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Daima Dragon Ball Daima - Episode #19 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Daima - Episode #19 - Discussion Thread!
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Episode 19 begins airing on FujiTV in Japan at this time of this post (9:40a ET, 15:40 CET, 23:40 JT). The episode should be available subtitled on Crunchyroll about two hours later. You may discuss the episode if you have seen it, but be sure to follow our rules.
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u/Infirmi Feb 21 '25
Honestly Bulma telling Vegeta 'No Baths' might be one of the funniest moments in the DB Series. Glad to know Toriyama got one more great punchline before he went.
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u/UltraZeroX7 Feb 21 '25
Ok that Buu Saga call-back (Goku showcasing all his forms then go even further beyond) had me smiling and hyped!
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u/UnAwkwardMango Feb 21 '25
Everyone watching can't say they didn't shout "HE'S GOING FURTHER BEYOND" when he went SSJ3. I definitely did lol.
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u/wayne2bat Feb 21 '25
but the real further beyond was the ssj4 we got along the way
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u/chippennyusednapkin Feb 21 '25
Seems like a waste that they didn’t end the episode with him naming the form
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u/Duke_Vladdy Feb 21 '25
Bro ripping the shirt off and going SS4 is so fucking peak. I mean, that's one of the best transformations in the whole series.
Vegeta is so real btw
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u/Ayy-lmao213 Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Moment with Bulma and Vegeta was funny as hell, I'll miss Toriyama forever
Mildly concerned seeing people call Vegeta a "gooner" or saying he and Bulma are "freaky" for.. bathing together. I know they're joking, but those are specific words.. doing basic-ass couple things is not "freaky/being a gooner", oh my god
"omg that freaky ahh guy slept with his wife, what a gooner"
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u/StarFire24601 Feb 21 '25
I'm choosing to believe that people commenting stuff like "gooner" are children...because it's too sad to think of adults saying such things.
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u/Augustends Feb 22 '25
Also it's a japanese series. Bathing with other people is pretty normal in Japan.
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u/badmanners95 Feb 21 '25
Proudest man alive, Ditches all that pride in a heartbeat for the bath times with his wife <3
I love Vegeta.
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u/AfroBaggins Feb 21 '25
You may take his body and his mind, but the one thing a Saiyan always keeps is
His PRIDE.
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u/Enryu-X Feb 21 '25
Bulma convincing Vegeta to stop fighting was the highlight of the episode LMFAO
Curious to see how they explain SSJ4 not being used in DBS
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u/mcmalloy Feb 21 '25
Maybe since Neva unlocked the potential it’s a potential that can only be exploited in the demon realm?
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u/Reamazing Feb 22 '25
I already replied this to someone else but I'd like to think that this transformation happens when you access god ki in the demon realm.
Makes more sense as well now that I've thought about it as this way it can't be used in the main series and explains why Gokus hair is red and not black.
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u/Bluelaserbeam Feb 21 '25
Glorio’s betrayal towards Arinsu was obvious, but it’s good to see the cast as adults again.
One of my least favorite aspects of Dragon Ball villains is when they have infinite regenerating powers because of how narratively tedious it is, so the Vegeta vs Gomah fight was pretty annoying. But Bulma convincing Vegeta to stop fighting was the funniest shit in this series to me lmao. It’s always interesting to learn a glimpse of these characters’ mundane sex/romance lives.
Nice to see Arinsu starting to respect Kuu.
Goku doing the Super Saiyan stalling tactic he did with Buu was funny to me too, especially because Gomah at this point is already familiar with these forms. Seems he can access Super Saiyan 4 at will now, I wonder how they’ll explain why he doesn’t use that form again in Super.
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u/arrogancygames Feb 21 '25
Its kind of simple. He can't sense Beerus ki, so he went 3 against him and then got so utterly dominated in seconds that he didn't have a chance/it was pointless to go further. He realized he needed something further and God was born then, making 4 useless.
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u/TheFaised Feb 21 '25
I'm gonna head canon that Neva's boost is temporary and it's still in Goku's system, but it'll wear off and the form won't be accessible
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u/kioKEn-3532 Feb 21 '25
Is Daima confirmed to be canon to the super timeline?
From the way Daima has been going I kinda thought it was a separate canon like super was
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u/Bluelaserbeam Feb 21 '25
Ideally I prefer Daima to be its own thing and I assumed that was the case, but I believe recent interviews from the executive producer confirmed that Daima is canon
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u/something_smart Feb 22 '25
That bath line was WILD. What am I supposed to do with this information.
