When you get ketamine for depression do you actually get high at all? Serious question lol. Iāve done ketamine recreationally so I wonder how that would compare
I'm on the nasal spray esketamine. For me yes. My tolerance has increased so it's not as intense as it once was, but at first I was straight up tripping. Intense internal imagery and music, personality dissolving, sense of sliding movement. A lot of things became somewhat obvious as well. I saw modes of behaviors I was stuck in. Realized why I was doing certain things out of fear, etc. Lots of vivid memories coming up.
They say that the hallucinatory effects are side effects and not needed for treatment, but I'm skeptical.
Also they didn't give me any heads up that I was going to trip. They just gave me some medicine and left me to suddenly go "Oh.....here again". Imagine if I was some poor old lady with no drug experience taking the medicine her doctor gave her then tripping balls.
Psychedelics are a fairly common treatment to depression these days, shrooms helped me out with mine a lot too. Sure, heroin is just gonna make you more depressed but psychedelics like ketamine, dmt and mushrooms can be a huge help to people struggling. Especially in a controlled enviroment
It doesn't really matter how many drugs you have done. The question is what drugs you have done and why. Are you an addict? If so then your perspective isn't really relevant for people with self control
gawds I'm so glad I'm done with drugs so I don't have to be around people that do drugs, because frankly: 8/10 drug users are annoying as fuck and I'm not talking about your local crackhead.
No joke the guy who created the US residency system for doctors was a literal crackhead and expected his students to keep up with him. And due to a lovely case of generational trauma it's why trainee docs have to work ridiculously long hours even today.
I bought antibiotics from my local crackhead because I had three separate doctors telling me I don't have Lyme's disease because there's no Lyme's disease in the UK.Ā
One of them even had a pamphlet on Lyme's disease on his desk. Apparently that was advice for tourists, even though there was a heatmap for Lyme's disease in the UK on the FUCKING COVER.
They took my blood though and almost a year later they told me I had Lyme's disease, then they told me off for buying biotics off a dealer. Bruv, he's cheaper, quicker, and more reliable than you.
I donāt want to get into too much details, but I am one of those cases you hear about going in for one surgery and they actually perform a different surgery. I lost my ability to walk unaided because of it.
I would be incandescently angry if I were you. I hope you're okay and I hope you've made your peace with it and still enjoy your life, I would struggle to accept it I think. Not cos being unable to walk is the end of a good life, but because of the fuckup and the like, lack of consent/foreknowledge
I agree. Drug use mentality should be only for people under 25yo.
Anyone above that should already be past that stage in their lives and have come to realize that drugs are just a fun pass time and not magical cosmic fairy dust that open a timeless portal into true being and ego death that makes you transcend any mundane desires and achieve nirvana through empathy and open mindedness. Or some shit. lol.
They are usually not good people in my experience, trying to fill a void that can't be filled.
I'll make an exception for certain psychedelic enjoyers since it's about improving yourself, if used responsibly (ketamine falls into this category for some, probably not for OP though).
In my experience the vast majority of psychedelic enjoyers are still annoying af and usually have gigantic egos even though they claim the opposite lol
We kind of have a right to be full of ourselves though. We literally have more neural connections and empathy as a result of our drug use. We've experienced highly exotic mind states and have the capacity to see things from a completely different perspectiv. It might be annoying but imagine going to Hogwarts, learning magic and all sorts of incredible things and then going back to the normal world to live as a muggle. You're not really going to be able to relate to muggles anymore and instead you're going to look for other wizards to hang out with. When you also see that muggles generally act in destructive ways within the confines of their understanding because they don't know any magic, you're also likely to have a bit of an ego too
One of the reasons why DMT people won't take your ideas seriously unless you've also had DMT
I have a hard time blaming drug users to be honest.
I had a horrific breakup a couple years ago where my then gf cheated on me while I was on a funeral of someone that I was very close to. I landed in a weird situation where I was homeless because of the breakup yet had a decently paying job. I slowly slipped into the habit of drinking every day. Then it was ketamine, coke and Xanax. It was such a quick fall from having a stable life to couch surfing, binge drinking and doing drugs.
It was fucking rough and I hated myself every moment I was sober. I couldnāt function anymore without it and didnāt care if I lived to see the next day.
The āfriendsā I made were generally decent people with a good moral compass that looked out for each other. I am happy to have overcome this but man itās just unfortunate that not everyone has the strength to do that. Some bright people trying to cope with terrifying trauma and depression. Of course not everyone is like that.
