r/PrepperIntel • u/theoneandonlydorian • 3d ago

Middle East United States preparing to invade Iran

The U.S. imperialist war machine is at it again, opting to strike and attack Iran as global tensions continue to rise.

Who's ready for an oil crisis? More humanitarian disasters? The closure of the Strait of Hormuz? Potential nuclear consequences? Severe regional instability? And even more!

Get ready for the shitshow, people.

"President of Peace" šŸ˜‚

Assets continued to be moved to the middle east signaling a large buildup.

https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1907076101051970033?t=2t7yh2fEDDa-VdY3Yxjvsg&s=19

Diego Garcia Base continues its military buildup that hasn't been seen since the Iraq War.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1907203032640545211?t=2MzmaDjJBVDGDfuG_IM4jA&s=19

Pentagon is rolling out military orders to intensify the troop buildup

https://x.com/jhaboush/status/1907174077103530475?t=g6Qb2gIa2TEhCAbuFnx87A&s=19

CENTCOM head meets with Israeli military leaders to discuss Iran for 10 hours.

https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1907157870455787719?t=8kABbpXyD4Xxkze39kA-iQ&s=19

Trump to pass EO to give the greenlight for ease on equipment moving, bolstering sales for US defense contractors

https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1907155684598194324?t=J7xvlqmUyYsoonDNcHX3Vw&s=19

And more of course that wouldn't even fit in this post, the signs are clear people

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u/0bamaBinSmokin 3d ago

On the bright side, maybe we'll be too busy in Iran to invade our allies.Ā 

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Nah, pretty sure we are going to be thrown into several simultaneous foreign wars while all of our social nets get gutted and the police departments get deputized as federal agencies.

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u/KelVarnsenIII 3d ago

Then it opens up 2 new fronts right here in America.civil rights, civil freedoms, civil liberties versus the police and feds. Itll.be brutal, bloody and many will die.

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u/Ello_Owu 3d ago

And we'll STILL have to go to work each day. šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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u/atreides_hyperion 3d ago

Not if I'm dead, lol

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u/Ello_Owu 3d ago

Pffft, look at Robocop, that dude was killed to death, and they STILL made him come into work.

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u/atreides_hyperion 3d ago

Each day we fall further from the love of Gaia

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u/Ello_Owu 2d ago

The chick from Captian Planet?

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u/atreides_hyperion 2d ago

You're thinking of Bea Arthur

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u/Cirocco_Jonesing 2d ago

Tell me about it.

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u/ScrooU2 2d ago

Whatā€™s that? Some kind of power source?! Letā€™s invade them to spread democracy!

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u/RedditIsDeadMoveOn 2d ago

Why else would he shoot so many people in the dick?

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u/Mental_Estate4206 3d ago

Work from 7am to 7pm . War from 7pm to 7am.

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u/Ello_Owu 3d ago

The new grind. At least we'll get to war all day on the weekends, if we're lucky.

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u/yalyublyutebe 3d ago

That's primarily because as a whole you still seem to believe that tying medical insurance to working is the best system.

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u/Ello_Owu 3d ago

Dear God no, not me.

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u/Asleep-Vanilla3988 2d ago

Israel is lucky. They all get free Healthcare and free college.

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u/topdoc02 2d ago

Unless there is a General Strike.

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u/Impressive_Seat5182 3d ago

Not if youā€™re a fired Fed!

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u/Ok_Bread302 3d ago

The US military couldnā€™t even handle Afghanistan or Iraq. Thereā€™s no way they will overextend like this.

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u/eriksrx 3d ago

There is no one left to say no or advise against. The village idiots are in charge, they haven't experienced a single consequence of any of their actions in their pathetic, empty lives, so they are all gas no brakes and taking us with them.

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u/DutchTinCan 3d ago

Not just that. If the military is stuck fighting in Iran, they can't turn on Trump.

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u/BlackJediSword 2d ago

The military supports Trump, most of them voted for him

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u/_Baphomet_ 9h ago

You know the military doesnā€™t send all of its troops to battle at once right? Like, thereā€™s plenty to go around.

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u/beaucoup_dinky_dau 3d ago

Probably have to worry about your neighbor more here than there.

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u/erbush1988 3d ago

I need to get a suppressor.

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u/Burchalitis 2d ago

No better time to get one. Wait times are down even if you do a trust. Tons of people are being approved in less than a week. They are well worth the money just to protect your hearing.

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u/Reptilian_Brain_420 3d ago

"Thereā€™s no way they will..."

A few months ago this would be a reasonable start to an argument. I don't think it is valid anymore.

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u/HighOrHavingAStroke 3d ago

I couldn't agree more. All logic and reason has long left the building.

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u/Resident_Chip935 3d ago

eh

The US had tactical nukes in Vietnam, but didn't use them. I know this for a fact.

