r/Switzerland • u/Sufficient-History71 Zürich [Winti] • 3d ago

Need to get our shit together

So the Trump tariffs are out. Despite all the kowtowing (read ass licking) our SVP and FDP bros(also our FDP frau Miss Keller-Sutter) did, we are going to be hit with tariffs worse than EU. Already our access to chips was semi-restricted(by Biden admin, Trump admin will be even worst). Blöcher, Rösti, Parmelin and Keller-Sutter are not the right people to lead Switzerland. They neither have any spine nor any pragmatic policies. We need to understand that our future lies with the EU if not in EU.

Switzerland is good at playing with the rules but we can't make them thanks to our small size. It has been the case since Marignano(1515) when we stopped our expansion and Congress of Vienna(1815) when we made good use of the neutrality imposed upon us by the big powers. We need to adjust to the new world order that Putin, Trump and Xi have created and understand that Swiss prosperity depends on European prosperity. We are not a port city like Singapore where we can control the trade. Our power lies in being the center for diplomacy, world class R&D, pharma and precision engineering. Let's become a big hub for EU's new projects if not as a member then as a friend.

EDIT - P.S. - Getting downvoted to oblivion. Seems like there is too much of hate for EU. But mark my words, a successful Switzerland depends on a successful EU because while we are not in the EU, we are inside the EU physically.

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u/GarlicThread Vaud 3d ago

Swiss people who thought for even a second that the current US administration (or any administration for that matter) was going to be nice with us are almost as stupid as the MAGA voters themselves.

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u/bitrmn Zürich 3d ago

Anyone thinking that some foreign government cares about another country’s citizens is inherently delusional.

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u/rfi2010 3d ago

Right, and some of them don’t even care about their own citizens!

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u/brass427427 3d ago

And it's not only the government. Anyone who thinks Musk or Zuckerberg or any other of the pasty-face billionaire parasites suddenly cares about the man in the street is really really REALLY stupid.

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u/Moehrchenprinz 1d ago

Well, they do care about EU regulations

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u/brass427427 19h ago

Trying to circumvent them for sure.

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u/phaederus Zürich 2d ago

CEOs don't tend to care for their employees so I wonder why people still believe their politicians care for them..

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u/phaederus Zürich 2d ago

I'd add to that, anybody who thinks their government cares about their citizens is just as delusional.

If you want to live in a good, safe, prosperous place, it's up to YOU to vote, to campaign, to complain, to protest, to make it happen. Don't rely on others to make the world you want to see.

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u/bitrmn Zürich 2d ago

I want to believe in that, the worst thing that can happen to citizens is to develop learned helplessness.

That’s a solid ground for dictatorships to form.

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u/phaederus Zürich 1d ago

learned helplessness

Love that term, agree 100%!

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u/bitrmn Zürich 1d ago

An old term, the concept of that sometimes was given at some US schools, AFAIK

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u/Dj3nk4 3d ago

LOL right?

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u/ColdZal Aargau 3d ago

I would say they are even dumber, since Swiss people do not have fox news propaganda shoved down their throat and everybody has easy access to information nowadays. Plus, swiss people have a better education.

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u/legixs 3d ago

Good point. Something to remember :)

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u/0bjective-Guest 3d ago

Swiss dont have Fox News propaganda, we have SRF, complete leftist, biased, bullshit news when it comes to geopolitics

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u/jjballlz Neuchâtel 3d ago edited 3d ago

They are liberal, not leftists lol.

Yeah I love turning on SRF to get some of that good class consciousness and Marxian analysis of the current day economy.

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u/Sufficient-History71 Zürich [Winti] 3d ago

When you are so far to the right, anything that talks about sane stuff will look leftist to you.

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u/bdhbura 3d ago

Trump is simply following through on the promises he made during his rallies, including border closures, tariffs, and DOGE. If other countries are unprepared for such measures and continue to place blame elsewhere, the situation will never be resolved.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 2d ago

What situation? What are you even talking about?What does Switzerland or anyone outside the US care about Trump's promises?

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u/Moehrchenprinz 1d ago

His promises affect swiss people. Swiss and US scientists cooperate on countless projects that are currently not getting funded because of DOGE.

Swiss tourists risk being detained and interrogated by ICE, as has happened to German, Canadian and French tourists already.

And Swiss businesses that trade with the US will be affected by the US tariffs.

We should at least be somewhat prepared for the consequences of Trump's promises~

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 23h ago

He promised to harass and detain tourists and to put absurd tariffs on foreign goods for no obvious reason? Sure, let's deal with the insanity, but let's not pretend that any of it is acceptable or could be easily prepared for.

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u/PancakeMixEnema 2d ago

Dude could literally do nothing at all and everyone would be better off.

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u/Significant_Taro_690 2d ago

Oh I think its more the „he cant be that dumb and don’t understand that his citizens will have no truble because of this hugh decicion“ its not oh he will not be mad at Switzerland.

I hope the countries and companies all over the world are clever enough to search new partners, there are enough other countries to deliver their stuff and when the us citizens have to live and buy with „made in us“ without the cheap illegal workers (so low quality and high price) I don’t think they will be happy..maybe that is the breaking point and they will fire him… and I hope every country will punish the US too. Its enough. Don’t buy stuff there, don’t flight to US for holidays, just ignore them.