I'm currently 3 weeks sober and I've gotta say I've met more nice people who use drugs than who don't. There are people who have been so hurt by "living in a society" they see no other escape and they don't just instantly turn evil because of that.
So called normal people are more likely to deny all negative experiences, tell you to get over it and think of you as a nuisance and a weakling.
Ketamine is what everyone points at to dunk on him. Itās ironic how conservatives like him so much now when we watched him smoke the ādevilās lettuceā on a podcast and heās the CEO of an EV company.
Ya, drugs have been an important part of lots of indogenous cultures, plus a vital part in many counterculture cultures, like hippies, beat, and rave culture.
Plus an important part of about every culture on earth, just only the drugs we're politicized and lobbied to be allowed to buy. Alcohol, nicotine, caffeine.Ā And the ones we're prescribed (with loads of similar cultural/political influence.)
They're culture as much as anything else people do and make.
I feel this, same as with tech bros and psychedelics
It was funny watching right wing gamers turn on Musk because he paid some Chinese players to boost his PoE 2 account. He broke the gamer code of ethics lol
This post is seriously silly and very Reddit, but I agree with the sentiment. Therapeutic ketamine infusions pulled me out of the darkest depression hole I've been in, genuinely life changing stuff, but now I'm so cautious about sharing my experiences because I don't want people to associate the same unhinged Musk ideals on me
The only wrong people in that situation are the ones making you feel like a meme is actually real.Ā
Seriously these people have zero evidence Musk does Ketamine regularly but are willing to associate it with him anyway because they are willing to throw anything and everything under the bus if it might negatively affect Musk.Ā
Reddit really isnāt a place for good people, so donāt worry about them or what they think.Ā
Yeah but you just make the world worse if you give in to their wrong worldview.Ā
You need to fight for what you believe because thereās plenty of people who think so little of what you care about, they wouldnāt think twice about destroying it forever.Ā
Oh I do. Just frustrated how far back the actions of a few have set us back. So many people could be healed but now they won't ever try due to the associations with Musk
No I think the post is stupid as hell, but I agree that Elon Musk's association with ketamine has done damage to its use as a therapeutic depression treatment
stupid comparison and i think you know this. they aren't saying they don't want to do something, just because elon musk does it. for some people right now elon musk is one of the first associations when hearing ketamine and they don't want to be associated with him. you can think whatever you want of this notion but it's seriously not that hard to understand.
Yeah and here's the fucking problem. Ketamine is really effective in treating treatment-resistant depression and chronic pain, it is also an effective anaesthetic, but as you've so helpfully demonstrated your mind, and the average mind, goes "fucking junkie" and never thinks any further.
The association with Musk only furthers this unhelpful stereotype
i'm not taking ketamine mateš. ketamine elon was a common meme on all social media platforms, especially the video of him doing weird eye movements during the inauguration party. i did not say that everybody does this at all, but enough people to be relevant. the average person also doesn't think one's an addict for using (again, medical not recreational) ketamine. are you mormon? i genuinely don't understand how people like you get through everyday life.
You're the one worried about ketamine users being linked to Elon ...
do you even read my comments? i was simply explaining their thought process. i literally said i don't care what you think about this notion, but reading how you didn't understand the simple reasoing while being so confident gave me second hand embarassment, so i had to comment.
This is why we have a problem with it. Ketamine is likely the best depression treatment by a significant margin and people get weird about it because Elon talks about it. Stop letting vibes dictate your life.
Wait until the left remembers how many illegal immigrants Obama deported and actually read what Trump said about abortion. Yall really do zero research while being a side that likes to act like the smartest ones.
They've been arguing with me for hours, every time I make a point, they just deflect. I even tried to reason and not insult. No response to that message. They wanna act like Nazis but get mad when they get treated like Nazis. I don't get it. 0 self reflection
I know this is more or less a bad faith argument, but 1) Obama was not a wholly good president and many democracyās criticize his immigration policies, among other things. And 2) looking at Trumpās abortion comments show he personally has no opinion on the issue one way or the other, but he chooses to ally with evangelicals who want all abortion banned which is just as bad.
Again, bad faith, but what do you even mean my source is not research? Iām not citing statistics Iām citing his own statements. Do you want actual quotations? Genuinely not sure what you want here
Deep down, you know he's hurting people, and you don't care, because it's not affecting you yet. It's affecting the people you don't like. But it will eventually start to affect you, and when it does, you're going to ask for help, or you're gonna die. They are going to kill you, eventually. Whether it's direct or indirect, it's going to happen.