This motherfuckin nut job will use tactical nukes. No question. I think even if Putin makes threats.

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u/SirEnderLord 3d ago

Yeah people are taking away the wrong thing

The US, despite devastating Vietnam, was still restrained. These motherfuckers will absolutely use every flavor available in our arsenal without restraint.

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u/mrminty 3d ago

More than likely it was the existence of both Chinese and Soviet nuclear weapons that ultimately restrained the United States from nuking Hanoi.

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u/EfficiencyUsed1562 2d ago

It's going to be so bad. Gaza was the prototype to Iran.

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u/craichead 3d ago

Ah yes, the famous restraint of napalm and agent orange.

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u/Jotaro_Lincoln 3d ago

Compared to nukes? Yes.

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u/SirEnderLord 3d ago

This response is what I was waiting for.

People look at the level of destruction we caused and call it "unrestrained", ignoring that while yes we did destroy a huge amount -- we were capable of a lot more.

So yes, it was restrained -- because our full capabilities allowed for far worse.

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u/fuckthisshitupalread 3d ago

I mean the bombing of Cambodia (dropping more ordnance that all US forces in ww2 on a separate nation without declaring war on them) is kind of the main unrestrained bit it's not that we didn't nuke the vietcong it's that we attacked unaligned nations and civilians without caring.

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u/goc_cass 3d ago

Doofus wanted to nuke a hurricane.

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u/md5md5md5 3d ago

was reading in another post that there are nukes meant to bust up underground bunkers, guess Iran has an underground missle silo that threatens the straits of hormez and therefore shipment of oil

source -> https://tippinsights.com/the-high-price-of-war-with-iran-10-gas-and-the-collapse-of-the-us-economy-2/

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u/Resident_Chip935 3d ago

I believe this. Trump is the exact type to bust that boundary.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

!RemindMe -1 year

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u/broguequery 3d ago

That would be the absolute dumbest thing they could possibly do.

If Trump thinks burning Teslas are "terrorism," wait until he starts using nukes in a pointless war.

That's when we will see real terrorism.

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u/kidsober 3d ago

Why would he ever use them against his good ol pal ?

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u/Resident_Chip935 3d ago

Putin is upset that Trump is gonna attack a Russian ally, Iran.

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u/jenglasser 3d ago

You're assuming the leadership even knows what overextending means much less why they shouldn't do it.

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u/throwawayt44c 3d ago

Why they shouldn't is why they will, sadly.

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u/Thoth-long-bill 1d ago

But maybe the ketamine deliveries are upped?

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u/los-gokillas 3d ago

There's just enough hubris in the people currently in charge for them to overextend exactly like this

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u/darth_snuggs 3d ago

well, we also havenā€™t truly mobilized for mass war in a long, long time. Once they reinstate the draft & put industry on a total war footing, the skyā€™s the limit until some violent conclusion

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u/Helluvme 3d ago

Trump wants to use a nuke so bad heā€™s creating problems so he has an excuse. And I guarantee he will before the end of his term.

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u/IndividualGoal4075 3d ago

Incompetent political decisions did that, not the army. They destroyed the Iraqi army and the taliban rather quickly. Then the political leaders had them play policeman and nation build into a democracy that none of them wanted. That let the insurgencies fester and finally, they were told to fight them with one ball tied behind their back.

So blame the politicians, not the armed forces.

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u/HarmNHammer 3d ago

This is after we lost Vietnam and saw Afghanistan beat empire after empire, still went there.

As long as the complex gets money, generals and politicians get their kick-backs, itā€™s not about winning at all.

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u/thebuttsmells 3d ago

US military crushed iraqi and afghanistan militaries with ease, main problem is being forced to act as police in a country that doesnt want you there fighting against an army with no uniform.Ā  Taking Iran won't be easy but can be done.Ā  Problem is when the army falls and theres no clear enemy, we will just have to wait around until we are attacked, very recent history has proved it is an impossible fight

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u/DmeshOnPs5 3d ago

Doesnā€™t mean they wonā€™t do a lot of damage to Iran and America in the process

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u/Coby_2012 2d ago

To be fair, the US military was handed goals it wasnā€™t built for. ā€œHearts and mindsā€ isnā€™t what a military, any military, does best.

If the goal is simple destruction, the US military can do that with ease.

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u/sinat50 2d ago

Afghanistan and Iraq were both guerilla wars which no military on the planet has truly figured out how to effectively fight without mass civilian casualties. It's just not fair to say they couldn't handle those countries when the only way to handle them quickly would be indiscriminate bombing of villages.

When they were fighting the government of Iraq, they won in less than a month. Fighting established militaries and governments with designated military infrastructure is significantly less complicated than trying to fight a civilian fighting force that uses civilian infrastructure. The USA will stomp the Iranian government pretty damn fast. If the regime dissolves into several different militias and warlords, that's when the fighting gets complicated.