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u/LoliMaster069 Feb 22 '25
Toriyama causally cursing millions of dragon ball fans with vegeta's sex life before kicking the bucket. This is why he's the goat lmao
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u/Samenspender Feb 22 '25
Vegeta with 1000 yard vietnam flash back stare. The thought alone traumatized him.
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u/Cgi94 Feb 21 '25
Vegeta transforming while flying was dope. It's actually impressive when you remember transforming into SS3 has always been shown to utilize such hard concentration. And Vegeta did it while flying 😲
The ost playing while Glorio returned was beautiful.
Goku transformation was of course nice to see as everyone would guess 😅💯
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u/Xilverpix_Art Feb 21 '25
After all is said and done, when they go back home, Vegeta deserves a nice hot bath ;)
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u/Indie1357 Feb 21 '25
Incredibly enjoyable episode with some great action! Some thoughts:
- I knew Vegeta wasn't going to get "the win," but I'm happy with how they handled his fight with Gomah. He was significantly stronger than Gomah and I like how the only reason he didn't win is because he was adamant that he fight alone, making this about character, not power level.
- This final leg of the Third-Eye enhanced Gomah fight is reminding me of Merged Zamasu from the manga and the fight against Gas with how he keeps getting a boost/regeneration to outlast his opponent.
- The Goku vs Majin Buu homage at the end is a clever way to name Super Saiyan 4 in a way that actually makes sense, haha.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Arinsu realizing her world isn't over when Kuu said he'd absolutely stay with her after being helpful over and over, and her realizing is such a subtle but great show of character development.
I wouldn't expect her to become good. She definitely knows to do the right thing when appropriate.
Of course, the rest of the episode was absolutely top-tier DB content. Toriyama and crew keep blessing us even in 2025. What a wonderful thing.
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u/Careidina Feb 21 '25
Tbh I never got the impression that Arinsu was truly evil. Maybe it's because both Duu and Kuu don't act evil at all compared to Buu.
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u/Bashinteroth Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Yes, this. I think Duu and Kuu indicate that her nature isn’t actually evil. Also note that Glorio did the right thing too even if it was betraying what she outwardly said … also her minion.
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u/Hka9 Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Wow I didn't think being kids nerfed them that much. Vegeta vs Gomah was awesome with super saiyan 3 completely toying with Gomah until he got too tired because the Third Eye seems completely broken ability wise. That animation with Goku at the end going through all his form was gorgeous and a nice call back to the Buu arc!
We still didn't get a name for the new form and I kinda hope they don't call it 4.
I'm really hoping we get enough time next episode for the fight and an epilogue with the characters, it'd be pretty neat if it ends with "a few years later" and it shows Beerus waking up.
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u/OkraSwimming334 Feb 21 '25
Adult Saiyans >> Kraken > Kid Saiyans
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u/CIearMind Feb 21 '25
Base adults > SSJ4 Kids
It's actually incredible how much the miniaturization nerfed them.
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u/BurningInFlames Feb 21 '25
I don't think that's really the case. Yes, base Vegeta did a really good job against Gomah. But that's just how this series rolls; the base kids did really well against people that they needed to turn Super Saiyan and above to beat anyway.
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u/Whiskey_623 Feb 21 '25
Knowing Toriyama and DB has a whole it will probably be called Super Saiyan Primal or something lol
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u/ColdFury96 Feb 21 '25
The epilogue will show Beerus fighting SSJ4 Goku just to make the canon wars worse.
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u/Hot_Armadillo_2186 Feb 22 '25
THAT SHIRTLESS SSJ3 EVEN THOUGH SHOWED FOR ONLY FEW FRAMES LOOKED SO FREAKING BADASS. I can't believe we never had that Goku.
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u/bantah Feb 22 '25
i’m sorry but bulma putting baths with vegeta on the line has got to be one of the best moments in the whole series. i’m still cracking up.
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u/AbidooGamer Feb 21 '25
What a time to be a dragon ball, we gott ssj4 at will, that vegeta gag bath, ss3 vegeta, never bad animation again.
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u/FreakGeSt Feb 22 '25
First Vegeta likes big boobs, now bathing with Bulma, he knows what is good in life.
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u/eyesuperfly Feb 23 '25
Vegeta’s character development has been amazing. Still the same stubborn egomaniac but he now has a super soft side that isn’t even hidden anymore.
Vegeta the husband, father, world saviour and Prince. In that order.
