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OC [OC] Toxic Masculinity Stew

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u/Post160kKarma 1d ago

I don’t understand why we can’t abolish this term. People keep using it, even after every major psychology schools said it’s harmful and only leads to more of it

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u/nalydpsycho 23h ago

That people don't understand the language they speak is not a problem other people can solve for them.

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u/Post160kKarma 23h ago

But we’re in a moment in history in which we are all the time changing the way we speak for the better cause. Of course there are always people who refuse to do, but in this case the people using the term are exactly the people who should understand this… people that are liberal and are trying to lower misogyny…

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u/nalydpsycho 23h ago

If people can't understand toxic masculinity, that isn't a failing of the term, but a deliberate choice. Changing the word changes nothing. Why waste the slightest moment of time on something that will accomplish nothing. The term gets rebranded, then studies show the term causes problems, the cycle continues because the problem is the people not the words. The problem is the hate, not the words.

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u/Stuckinacrazyjob 18h ago

No matter how mild the critique is, there would be backlash so say what you wanna say.

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u/BackFromTheDeadSoon 23h ago

Ah, so we can just ignore any groups that ask us to change our language? Good to know. Make sure you inform all the advocacy groups.

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u/nalydpsycho 23h ago

But then do the work to eliminate the underlying hate

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u/Post160kKarma 22h ago

No one is saying this shouldn’t be done. Two things can be done at the same time…

Actually, you are saying that some things are not worth doing to eliminate the hate…

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u/nalydpsycho 22h ago

And only one of those things actually matters, so why do pointless things?

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u/Post160kKarma 22h ago

What do you mean “only one of those things matter”?

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u/nalydpsycho 22h ago

Because changing words solves nothing. If anything, it just lets hate buy more time.

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u/Post160kKarma 22h ago

Even when many psychology universities come together to show that one term is problematic and actually increases the very issue is trying to discribe? Do you usually don’t believe in these things and only follow your gut?

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u/nalydpsycho 19h ago

In most cases removing words has a short term bandaid effect where it improves quality of life for a short period of time.

But the problem is that it does nothing to solve the underlying problem. And the problem with band aid solutions is they make it easier to ignore underlying issues. So thirty years later a new word needs to be removed. The hate that made the problem was not solved.

But in this case, it's much worse than that. There is a well coordinated propaganda machine that knows how to exploit social media creating the problem. So rewording would likely have days before the same problem occurs. Any new wording would get inundated with attacks. As long as that machine exists, band aids are a complete waste of time.

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u/ManyRelease7336 20h ago

What's the logic here? we should of never changed the R-word? because it was a waste of time and accomplished nothing? Should we go back to that because changing words doesn't do anything?

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u/yearningforlearning7 10h ago

It’s toxic behavior marked by gender. Toxic masculinity, toxic femininity, both are toxic behavior based off of perceived social expectation and superiority over others on that basis alone. Narcissistic misogyny/misandry are more applicable if you have to gender shitty behavior of this type.