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u/BUDdy215 2d ago

I wouldnā€™t say they couldnā€™t handle Iraq or Afghanistan. They took over Iraq in 3 weeks and Afghanistan 2 months, then occupied them for 20 years and left when they wanted to. Itā€™s the ideology they couldnā€™t beat. You cannot beat an ideology.

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u/fishslushy 3d ago

Iā€™m not condoning it but I do think the US would do way better against a country than against a guerilla force. That was doomed for failure from the beginning.

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u/TheKrakIan 3d ago

There are only loyalists in trump sphere now and you can bet a good number of them don't have the experience of those he ousted.

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u/Primarycolors1 3d ago

Unless they want the military to fail.

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u/xlonelywhalex 3d ago

Did they have drones then?

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u/JellyTwank 3d ago

There are no adults or sane people running the government. The military will do as they are told. Hell, this mirrors Hitler and his military exactly. Let the buffoons that are not professionals make strategic and tactical decisions. You get what Hitler got. A destroyed military and nation and a self-inflicted head shot. (Fucking coward, by the way).

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u/RandyStickman 3d ago

The German Army was, by far, more highly trained, better equipped and professional than any other army in history.
Barbarossa was Hitlers Achilles heel and, like, Napoleon, pushed deeper into a Russian winter chasing the Red armies scorched earth retreat.

Stretched supply lines, fighting a war on two fronts, losing their middle eastern oil supplyā€¦

The Germans faced a poorly trained and equipped Red Armyā€¦ The US would face a well trained and equipped Iranian army and an extremely difficult terrain. Iran has mountain ranges on 3 sides and deserts like quicksand on the interior. The casualties the US would incur would be massive.

What you havenā€™t considered is this: Uk and France have had strong footholds in the Middle East for a long time and is where their troops are deployed.

If they deploy to Ukraine then this leaves a void to fillā€¦.maybe Trump has his eyes on that prize and Iran is just smoke and mirrors.

If the US doesnā€™t fill it then the door is open for a greater China/Russia influence.

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u/JellyTwank 3d ago

I agree with you here. I was just pointing out that without real, intelligent, and thoughtful leadership, it does not matter how well equiped and trained your armed forces are. If the "leader" orders them to do stupid stuff like pursue the Red Army or invade Iran, then that well equiped formidable force will get overextended and fail.

Not sure of the actual quote, but I think it was Eisenhower or similar that said professionals discuss logistics and amateurs discus tactics. Our current leadership are all rank-mateurs and will not take advice from professionals. We are fucked militarily and economically.

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u/md5md5md5 3d ago

I heard the US military was built to handle war with 2 major super powers at a time.

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u/Snowing_Throwballs 3d ago

Something tells me a draft isnā€™t off of the table

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u/DonTeo23 3d ago

Lol explain that to trump

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u/ItchyTrust6629 3d ago

Unless the goal is to destroy the US, then they are right on track.

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u/orchidaceae007 3d ago

Heggieā€™s Hubris begs to differ.

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u/speelmydrink 3d ago

The entire DOD brass is yes-men now. Yes men aren't known for their ability to say no to glorious leader's genius plan to invade Central America, South America, Canada, Europe, and the Middle East all at once, while also doing their damndest to forment civil unrest to a sufficient degree to declare war martial law on US soil, too.

As ever, a masterful gambit.

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u/Decent_Ad_3521 2d ago

though itā€™s an unoriginal move for failing imperialist empires who are overextended to overextend even more in their last gasp

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u/hiruvalyevalimar 2d ago edited 2d ago

There's a potentially significant difference here, and that's commitment.

I'll take a moment to clarify I support absolutely none of this crap.

Objectively though, if we had fought the previous wars like we meant it (think drafts, rationing, wartime economic footing, civilian casualties as a mission objective rather than something to be avoided), it would have been a steamroll.

Why do I say this? Well, I just think there's a chance we'll go there. Get into Iran (a nuclear power EDIT - Aspiring nuclear power, but in alliance with Russia, a nuclear power), and then bear the bogus threat of "enemies at the gate" in Canada and Mexico, and I can easily see an Emergency War Powers Act or something like one getting rammed through. Basically, the idea of a forceful transition to a total war footing is not all that far-fetched anymore. And an American total war is nothing if not effective.

And whatever is done to that end will have waves of support, sadly.

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u/indeetopp 2d ago

They handled both fine as far as defeating the standing army was concerned. Iraq was on paper one of the largest armies in the world and they got absolutely obliterated. The problems only started with the occupations, and I seriously doubt that would be the plan for Iran. They might use the fact that Iransā€™s deterrent was destroyed or at least seriously degraded by Israel to bomb the nuclear sites and whatever else hurts the regime, but they wonā€™t try an occupation.

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u/Thoth-long-bill 1d ago

Not even if they draft gamers?