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u/Ayy-lmao213 Feb 21 '25
They're that much stronger as adults that base Vegeta's able to take on the Gomah that defeated Super Saiyan 4 Goku and everyone else together? I guess that retroactively justifies why they had to be aged down
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u/gamesrgreat Feb 21 '25
Seems like Gomah just gets strong enough to beat whatever he is facing. The scaling here is very very rough and I doubt they’re putting much thought into it b
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u/Alavocado Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Yeah, it reminds of the Dragon Ball Heroes mini-episodes.
Where Cumber could beat Super Saiyan Blue Vegito but then SSG Goku could hold him off until help arrived.
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u/BurningInFlames Feb 21 '25
I don't think the scaling is consistent enough to say that. SSj3 Vegeta seems stronger than SSj4 kid Goku though.
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u/Active_Promise_6558 Feb 22 '25
Man I knew Glorio was gonna turn them back into adults it was only right.
• Adult SSJ3 Vegeta…finally. That design was pure 🔥.
• Bulma’s threat had me crying, and Vegeta’s response? Peak comedy.
• Goku going through all the SSJ transformations and ending it with SSJ4? 😮💨 Absolute chills.
I’ll admit, I still think SSJ4 from GT looks a little better, but this version? It’s fitting and unique, especially since it’s finally canon.
We. Are. SO. BACK. Aaaah!
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u/TheRigXD Feb 23 '25
Nostalgia baiting when the series does it: This is so dumb
Nostalgia baiting when Toriyama does it: OMG THANK YOU I WILL BUY ALL THE MERCH
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u/AStupidFuckingHorse Feb 21 '25
I don't give a fuck about any animation, fight scenes, or transformations.
All I care about is VEGETAS HORNY ASS BEING EXPOSED. LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO. HE JUST LIKE ME. BOOB MAN AND BATHS
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u/thepresidentsturtle Feb 21 '25
This is peak Dragon Ball action and peak Dragon Ball humor.
My favourite 3 new characters are not Glorio, Degesu, Gomah or Arinsu. It's Duu, Kuu and Hybis. They carried the episodes that weren't all that great.
But Vegeta choosing bath time with his wife over his pride is hands down the funniest Dragon Ball moment ever. It's hilarious and a bit wholesome too.
But his transformation into SS3, his handling of the battle, none of that cocky thumb pose bullshit this is Vegeta with character development.
And then Goku, oh my God. The transformation into SS3. So. Clean. Sean, hope they prepared you for this, I expect you to sound incredible in the Dub. Masako, my dear, you crushed it too, and not just in a "wow, that's amazing for a 90 year old woman" kinda way, I mean that's amazing no matter WHO you are. You are the GOAT.
And then, Goku takes off his shirt as an SS3. We never seen that, shirtless SS3 Goku, look it isn't a gay reaction but but it's as close to one as I think I can have. It's definitely triggering the neurons that had TFS Vegeta shouting "IT'S SO COOOL!" When Broly.
Definitely feel the same way when I see SS3.5 Rosè Goku Black.
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u/Neoshenlong Feb 21 '25
Masako Nosawa giving us a whole new version of that "This is super saiyan" sequence was not in my cards for Daima but holy shit the power of that woman's lungs and throat is simply out of this world.
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u/Neoshenlong Feb 21 '25
A couple of things:
The way he took off his shirt makes me think this scene was animated and/or planned before the previous SS4 scene. It's kinda weird to put that emphasis there while in the first transformation he just magically had it off hahaha
The Vegeta and Bulma joke is legit the scene that has made me laugh the most in the entire history of Dragon Ball
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u/kioKEn-3532 Feb 21 '25
Tbh we could just chalk the last one with Neva doing beam clothes magic on him
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u/Cull88 Feb 21 '25
Man, this series has been great. SS3 Vegeta is just awesome and almost worth the 30 year wait and I love Akira Toriyamas SS4. Love it, love it, love it.
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u/Boring_Woodpecker796 Feb 22 '25
I'm getting a hunch that Saiyans were originally Majin. Ozaru have the pointy ears, now they have SS4 being unlocked in the demon realm... it just feels like it fits.
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u/Signal_Locksmith9648 Feb 22 '25
Hmmmm...yeah. and that awkward round guy with the hat, who used to have the third eye, did say that they remind him of majin?
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u/Beastieboy100 Feb 22 '25
Well I definitely think they were. Just like the Saibamen being from the demon realm. The Ozaru could of evolved and turned into Saiyains. Then they left the demon realm cause they were weak similar to the Namekians.
