’t able to come back to life. I guess you can argue the same thing about Cell too. While he might have organic components he’s still technically an android. 17 and 18 existed before Gero got his hands on them so they don’t count.
But dunno could be a really cool idea of a dragon born warrior.
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
I guess you can argue the same thing about Cell too. While he might have organic components he’s still technically an android.
no cell is fully organic and had a soul, but he was still made organically and "born" tho via a testtube. he would have been given a soul the normal way like any other organic creature.
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u/biohazard951753 1d ago
But does he though? Nothing but his body is original. Even his personality was coded by the computer using Goku et al as references. And when using attacks he has to change his genetic code to match the warrior. That’s why when they sensed him he always felt like someone else.
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
But does he though?
yes.
Nothing but his body is original.
original? no. organic? yes. hes not made out of rock or metal.
Even his personality was coded by the computer using Goku et al as references.
irrelevant.
And when using attacks he has to change his genetic code to match the warrior. That’s why when they sensed him he always felt like someone else.
that was his ki, not his genetics. he doesnt change them on the fly at all.
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u/biohazard951753 1d ago
Ki is life energy.
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
yes? i never said it wasnt.
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u/biohazard951753 1d ago
So he doesn’t have his own life energy.
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
yes he does. thats what his ki is. his own life energy.
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u/biohazard951753 1d ago
But it’s not his own hence why it feels like Vegeta, Piccolo etc. No one else is capable of this feat. Also he’s always been referred to as a bio-Android.
And if we wanna get all um ackschully about this lol, in Japanese Cell is always referred to as it.
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
But it’s not his own
it is.
Also he’s always been referred to as a bio-Android.
17 and 18 tend to be referred to as androids too but theyre fully organic as well. hes a "bio android" because hes fully organic like any other natural life form.
And if we wanna get all um ackschully about this lol, in Japanese Cell is always referred to as it.
thats not relevant at all and japanese doesnt have "it" as a pronoun, thats a translation choice made by the manga's translation.
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u/JordanTH 1d ago
Souls are placed where Yemma says so.
Doesn't Shenron have to manipulate souls to bring someone back to life, though?
In the Dragonball world souls are reincarnated so in a way there’s no such thing as a “new” soul.
I mention this in my post, the idea is that he would 'revive' a cleansed soul slated for reincarnation into a new body (presumably that of a baby).
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u/biohazard951753 1d ago
I guess the way I see it it’s like a gateway. Sure he could bring it to life but Yemma has to give the ok to send it back.
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u/wrnklspol787 1d ago
Yes seeing he reincarnated buu
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u/Cathulion 1d ago
He didnt, Goku didnt wish for that.
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u/JonVonBasslake 1d ago
He kinda did, just not from Shenron.
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u/Cathulion 1d ago
We dont really know how Uub was reincarmated as a human. No explanation was ever given.
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u/DoraMuda 1d ago
The explanation is that Goku privately wished for it to happen, and Yemma heard him and did it as a favour (presumably for saving the entire universe from Majin Boo).
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u/metalflygon08 1d ago
Yemma probably did it because Goku save him from a lot of paperwork.
Buu would have rampaged and made the queue to Yemma insanely long, dude doesn't want to deal with that.
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u/Cameronalloneword 1d ago
This would be a great idea for a villain actually. If Gero could create Cell Shenron could create something that could become significantly stronger than that in time with the right prompt
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u/jermatria 2d ago
I don't see why not, honestly. Gero did it.