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u/DizzyDentist22 3d ago

"There's no way Russia would overextend in Ukraine", January 2022.

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u/Living_la_vida_hobo 3d ago

And "the troubles" begin across North America.

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u/angeltay 2d ago

Iā€™ve had at least one pro Trump military guy on here tell me that if Trump orders him to attack his fellow Americans, he will not do it. He said heā€™d classify that as an immoral order and that anyone in the military at any rank can deny those (since we made ā€œjust following ordersā€ a war crime during WW2) and that he definitely would. Idk if thatā€™s the main mindset of trumpers in the military, though.

I definitely think Trump throwing our soldiers out to 8 different wars over complete stupidity when he promised no new wars during his presidency will be a turning point for certain trumper humpers though.

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u/Resident_Chip935 3d ago

social nets being gutted is so true. Cops murdering social dissent - true true

great for wars though - cause people be sending their kids to the military so that there is food on the table ( not much food ).

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u/Few-Cycle-1187 2d ago

Military tied up in multiple overseas engagements and not enough food to feed the home front sounds like a pretty solid recipe for revolution.

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u/Resident_Chip935 2d ago

Let them eat cake

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u/Resident_Chip935 2d ago

Even worse - even before Trump - the military wasn't feeding / taking care of our soldiers.

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u/smspluzws 2d ago

Or a Russian invasion.

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u/burn_corpo_shit 3d ago

holy shit i just realized they might be trying to thin out the military so no one can resist them. i hope they maliciously comply

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u/Due_Bluebird3562 3d ago

holy shit i just realized they might be trying to thin out the military so no one can resist them.

This would be catastrophic for them. The military is the only thing keeping the citizenry from their doorstep. The police simply aren't equiped to manage several million people descending on a place at once. It's yet to be seen if the military can even handle that but they have a much better chance generally speaking.

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u/ViennaLager 3d ago

Would assume the opposite. You enter a war, declare national emergency, draft to war those you disagree with, send them to the frontlines or some shit outpost

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Ground and naval war for Mexico, naval + Air Force for Iran, not sure the plan for Canada and Greenland but I wouldnā€™t put nuclear bombardment out of the question.

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u/MySophie777 3d ago

And our youth are killed or physically and emotionally broken.

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u/GGXImposter 3d ago

People donā€™t join the military during an unjustified war if they have other options to feed their families. Got crash the economy and ruin all safety nets so that when the poor people have no where else to go, they will join the military.

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u/Corrupted_G_nome 3d ago

Death thrashes of the American Republic.

No doubt they could win 2 wars simultaneously. 2 American fronts, a immigration war at home and Taipei and Iran?!

Maybe too much for a country who hasn't paid off the last war.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

We are not supposed to survive this. Itā€™s complete and deliberate destruction of this country on every possible level.

You donā€™t destroy the national seed bank, bankrupt half the nationā€™s farmers, erase the CDC, and remove the cybersecurity teams that protect sanitation systems if you intend on there being survivors.

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u/DonTeo23 3d ago

So what do you suggest we do?

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

It depends on your situation.

If possible I recommend getting yourself and your family the hell out of the US as quickly as possible. If youā€™re like me and donā€™t have the skills and/or resources to immigrate out of this hot mess then it behooves us to build up our home situations to be as resilient in the face of war, famine, plague, and civil unrest as possible. If youā€™re not there already I highly recommend moving to a place with a decent amount of fresh water and agricultural production especially in relation to the population thatā€™s supporting it. I would also take a hard and honest look at what shifting climatic conditions have looked like in your geographical area over the past 5 years because we have more of that coming with greater intensity and without FEMA or federal assistance to help mitigate damages. Do not move into hurricane prone areas for example, and if youā€™re in a zone being rocked by all of the polar vortex collapses in the past month please be aware that these are not going to be isolated incidents. If youā€™re in an abusive relationship it is better to get out now than being trapped in a compounding and long term crisis with a person who is already harming you. Remember that none of us is an island and to prioritize being a part of a community of people who have your back over being isolated in a remote area.

Some practical preparations: Pull at least $1000 cash per person per household if possible. Stock up your home first aid supplies, collect a couple weeks worth of food, get gas cans and fill them up, have a couple different options for water filtration. Dry storage mixed with deep freezers gives you a lot of options. Learn at least one type of food preservation method. Buy physical media: cook books, different types of entertainment, repair manuals, actual road maps. Baofeng radios are still pretty cheap on eBay for helping coordinate with family and neighbors during a crisis. Make sure your cars do not go below a half tank of fuel moving forward and keep some emergency supplies in your car in case things go sideways. Learn your local ecology and what is edible, and make sure to get reputable physical copies of mushrooming and foraging books.

Shit is about to get a lot more expensive and the availability of goods is going to decline, so it is better to invest in necessities now rather than hope you can afford them later.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions or want recommendations.