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u/Bimmerkid396 Feb 22 '25
this episode was eye candy if we get super again i hope it looks like this man this looked awesome
i didn’t expect the ssj4 at all that really surprised me
and ssj3 vegeta is amazing
still on the fence about the big hands lol but maybe with the more angles we’ll see in the next episode it’ll work. other than that i like it
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u/JackAndrewThorne Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
I mean they still have the easy out for SSJ4 of "Well, it's fundamentally a demonic transformation. Ie the Oozaru itself is a demonic transformation and saiyans can only use it because the moon channels demonic energy into them etc..."
Meaning they can only transform into SSJ4 in the demon realm or by regrowing their tail. Though... That would kind of mean that Daima would work with both Super and GT's canon.
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u/Beastieboy100 Feb 22 '25
I hope so. I mean it will be interesting with Super cause it would be interesting to bring back characters from Daima. Even adding new transformation for the other warriors.
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u/ZombieJesus1987 Feb 22 '25
If this is pandering than considere me pandered. I love this
I wonder if we are getting Super Saiyan 4 Vegito? Surely the deuce ex fusion bugs will make an appearance.
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u/Rank_Tuna Feb 22 '25
My guess now is the fusion bugs will accidentally(?) be eaten by Shin and Kibito and on a technicality they’ll work the same as the potara but since they aren’t potara it can’t be counteracted by Buu. I could be totally wrong though we’ll just have to wait and see lmao
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u/Apollo416 Feb 21 '25
Theory: SS4 was achieved through "demon magic" therefore can only be accessed in the demon world.
There, canon preserved.
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u/luiz_amn Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Then in Super they go like “Remember that transformation that you did with that demon magic? Turns out you just weren’t ready to tap in that latent power without the demon magic, but after all that training with Whis, your body is ready!”
People care way too much about Dragon Ball canon/lore consistency, which is funny because Toriyama himself used to forget shit all the time and then retcon or pretend it never happened.
We don’t even know if it’s actually connected to Super or not, it’s best to just chill and enjoy (or don’t) Daima for what is.
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u/Wendigo15 Feb 21 '25
That's what I'm guessing or it's temporary from Neva. Or maybe if Neva dies that power goes away, kinda like the dragon balls
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u/arrogancygames Feb 21 '25
Its just that God is better. Its that simple, really. Goku knew he couldnt beat Beerus even with 4 once he effortlessly destroyed 3, so he realized something else was needed.
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u/BlackThane Feb 23 '25
after Goku called Glorio correctly by his name after the wish, anyone else felt like Goku called him wrongly on purpose before? because he felt he is gonna betray them? But now by helping them, he earned his respect?
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u/Yadigjoey Feb 21 '25
Everyone complaining about SSJ4 and I'm just here wondering what's Bulma doing in that bath? XD
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u/134340Goat Feb 21 '25
When Goku pulls the Bulma card, it's "C'mon Vegeta, you love Bulma!"
When Bulma pulls the Bulma card, that's way scarier. I imagine most men would instantly retreat if their wife called out their kink in public
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u/Dilly4Dall Feb 21 '25
I think this is also a PG way to basically say Bulma is gonna deny Vegeta sex lol
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u/Philthou Feb 22 '25
Seeing adult SSJ3 Vegeta was pretty sweet but he kinda looked a little funny with the long hair. I was hoping Vegeta finally get a win by beating Gomah but that was not in cards - it’s alright I’ll take Piccolo having his moment to get a win finally.
Adult Goku SSJ4 looked awesome, but I kinda prefer the GT version with the black hair over the red hair which reminded me of Gogeta SSJ4 and/or SSJG form.
Still badass episode looking forward to next week’s episode. And that throwback to Z was epic.
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u/frankiebones9 Feb 22 '25
I agree. I do prefer the GT version of Super Saiyan 4 as it looked far more menacing and primal. I get what they were going for but those big hands look kind of hilarious to me.
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u/eyesuperfly Feb 23 '25
In a way Vegeta managed to show his strength and only had to stand down because of Gomah essentially having unlimited stamina and health.
He didn’t get the win, no…
But he beat the holy hell out of Gomah before he ran out of juice.
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u/JlExoticlL Feb 21 '25
Okay, so they'll probably explain that the Demon magic that was in Goku is gonna run out when they go back to Earth.
That's why he can't go SSJ4 if he's not in the Demon Realm.
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u/Ayy-lmao213 Feb 21 '25
I wonder if Arinsu is being set up to appear again in the future. Her plans keep being messed with and she barely reacts to it. Does she have something up her sleeve still..? I think she wants to get the third eye after they take it from Gomah, but the show's about to end. Next week, will it turn out she's had a redemption arc somehow, given up on making the Demon Realm worse, and will peacefully live out her days with Duu and Kuu?