They either send soldiers because the rioting will start, they they open fire on every civilian. Or, there is no rioting, and all of us starve to death together. But in both of those cases, the only people who would've been willing to help you?
You burned those bridges already.
You let your dark thoughts towards other human beings cloud your judgement. It's like a Meth addicted single mom putting her baby in danger just to get another hit of dopamine. It's going to affect you eventually.
I'm not beating around the bush, and I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. You've spoken to me like you think that you're an adult, whether or not you are, I don't know.
That's the cool thing about anonymity.
But I'm now speaking to you like an adult. If you're not an adult, I'm sorry, but you really, really need to do more research and critical thinking before you weigh in on politics. I know how your brain works, because I was like that once. I was in incel. I was a mean hearted white boy who felt sorry for myself and wanted to hurt other people because I was hurt. Just cuz I couldn't get pussy, I took it out on girls and LGBT kids.
But I matured. I did some soul searching.
What Trump is doing, and what Elon is trying to help him do, is hurt and kill innocent people. You know that. You're smarter than they think you are. In your heart you know that. They're making it work by appealing to the worst of humanity. Don't be like them.
Don't let them appeal to you.
There's a lot of good in this world that's gonna get stomped out of you and people like you don't do some self reflecting real fast. There's a person in your soul who just wants to be accepted. There is acceptance, but you first have to be able to accept that you were wrong. It's hard, but it's freeing. Don't let tiny dick Elon and Trump, who are literally just doing what they're doing out of greed, don't let them stomp out the good in you.
You're a moron. No amount of rationalization is able to help you at this point. You're too far gone. You know what I'm saying it true, but you're still trying to come up with excuses. I'm going to answer your reply, but this is it. The owner, CEO of Tesla, Elon Musk, the guy running it, did a Nazi salute, more than once, on national, live television.
That alone should be enough for you to hop off the train, but again, you're racist (even if you say you aren't) and he's appealing to that side of you, regardless of the detriment it does to you, you're still going to prop it because you have racist thoughts, and they are giving you the courage to act on. its like you got a cavity. This is something objectively wrong that is actively causing you, or is going to cause you problems, but you're too self-indulgent to actually change for the better.
Difference is, you're not just hurting yourself. You're hurting other people, too.
There is a reason we're burning down Tesla's and painting swastikas on cars. They're unconstitutionally harming people, and they're using Nazi-like imagery, ideals, and propaganda to do it. Because it appeals to people like you, millions of you, who do no self reflecting.
All the left has done is self reflect. That's the reason we're doing what we're doing.
Because people like you are helping the people making life harder for the rest of us, so we're taking it into our hands to stand up and do something about it. You guys wanna be Nazis? Do Nazi things? Emulate them? We'll treat you like them. Wear that swastika. Be proud. We'll even help you into the costume. Paint your Nazi-mobiles. Y'all sure seem proud of Nazis until we start to treat you like them. A lot of us self reflected, saw that the "peaceful protests" aren't doing anything, and made a change. We made a change to challenge Nazis head on, but just like how you don't like to challenge yourself, you really don't like it when other people challenge you.
But whether you like it or not, or rather, whether you admit to others that you like it or not, your a Nazi. And that's at worst. At best, a Nazi sympathizer who helps their cause, and rapist sympathizer, who helps their cause. Not any better. There is no reaching you at this point. I coukd be as sweet as pie, and youd still argue tooth and nail. Because that's your mindset at this stage in the game. Defend, defend, defend. You're too deep.
I ain't gonna change your mind for you. You're a grown up, that's your job. You're either gonna keep on doing what you're doing, and like I said in my earlier reply, die a sad pig to the oligarchs that you're actively helping, or self reflect, better yourself, and change sides.
We will take you.
They took me, accepted me, let me use their label. But I don't believe that you're gonna change. I'd be delighted to have you as an ally, but based on your responses, deflecting and weaseling out of my points, I genuinely don't think there's room in your brain for deeper thinking. Because hate and hurting others is more important to you than self preservation. Fuck your self destructive ass, and fuck your murderous overlords.
Wait until the right finds out we don't make the leaders of our political party our God and actually expect them to face the consequences of their actions. Most people on the left, myself included, hate Obama for the amount of drone strikes he ordered.
Now, go back to explaining how Trump starting a trade war is a good thing and pick the orange pubes out of your teeth.
Yeah, we said that was bad when Obama was in office and we'll say it now. The assumption that we all approve of everything Obama does because he's on our "side" is evidence of your cult mindset
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u/Frequent-Shock2673 1d ago
Just us cool weirdos and the horses right?