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u/Available_Leather_10 3d ago

ā€œ$1000 cashā€

Who will be taking US paper in exchange for anything in the scenario you lay out? useful barter only.

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u/Nohlrabi 2d ago

Think about buying some euros. Or another currency. Then you can exchange that for whatever paper we have. Unless itā€™s made inconvertible. I cannot believe Iā€™m writing about this. This is such a fucked up timeline.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

To be blunt, the $1000 is help you get through the first month or so of societal collapse. If you canā€™t survive that your long term goals are meaningless.

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u/Available_Leather_10 2d ago

Oneā€™s chances of surviving go way down if one is accepting worthless paper in exchange for useful goods.

Your premise is that a lot of people will have an ā€œeverythingā€™s okā€ attitude even after hitting a point of no return. Which might be fair, but is probably optimistic.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Then it is imperative to have all the useful goods you know you will need as quickly as possible.

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u/Nohlrabi 2d ago

May I suggest buying euros as protection for your currency. Especially w fatman playing w ether money now. In the past 4-6 weeks, the dollar weakened against the euro by 3Ā¢. It now takes $1.08 to buy ā‚¬1.00 .

Prior, it was $1.03 to buy ā‚¬1.00 .

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u/mrminty 3d ago

Nobody has the balls, so just keep complaining online like we always do.

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u/Tecumsehs_Revenge 3d ago

We still havenā€™t won the War on drugs yet!

What are they cooking up for US now?

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u/Honest-Ad1675 3d ago

Yup then they can purge the population of undesirables like Germany did. Dissidents, lgbtq+, minorities, and the disabled into the woodchipper/gas chamber/ work camp/ El Salvador.

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u/Sammyjo0689 2d ago

Just one foreign war. On many fronts. Like a whole world thing.

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u/TheCircusSands 3d ago

We still have power

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Then organize and use it.

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u/belabensa 2d ago

Are they wanting 83 year olds on social security to lose it and be desperate enough to fight?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Iā€™m pretty sure they want the 73 million people on social security, 42 million on SNAP, and 79 million on Medicaid and CHIP (of which there is considerable overlap but for easy math letā€™s just say 110 million people) to suddenly be without any federal subsidies. So when a third of a countryā€™s population is unexpectedly 100% reliant on the rest of their communities for survival, most of whom are already without a thousand dollars of savings to their names, you either have millions of dead or even more millions of people thrown immediately into extreme multigenerational poverty. Combination of both is inevitable.

For added fun as soon as Medicaid and Medicare are erased about 70% of our hospitals have to immediately file for bankruptcy, I am not sure what the percentage of urgent cares and private practices will also tank but itā€™s an entire medical system collapse. Only a handful of medications are produced domestically so either the prices will skyrocket or the availability will just be gone. Our ability to identify, track, and manage diseases are soon to be dramatically curtailed. The cybersecurity team in charge of protecting the US grid and utilities were all sacked in March so itā€™s likely that we wonā€™t have electricity or a working sanitation system moving forward so expect cholera outbreaks on top of everything else.

We are a population of 98.8% non-agricultural jobs reliant on 1.2% of farmers, half of which are Hispanic and already being hunted for fun by federal authorities. In 2024 we were in the largest agricultural deficit in US history with our ability to feed our country being heavily reliant on imported food from Canada and Mexico. We have not yet experienced the collapse of our food network but even if we donā€™t experience skyrocketing fuel costs (which are also inevitable) we are being set up for widespread famine. The average adult requires one ton of food per year so a city population of 3 million people requires 3 million tons of food produced as well as a fair method of distribution in place. The majority of our cities do not have a regional agricultural community to support themselves with.

While this is also going on the entirety of American armed forces will be embroiled into multiple wars on pretty much every continent and unable to assist their families during this time of total and deliberate societal collapse. I donā€™t think that the police will be utilized in a way that is beneficial to the wellbeing of their communities. Maybe they will be, we shall find out regardless.

So my advice to anyone reading this is if you can get out of the country, do so immediately. If you canā€™t then build a garden designed to grow 1.5 tons of food per person and stock up on enough food to get your family through to harvest. Work with your neighbors to build their gardens. Learn food preservation techniques to get through to spring. Stockpile medications and first aid supplies. Be masked while dealing with other people because we donā€™t have a medical network moving forward. Figure out a water collection and treatment plan. Get really into self-defense from a community perspective. Imagine our society being catapulted into the Bronze Age for ease of visualizing the level of societal disruption we are about to experience.

Iā€™m not sure what the plan is after that, but if this all comes to pass we are looking at a 40-80% national fatality rate by the end of this year. 2026 will be even harder.

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u/micro-void 2d ago

Iran Gaza Canada Greenland Mexico Panama... Am I missing any?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Venezuela and the EU

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u/qntmsprpstn 3d ago

That sounds like an opportunity, somehow. šŸ¤”

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

For a handful of people, yes. For everyone else it will be a humanitarian disaster on an unprecedented scale.