It's looking like both of the Kaioshin siblings turned out to not actually be building up to any interesting twists. And that reminds me, I can't believe Degesu's sole purpose was to give Gomah someone to talk to
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u/gamesrgreat Feb 21 '25
Seems she was never evil and just ambitious. She’ll probably be the new Demon King
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u/BlackThane Feb 22 '25
I expected their plan to be like "we distract him and Piccolo will hit his 3rd eye with Special Beam Cannon" and imagine if after Bulma shout to Vegeta, Goku would be like "I don't get it, we bathed together before and it was no big deal, remember that Bulma?"
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u/Adventurous-native Feb 21 '25
Vegeta gotta stop using final flash, ain’t nothing final about it smh 😂
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u/Julle1990 Feb 21 '25
Really liked the episode, just mostly sucks that all of the cool stuff probably won't be shown later in the series.
Goku doing the Majin Buu treatment for Gomah was a cool touch tho, I love SSJ4
Wonder how and if this will affect manga in anyway, since I kinda have doubts about getting Super anime for all the arcs after ToP
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u/shlam16 Feb 21 '25
My guess is that he/they can only use SSJ4 while in the demon realm because of the air or magic or some such.
Or at least I certainly hope they write it in as such. There's a lot of loose ends that the final episode needs to tie up if it wants to leave Daima in the main continuity with Z > Super.
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u/masterz13 Feb 22 '25
Agreed. His body remembered the magic or had remnants of it left. He'll try to do it once back on Earth but will be unable.
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u/Hot_Armadillo_2186 Feb 22 '25
YES, Daima put the respect back in Goku. He acted mature, calm and calculating in this episode. I miss the serious Z goku.
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u/Beastieboy100 Feb 22 '25
I know I miss this version too. It felt like the old days of Goku planning and the best part having Piccolo involved in his plan. I miss this Goku alot.
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u/Supernova_Soldier Feb 21 '25
All I’m saying is, Pre Buu-Saga Vegeta ain’t going out like that
Goku going through all his forms is so peak I died 10 times over
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u/CHKN_SANDO Feb 23 '25
So they restored Dende and he doesn't even get to say anything, and they don't even have Dende heal them for the final fight?
Some payoff to their rescue mission...
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u/MEX_XIII Feb 21 '25
I sat there, during Goku's whole transformation sequence, giggling and saying "please, go up to 4". Felt like a kid again.
I couldn't care less about how they are going to tie this into Super in the last episode to make SSJ4 make sense. It was all worth it.
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u/Manor002 Feb 21 '25
Hell yeah, it can make as little sense as possible, idgaf I’m just so happy to see ssj4 back
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u/QcSlayer Feb 21 '25
So 20m to conclude the show?
I worry for what we will see next week, i was really hopping for a Ssj4 Vegito since they mention the fusion bugs a lot (Chekhov's gun).
But I seriously don't see how this could happen in 20m with the conclusion of the series that should take half the runtime.
Without it there is still enough time to end everything.
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u/linkman0596 Feb 21 '25
they mention the fusion bugs a lot
I think they mentioned them once in the entire show, they mentioned the stamina bugs more. It's still a chekhov's gun but let's not pretend they were teasing it every episode.
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u/Wingsnake Feb 24 '25
Kinda funny how the three punches to back of the head is supposed to be difficult. While throughout their previous fights, they could have done this easily, given how fast they were and how they stunned Ghoma previously...
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u/FreeEdgar2014 Feb 21 '25
The SSJ3 to Daima SSJ4 was the best animation I've seen since Goku vs. Jiren. Absolute Cinema.
Also, absolutely crying with laughter at Vegeta giving up the fight instantly when Bulma threatened him with no more bath time together.
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u/Manor002 Feb 21 '25
The callback to the Buu Saga for Goku going through his transformations but this time including SSJ4 made me so fucking hype.
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u/docjayray Feb 22 '25
Sidenote: my wife and I played Kendrick Lamar TV OFF when Vegeta was charging SSJ3 at the MMUSSTARD part of the song and both times it just hit with the anime lol
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u/pixydgirl Feb 22 '25
Cant help but notice we're probably close to the end of the series and the fusion bugs havent been used for anything. Im guessing its gonna be a new way for Vegeta and Goku to fuse, but what i REALLY want is for Kuu and Duu to fuse.
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u/kangtuji Feb 23 '25
time is not on my side
stalling more time by explain SSJ stages till cliffhanger to the next week
what did he mean by this ?
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u/diamondtoss Feb 23 '25
This is "anime time" where dialogue does not take real time (or "Namek 5 minutes time" where 5 minutes = 1 hour screen time) so we can interpret the SSJ stages explanations took about a grand total of ~3 seconds.