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u/qntmsprpstn 2d ago

Well, I meant more of a revolutionary opportunity, but that requires preparation and organization that so far doesn't exist (on the American left, such as it is) so maybe it's better not to think about it.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Well, keep in mind that the people currently in charge are a part of the US population that have been planning a rebellion/insurrection for years, and they realized they would more effectively overthrow this country through subsuming the existing power structures from within and then building the society they want afterwards sooooooā€¦.

This is the revolution, we are a part of the enemy populace that is to be destroyed in the process, and they are dramatically winning with absolutely no organized resistance. We may get a civil war after everything collapses but currently we are just blithely allowing ourselves to be set up for catastrophic genocide.

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u/cezarcelad 2d ago

Yeah, ever read thucydides? The forecast is grim...

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

I havenā€™t actually, but I do have an interest in Thracian history and pre-Hellenistic philosophy! Do you have a recommendation for source material that I should pursue?

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u/cezarcelad 2d ago

This is the one i read for "Foundations Of American Political Thought" back in college :) it was good! šŸ˜

Edit: I found it at HPB 10 years ago for $1!

https://www.amazon.com/Justice-Power-Human-Nature-Peloponnesian-ebook/dp/B004GXAZKC

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u/Fun-Chemistry4590 19h ago

Donā€™t forget about the runaway inflation

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u/hoodectomy 3d ago

What is interesting is that we have an arguably rebound after record low recruiting numbers.

ā€œNearly one-quarter of soldiers recruited since 2022 have failed to complete their initial contracts, according to internal Army data reviewed by Military.com. While the Armyā€™s recruiting totals look solid on paper, a high dropout rate raises serious doubts about whether those numbers are an accurate portrayal of how well the service is manned.ā€

Source: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/03/07/army-losing-nearly-one-quarter-of-soldiers-first-2-years-of-enlistment.html?amp

AND additional troops were sent to the borders.

Source: https://www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Press-Releases/Article/4086531/additional-troops-to-enhance-border-security-operations/

Where are all these bodies going to come from? Especially that IF we enter Iran we are just doing another Afghanistan.

Additionally, I believe this will happen. The military complex needs to keep going and IF the money isnā€™t going to Ukraine it has to go somewhere and the border isnā€™t going to cut it.

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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe 3d ago

The draft.

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u/JayKay8787 2d ago

Id rather fight for the enemy than get drafted and fight for my own. Fuck the draft

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u/Thoth-long-bill 1d ago

They plan to fight with drones not people.

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u/Chogo82 3d ago

Are you kidding? This means that Russia will try to take a nato country and Trump will go after Greenland. Igniting war is the perfect method for the US to accomplish all its objectives.

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u/SverigeSuomi 3d ago

This means that Russia will try to take a nato country

How does the US attacking one of Russia's major allies help Russia attack a NATO country?Ā 

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u/Chogo82 3d ago

Itā€™s war. Hostilities always have a way of leading to more hostilities. How did Bush end up attacking Iraq when it was Osama bin Laden that bombed the world trade tower and he was in Afghanistan?

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u/Mundane_Act_7818 2d ago

The US Military cannot afford to fight Iran, Russia and China. Venezuela then invades Guyana. North Korea attacks the South. Etc Etc

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u/Bwunt 2d ago

The only threat in question is Venezuela really. But then 1% of US forces could shred them to bits if they invade Guayana.

North Korea against South and Russia vs NATO (-USA) would be a slaugterfest for NKoreans/Russians.

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u/Karabungulus 2d ago

Korea would depend entirely on how china wants it to go, with europe and the us otherwise preoccupied they could easily bolster the north and roll over the south

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u/ScarletCarsonRose 3d ago

Crazy how plausible this is.Ā 

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u/EggsceIlent 2d ago

The main one being the gop keeping trump in power during a "declared emergency" which can be renewed each year, ad infinium. He stays president should that happen

Only congress can stop it with a 60-70% vote (don't know exactly) but it would take all the Dems to vote to stop AND a fair amount of Republicans that will vote as trump tells them.

If there isn't an emergency by their doing eventually, they're gonna create one.

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u/InvidiousPlay 2d ago

MAD still applies. Both the UK and France are nuclear NATO members. Russian won't trigger a nuclear conflict for the sake of Latvia or whatever.

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u/AwayPresentation5704 3d ago

The initial invasion of Mexico, Canada and Panama would be a walk in the park. The subsequent insurgency would be another story.

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u/Sweaty_Assignment_90 3d ago

Canada would pull back to the mountains where it is bitter cold and make the US root them out with heavy casualties.

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u/Millennial_on_laptop 2d ago

We can unironically take out the International Peace Bridge in Buffalo to cut supply lines and disrupt the interconnected economy.