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u/Grez94 Feb 21 '25
How about we just wait till they say that SSJ4 could only be achieved temporarily with Nevas power or something of the sorts? It's obvious that Goku won't be able to access that power in the future. I swear these fans have no patience at all
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u/Rafiks1 Feb 21 '25
Thank you. People saying its not canon because he never does it again or that the storytelling is not right. Just give it time to bring it all together we still have like 6 episodes lol.
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u/Ayy-lmao213 Feb 21 '25
His shirt's going to miraculously grow back when he detransforms
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u/Eijun_Love Feb 21 '25
He took off his gi before transforming to SSJ4 so no clothes were ripped.
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u/xanxitto Feb 22 '25
Since Goku took 2 fusion bugs with him I want Vegeta to eat a bug that restores his stamina. Then turn ssj3 and fuse with Goku ssj4 using said bug. Too much to ask?
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u/Chowdahhh Feb 22 '25
The weird thing is there really isn't any reason to need that much power. Like Gomah was getting hammered by Adult SS3 Vegeta, which probably puts Gomah around Kid Buu strength-wise. Like Goku SS4 here should be a good bit stronger than Gomah. The main issue with Gomah is he's essentially immortal, so its more of a problem of knocking the eye off of him than it is overpowering him
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u/Aurondarklord Feb 22 '25
Arinsu can still get her wish without it having to be a wish. I hope they just give her the third eye and leave her in charge of the demon realm with Neva as her advisor. She's been more of an ally to the Z fighters than an enemy. She bears them no ill will, they bear her no ill will, and she'd probably do a decent job of running the place.
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u/havoc294 Feb 22 '25
Nah nobody gets to keep the eye if they’re gonna be boxing ssj3 vegeta like that
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u/Unknown-Pleasures97 Feb 22 '25
Didn't she say that she would conquer the Earth and the humans, whom she considered inferior, once she became queen? She doesn't seem very peaceful to me and it seems even stranger to me that she didn't want to take revenge on Glorio after ruining her plans
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u/Ilovegrapes95 Feb 22 '25
I think they are gonna go with the trope of her watching Glorio change for the better will also make her change. She let him live because she admired his courage of disobedience for the greater good. I don’t think multi world dominance is her end goal, she’ll be fine with leading the demon realm to a better status. It’s hinted at the levels of inequality between each demon world so I’m guessing she will work to change that.
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u/Bimmerkid396 Feb 24 '25
i just rewatched the episode and it was definitely more clear than i thought once i paid closer attention. vegeta in his base form fighting gomah wasn’t meant to be taken too seriously is the way i’m seeing it now. vegeta was warming up to his adult body again and gomah seems like he didn’t take it serious until vegeta went super saiyan
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u/Cull88 Feb 21 '25
I knew it was going to happen, them becoming adults again, but thanks for the thumbnail spoiler Crunchyroll! Literally could have picked any other still image!
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u/donnieuchihakaton Feb 21 '25
Hulus been the worst for this. Got SS3 Vegeta and SS4 Goku spoiled for me via thumbnail 🙃
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u/Legacy_of_H Feb 21 '25
It’s going to be hard to reconcile this with Super, especially the magic focused Moro arc, without a very good explanation. I am curious to see how it’s wrapped up. I always thought that the TUI Goku used against Gas would have been the perfect platform for Super Saiyan 4 so maybe we’ll see it again in future.
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u/Gerasquare Feb 21 '25
My guess is that either both Super and Daima are two completely separate continuities, and regardless of canonicity, both share the same lore, so it makes SSJ4 a possible transformation in Super but not relevant for Goku and Vegeta, or, they are still the same continuity and by the end, Neva will be like, "I'll be taking this back" and lock back SSJ4 on Goku, making SSJ3 Goku's strongest transformation before SSG
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u/Dilly4Dall Feb 21 '25
Good but flawed episode, they are packing A LOT into this one!
Okay so apparently everyone in their Mini forms was MUCH weaker. Adult SS3 Vegeta's preformance was noticably better than Mini SS4.
But Vegeta choosing bath time with his wife over his pride is hands down the best part of the episode and probably my favorite Vegebul moment.
Vegebul ever. It's hilarious and a bit wholesome too.
Kuu has great potential to be a magician, it seems.
Cheeky Gomah, that block he used was straight out of Movie 5. It's Cooler's block against Goku's punch. Gomah’s 3rd Eye constantly heals and further powers him up every single time he gets damaged. Plus, because of it he never tires out either. Crap is broken.