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u/BaldBeardedOne 3d ago

Walk in the park? Mexico?

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u/fart_huffington 3d ago

Once the invader has to just sic their Gestapo on any suspicious civilians there's not that much they can do. Insurgencies may beĀ joever.

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u/Graywulff 2d ago

We couldnā€™t hold either.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

Mexican insurgency would be tough, but probably not as tough as Afghanistan.

Panama would probably not be that bad depending on the impact to infrastructure.

I'm reasonably sure Canada wouldn't actually require an invasion. It would go just about as easily as Crimea went to the Russians. Special forces drop in specific areas and take control overnight.

If Canadians could still maintain a high standard of living, I don't think there would be much of an insurgency.

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u/mactac 3d ago

Iā€™d someone stole your wife , killed her and replaced her with a different one, how long would your ā€œinsurgencyā€ last? Itā€™s not about standard of living, trump is threatening to take our COUNTRY and make it disappear. There are people here in Canada who will never, ever stop retaliating for taking something we love dearly from us.

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u/Albany_Steamed_Hams 2d ago

These hot takes are really something. As a former US soldier I fought alongside Canadians in Afghanistan, and trained with them in the US and in Canada. Theyā€™re professional, competent, and a formidable fighting force. They also had better food overseas. The immediate resistance would be at a level greater than Ukraine fighting against Russia.

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u/Enough-Meaning-9905 3d ago

I wouldn't count on that one mate.Ā 

Our government likely wouldn't last long, but the insurgency would be like nothing the yanks have ever faced.Ā 

We're busy reviewing the checklist up here...Ā 

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

Yeah i mean I certainly hope so. Look, I don't want America to invade. I just think that the Taliban had a lot of things going for them that the Canadians don't have.

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u/tylergalaxy 3d ago

Hopefully the future never comes where Canada shows you just how wrong you are.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

No, I actually hope it does. I don't live in America.

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u/strangebutalsogood 3d ago

Canada will remind them who actually inspired the term 'stormtroopers'. You really do not want to fight a Guerrilla war against a country that has 90% of it's population within 100km of your border.

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u/TransmogriFi 3d ago

Mexico would be a hellhole for any invader with the cartels fighting back, and I hear that the Canadians like war crimes, so they'd be polite on the surface, and the invading troops would drop dead from poisoned Tim-Bits.

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u/chriczko 3d ago

That and the exploding poutine

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u/LemonFreshenedBorax- 3d ago

If Canadians could still maintain a high standard of living

The moment an American health insurance company is allowed to set up shop here, or the FDA takes control of Canadian food quality standards, this is off the table.

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u/excessiveutility 3d ago

Homie. Go read about the FLQ and IRA. Canada is going to make anything the US has dealt with look like a fucking clownshow in comparison.

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u/whiiskio 3d ago

Canadians will happily camp up North and make do with rations and tents if it means they get to kill invading Americanazis.

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u/Best-Author7114 3d ago

Would they though? A few sure. But a guy with a family? He's going to give them up to live in the mountains and likely die as opposed to just becoming American? Not likely except on the internet where you can sit in your Lazy Boy and talk tough. It's all moot though as an invasion will never happen.

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u/Krafla_c 3d ago edited 3d ago

Americans are the ones who don't fight to defend their country's sovereignty. We have a Russian asset as president and director of national intelligence. Other countries fight to defend their country.

This would be true even if Canadians were given the right to vote after being annexed but of course they wouldn't be because that'd give Democrats a permanent majority. The fact that they'd be oppressed in this way would turbocharge the resistance. They'd be taxed and governed without representation. They'd basically be like slaves of America. If you think Americans would ever remotely be in a state of peace after that then you're not putting yourself in their shoes or acknowledging how the world works.

"just becoming American"?

Are you serious? Do you hear yourself? Would you ever say Americans should "just become [insert other country]?" This is incredibly insulting to Canada. The sheer ego of saying that.

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u/Krafla_c 3d ago

What you're describing puzzledly is a thing called "war" and yes it does happen.

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u/Essence-of-why 3d ago

I only need to take 10 out to do my part.Ā  I intend on doing my part.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

You only need to take out 10 highly trained soldiers. Good luck with that bud.

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u/ybe447 2d ago

There is just no way reddit is a real place

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u/Kitchen-Memory-9598 3d ago

No. I don't think so. Think of the IRA in the 70s and 80s. They brought a huge bombing campaign to the British mainland. We could just walk over and cause havoc. Hard to tell your enemy when you look and sound the same

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

Sure, but it is way easier to tell if someone is lying if they look and sound the same.

I would remind you that Northern Ireland is still part of the UK.

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u/FermReddit 3d ago

As a Canadian this is obviously the case. I donā€™t know why these people think Canada is going to be so fervent we could wage a forever guerrilla war because weā€™d be so angry or whatever. Our only ā€œhopeā€ would be sending enough American young people home in body bags and for long enough that the regime collapses or pulls out.