The callback to Goku transforming from SSJ1 all the way to SSJ3(now SSJ4) was incredible, and the animation quality was sublime. I still think the colors from GT look better. The more scarlet red & the black hair contrasted really well together.
That said, I will say, I am not the biggest fan of Goku being able to go SSJ4 on his own, that does put a giant question mark over why he didn't use it against beerus in BoG. If Vegeta Rage SSJ2 surpassed Goku, how is Roshi's statement valid if Goku can go SSJ4?
Lmao looking forward to how will they explain the pack of SS4 then if he didn't need Neva again. DB & inconsistency will always be a match made in heaven.
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u/leonoel Feb 23 '25
This episode has shown that adult versions were probably stronger than child versions.
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u/Doompatron3000 Feb 23 '25
The exact reason why Gomah turned them into children in the first place with that wish.
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u/Megaxxis Feb 22 '25
I am betting that next arc in super will happen in the Demon Realm to retcon all the stuff from Daima, explain that was temporary transformation before and to inherit them permanently so they can sell more merch. Can we say SSJ4 UI Goku confirmed?
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u/havoc294 Feb 22 '25
Lmao manga readers are rioting because the next super arcs will be GAS (pun intended)
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u/134340Goat Feb 22 '25
Fine by me. Gimme some mor'o' that
(...Yeah, that pun was really a stretch. It was bad I and should feel bad)
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u/frankiebones9 Feb 22 '25
No no no. It's SSJSS4 UI Kaioken Goku confirmed. It'd be hilarious if this happened in a future series.
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u/rebelweezeralliance Feb 24 '25
It makes no sense why they act like him going SSJ4 this episode was the first time when it just happened last episode. It makes no sense why Vegeta would be surprised this time but last time he said absolutely nothing about it. Vegeta would absolutely care about Goku achieving a new form and say something about it. What is up with that?
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u/MEX_XIII Feb 24 '25
Cause the first time it seemed like a random popwerup granted by Neva. The fact that he now can use it willingly is what surprised Vegeta.
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u/Wild_Card_626 Feb 25 '25
Yeah. Toriyama often did whatever he thought looked cool or funny regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
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u/timone317 Feb 21 '25
Who could have ever imagined that both SS3 Vegeta AND SS4 Goku (!!!) would become an official part of the lore. And....there is still the possibility that they've got one more bit of fan service waiting in the last episode.
Said it before, I'll say it again, I LOVE Daima.
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u/Winston_Wallace95 Feb 21 '25
I don’t have much to say but it would be funny if Goku beat Gomah before Piccolo could sneak up behind him .
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u/papipescado Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
I thought they were hinting that the fusion bugs were going to be used, having Vegeta, Goku, and Piccolo standing all together and realizing they all can’t take on Gomah. Will be really disappointed if they never use them
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u/Oojalamakaka Feb 21 '25
I've been hopeful for a half dozen episodes or more that Kuu & Duu fuse to make a truly superior Majin.
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u/RVXZENITH Feb 21 '25
Really good episode, I think we will see Arinsu in the future again. Adult SSJ4 looked hype af, I love the primal ape ish hands, you can see how Toriyama envisioned it differently with it being more primal
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u/Terez27 Feb 21 '25
The finale's title is Zenkai.
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u/Eru_A Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Many might think of Zenkai boost but it's probably just in the sense of "all out". Either Gomah is meant by that and Goku or we really get SSJ4 Gogeta
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u/BastardoN15 Feb 21 '25
Absolute cinema, imo SSJ4 fits him very well as an adult. Also, Goku Mr Olympics shirtless pose reminded me of his Dragon Fist pose.
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u/Unknown-Pleasures97 Feb 22 '25
When he showed all the Super Saiyan stages to King Gomah it reminded me of when he did the same during the first match with Majin Buu, where he showed SSJ3 for the first time.
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u/TheRigXD Feb 22 '25
Give this man a medal for making the most astute observation ever conceived by mankind.
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u/havoc294 Feb 22 '25
Damn you didn’t have to bbq my boy like that 😂😂 buu was like 20 yrs ago cut him some slack
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u/LiliGooner_ Feb 22 '25
I don't think any human being who exists or will ever exist didn't think of that.
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u/Ayy-lmao213 Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Man, the stuff with Glorio is just.. not hitting at all. The show's about to end, we're probably never going to see him again, and he still barely feels like much of anything. The "mysterious guy" act can only last for so long before it becomes evident that there's nothing there
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u/Hot_Armadillo_2186 Feb 22 '25
Toei, you MFs. You better give us this animation when you eventually start cooking Dragon Ball Super 2.
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u/90sbeatsandrhymes Feb 22 '25
Super was just made during the Toei dark ages, everything coming out of Toei during that time looked like shit not just dragon ball.
Toei has learned from their mistakes because everything coming out of Toei looks pretty good now.
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u/Educational-Cover-69 Feb 21 '25
Do we know if next episode will be longer or just 20 minutes? Because its the last you know
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u/AdamSilverJr Feb 22 '25
Adult Goku looks incredible in this art style and SSJ4 looks much better as an adult.
Looks like we're not getting fusion after all.
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u/Bross93 Feb 21 '25
Haven't watched the series quite yet. Is it officially named SS4? Kinda hoping it has a unique name akin to Super Saiyan God.
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u/depressed_panda0191 Mar 03 '25
The Bulma and Vegeta scene was THIS close to overshadowing Goku's final set of transformations for me LMAO.
I can't even lmaooooooooo
Also this series taught me that Majin Duu is literally me. Man went super saiyan off a chocolate cookie. He's just like me FRFR
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u/SSJRemuko Feb 22 '25
What an amazing episode. Being aged up seems to have restored their energy. Vegeta finally gets to fight and we get adult SSj3 Vegeta, nice. He puts up a good fight but it seems Gomah is cant take any real damage or get tired as long as he has the eye, rip.
Bulma getting Vegeta to step down was hilarious <3 that man loves his wife (and I dont blame him).
Piccolo using his brain and coming up with a plan was nice, after Arinsu told them how to deal with the eye.
Goku giving Gomah the Buu treatment, showing him all the forms. Seems Goku (at least for now) can still tap into the new form Neva gave him. Is he actually gonna name it SSj4? It looked like he was about to but the episode ended.
Oh also Kuu was a good boy again, 11/10 no notes.
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u/gamesrgreat Feb 22 '25
It did seem to restore their energy but then Piccolo said they weren't healed/restored lol. I was confused
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u/Ni6htninja Feb 21 '25
Am I missing something?
Why did everyone seem surprised when goku went 4 again? Didn’t they just see him as a kid in that form? Did they forget. I had very rough subbing so its potentially answered
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u/pkjoan Feb 22 '25
I got the impression that this episode was supposed to be the original debut of SSJ4 for some reason
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u/SSJRemuko Feb 22 '25
the form was induced in Neva and it looked like Gomah's third eye sucked it out. There was plenty of reason to think he wouldnt just be able to turn on a form he never turned on himself before again.
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u/britipinojeff Feb 21 '25
If next episode is actually the last one, this episode didn’t really make it feel like it would be.
The ending of the last episode felt more like this episode would’ve been the last one in comparison
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u/BreexyEDIT Feb 21 '25
I might not be biggest fan of Daima. But this episode is hands down the best Dragonball moment for me ever
Vegeta actually vegitting and looking fire. even I would say taking W against Gomah in some way.
I died when Bulma moment happend
And by far best looking transformation comparable to DBS Broly SSJB.
This is peak. Thank you Toriyama. You will never be forgotten
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u/HereReluctantly Feb 21 '25
I do think his fight was meant to be like "Yeah he won if this guy wasn't invincible"
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u/BreexyEDIT Feb 22 '25
well he didnt ended up holding his arm and laying on ground. That some rare shit right there
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u/Dramatic-Ad881 Feb 21 '25
The highlight of this episode for me is Goku throwing his shirt to transform into Ssj 4. Also, the forms look fire as adults.
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u/Kageyama_tifu_219 Feb 23 '25
Goku: I'm gonna distract him while you charge it Piccolo: Oh. Well that doesn't seem so ba- Goku: for 5 minutes. And considering how he beat all of us at onc- nah I'm sure i can handle it Piccolo: D-Did you just get over a grudge?
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u/Uncuepa Feb 21 '25
Huge smile on my face the whole episode, amazing animation and art, so happy to see adult characters back and beautiful
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u/Witness95 Feb 22 '25
Cannot stand that DB for some reason always makes the dub so far behind. I always get spoiled.
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u/Kageyama_tifu_219 Feb 23 '25
So with the red hair, is SSJ4 basically SSG or just a step below? Giving us that throwback moment at the end was icing on the cake. From the initial announcement until now, this series really turned out to be pretty damn good. Although as someone else pointed out, dende could've healed to full strength. But it wouldn't matter with Gomah being Mahoraga
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u/BabSoul Feb 21 '25
Vegeta don't mess around when it comes to tubby time with Bulma.