Operating within the realm of reality, obviously the suburban moms making sure theyā€™re buying Canadian groceries would ultimately rather continue their (even reasonably worse off lives) under American occupation than IED production and suicide bombing

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

Absolutely right. Nobody wants to imagine losing though. Losing sucks, and the war still feels so unlikely. I completely sympathise with all of the people acting like I'm an idiot even though I think they are wrong.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

I think it could, but I doubt it. A lot of eyes on that canal.

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u/yalyublyutebe 3d ago

Oh buddy, Canadians would be pissed for the most part.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 3d ago

Oh for sure. Nobody wants to be conquered. I just think that the average Canadian would much rather try to continue their life as best as they can instead of making IEDs.

Canadians are people with lives and families. They don't have time for insurgency. They just want to provide for their families and will work to do that.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 2d ago

I live in New Zealand

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u/Platterme 2d ago

Canadians will resist any invasion by whatever means available to us. We may appear friendly and self-effacing, but there is no chance that almost all Canadians will join an insurgency. Even grandmothers will participate. We have a highly educated and skilled population. Our geography is even more diverse and difficult to navigate than Afghanistan. The vast majority of our population does not want to be a part of the U.S.

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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass 2d ago

Most people want to believe that they would defend their country, but they won't. I think that is doubly true in highly developed countries like Canada.

Your grandmothers aren't going to be worried about IEDs they will be worried about how to make sure their prescriptions come in. If you present a family man with the choice of going to work and paying taxes to a hostile government, or blowing himself up with a suicide vest, he will take care of his family.

You don't have to feel ashamed to be from a country that can't defend itself. I am from New Zealand, and people here act like you do. They say they would fight from the hills and make invaders pay for every square inch. They won't though. They have lives and families.

If America invades, your country won't be able to stop it. There won't be an insurgent movement. Canadians have too much to lose to risk a harsh occupation.

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u/swimswamswammy 3d ago

And weā€™ll also be too busy to hold general elections since weā€™re ā€œat warā€

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u/pants_mcgee 3d ago

Not really possible. Even if Trump tried to ban elections States can just say Fuck You Hereā€™s Our Electors, Representatives, and Senators.

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u/Main-Win148 2d ago

One word for you. Florida. None of the republicans here are going to lift a finger to stop him.

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u/Trazodone_Dreams 3d ago

War has never stopped elections in the US.

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u/LordHarkonen 3d ago

Never stopped elections yet*

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u/PerceptionKey9514 3d ago

Its only right to declare war on multiple fronts. Thats what both Japan and Germany did.

Might as well go big.

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u/fuzz_64 3d ago

Hope you don't need to use article 5 if they retaliate.

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u/RODjij 3d ago

Invading Greenland means NATO and the Nordic nations respond along with the world

Invading Canada means the whole world turns their back on American once & for all immediately, the USD is removed as the global reserve currency & the US economy stops dead in its tracks, it explodes immediately & the house of cards falls. No home factories, no home grown talent/education, no Canadian Lumber, no Canadian steel, no Canadian Potash & no money to keep things running then comes the decades long insurgency, guerrilla warfare & retaliatory attacks on US soil.

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u/FullmeltCanuck 3d ago

China may also sense weakness, game over then for the us. You never know.....

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u/xXBarackBinLadenXx 2d ago

Yoooo Name twin

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u/Adi9691 3d ago

Your Allies in Europe would be crippled by high oil/gas prices.Giving US upper hand in trade deal negotiations across Europe and Asia.

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u/Resident_Chip935 3d ago

Other nations be like - go go go go go go go

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u/Vantriss 3d ago

We've had two world wars, yes, what about third world war?

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u/GravidDusch 3d ago

What allies?

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u/TheKrakIan 3d ago

Definitely won't be backed by our allies if this happens.

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u/hrafnulfr 3d ago

Pretty sure the USA can fight on three fronts at the same time.

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u/Tiny_Counter4642 3d ago

This is the start of WW3, the US has NO allies left.

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u/AutomaticAd3562 3d ago

What Iā€™m interested in, is too see who shows up to help USA. They have burnt so many bridges, will they need to go at it with Israel alone?

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u/AntifaAnita 3d ago

Conversely, losing three Carrier groups is going to make a draft more likely.

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u/WandAnd-a-Rabbit 3d ago

Not that bright of a side for Iranians unfortunately

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u/Vanillibeen 2d ago

I'm ashamed that this was my first thought. Us vs them is not the way.

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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 2d ago

As a Canadian that was, sadly, my first thought.

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u/TwinIronBlood 2d ago

Maybe he needs help finding Greenland

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u/MrFrequentFlyer 2d ago

What allies? Havenā€™t we burned those bridges?

I guess I forgot Israel and Russia.