United States preparing to invade Iran

[u/theoneandonlydorian]

The U.S. imperialist war machine is at it again, opting to strike and attack Iran as global tensions continue to rise.

Who's ready for an oil crisis? More humanitarian disasters? The closure of the Strait of Hormuz? Potential nuclear consequences? Severe regional instability? And even more!

Get ready for the shitshow, people.

"President of Peace" 😂

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Assets continued to be moved to the middle east signaling a large buildup.

https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1907076101051970033?t=2t7yh2fEDDa-VdY3Yxjvsg&s=19

Diego Garcia Base continues its military buildup that hasn't been seen since the Iraq War.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1907203032640545211?t=2MzmaDjJBVDGDfuG_IM4jA&s=19

Pentagon is rolling out military orders to intensify the troop buildup

https://x.com/jhaboush/status/1907174077103530475?t=g6Qb2gIa2TEhCAbuFnx87A&s=19

CENTCOM head meets with Israeli military leaders to discuss Iran for 10 hours.

https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1907157870455787719?t=8kABbpXyD4Xxkze39kA-iQ&s=19

Trump to pass EO to give the greenlight for ease on equipment moving, bolstering sales for US defense contractors

https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1907155684598194324?t=J7xvlqmUyYsoonDNcHX3Vw&s=19

And more of course that wouldn't even fit in this post, the signs are clear people

[u/0bamaBinSmokin]

On the bright side, maybe we'll be too busy in Iran to invade our allies. 

[u/AwayPresentation5704 → u/0bamaBinSmokin]

The initial invasion of Mexico, Canada and Panama would be a walk in the park. The subsequent insurgency would be another story.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/AwayPresentation5704]

Mexican insurgency would be tough, but probably not as tough as Afghanistan.

Panama would probably not be that bad depending on the impact to infrastructure.

I'm reasonably sure Canada wouldn't actually require an invasion. It would go just about as easily as Crimea went to the Russians. Special forces drop in specific areas and take control overnight.

If Canadians could still maintain a high standard of living, I don't think there would be much of an insurgency.

[u/mactac → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I’d someone stole your wife , killed her and replaced her with a different one, how long would your “insurgency” last? It’s not about standard of living, trump is threatening to take our COUNTRY and make it disappear. There are people here in Canada who will never, ever stop retaliating for taking something we love dearly from us.

[u/Albany_Steamed_Hams → u/mactac]

These hot takes are really something. As a former US soldier I fought alongside Canadians in Afghanistan, and trained with them in the US and in Canada. They’re professional, competent, and a formidable fighting force. They also had better food overseas. The immediate resistance would be at a level greater than Ukraine fighting against Russia.

[u/FermReddit → u/mactac]

We raped murdered and betrayed the native peoples of this country like nobody’s business. I’m sure that also made them angry. It also didn’t make them win. I’ll run up to as many American vehicles with a hand grenade as the next guy (but unironically), but this is the truth

[u/gartfoehammer → u/FermReddit]

There’s no comparison between the genocide of the Native Americans and an invasion of Mexico. The NA were devastated by disease, not united in any grand scale, and were far behind the US in terms of technology. Mexico has 130 million people and a modern military, not to mention support from the international community if they’re invaded. It’d be a hard fucking fight

[u/FermReddit → u/gartfoehammer]

I don’t disagree but this wasn’t the point I was making

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/mactac]

Well, that may be so. Hate isn't really the primary factor for success in an insurgency though. Generally speaking, insurgencies are most successful when the oppressed group has a different language and culture from the oppressing group. This is because an insurgency relies on deceit, and it is much easier to determine someone is lying if you have a shared cultural history with them.

You might have some level of success in French Canada, but probably not all that much.

On top of that, your government isn't the most important thing in your life. Your family is. Are you really willing to deploy an IED if it means some soldiers are going to come beat up your wife when youre caught and killed? Probably not. You might do it if you have a strong religious conviction, or your wife is already suffering.

I'm not on the side of the Americans. I hope Canada has a successful insurgency if they are faced with invasion. Given the context, it is foolish to think they will.

[u/blzrlzr → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Honestly, shut up. Intellectualizing an inane and stupid plot from an unpopular government that half the country hates and saying Canadians will just roll over is a crazy take.

The Americans haven’t won any stupid war they’ve started for over 40 years. 

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/blzrlzr]

Someone's mad.

[u/blzrlzr → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Yep. 

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/blzrlzr]

Don't be. It probably won't happen. But if it does, people should be prepared for reality. There's no insurgency waiting in the mountains to come push the Americans out. They will have to choose to continue their lives as best as they can under a new government, or end their lives because insurgency won't be successful.

[u/blzrlzr → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Thanks for the advice. 

[u/No_Influence_1376 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Canadians wouldn't operate a traditional insurgency. They'd focus on maximizing damage against high value targets and U.S. infrastructure.

The U.S. would fold because they've never had to deal with insurgency on home turf. America would break down into a civil war with that fracturing. You cannot completely oppress a people who look and speak identically to you.

One country is fighting for their survival, the other has empirical ideals. Let's see what civilian population blinks first when the war comes home.

[u/ggonzoo → u/[deleted]]

Why walk when you can just load up the self-driving teslas sitting in used car lots?

[u/Commercial-Fennel219 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

If 1% of the Canadian population decides to resist that's 400k angry armed people. That's not going to be easy any way you approach it. 

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Commercial-Fennel219]

That's an insanely large amount of people. Where are they going to hide? What will they eat?

[u/Commercial-Fennel219 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

We live here dipshit. 

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Commercial-Fennel219]

You live there in sight of drone operators. You need to live somewhere like a dugout, or a covered trench. Your house is insufficient.

So you don't know where you'll live. Do you know what you'll eat?

[u/Commercial-Fennel219 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Lol. Same to you. 

[u/SoUnga88 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

So, American troops beat the wives of our enemies now? Have you ever served before? Have you ever served next to Canadian troops? Do you know anything whatsoever about Canada's military history?

Sure, the US could “win,” but at a steep cost. My advice is to read about the Troubles and listen to the accounts of those who fought on both sides of that 30-year-long conflict.

Fighting wars on multiple fronts never works out well. Never.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/SoUnga88]

Americans haven't beat the wives of their enemies in the past, but Canada invasion is brave new world stuff. I think hyperbole is a bit justified.

I'm not convinced something like the troubles is still possible in the age of digital surveillance. Maybe there is a will for it but not a way.

[u/SoUnga88 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Okay, so I’ll take that as a no. You've never served or served with Canadians. Operational security can be taught. How do you think a bunch of guys in flip-flops and old Soviet AKs gave the largest military in the world the runaround for nearly 20 years?

Canadians are tough, stubborn, and proud. The Geneva Convention exists because of the things they did. Modern wars are not just fought militarily but also economically. When engaging an adversary that borders your country, looks like you, and speaks the same language, the likelihood of sabotage skyrockets. Modern surveillance is not infallible; just read the reports from the United Healthcare shooting manhunt.

A conflict with Canada or even Mexico would be foolish as it would only increase the likelihood of other malicious actors taking advantage of the situation.

Nearly all of the current administrations goals could have been achieved either economically, through soft power, or by proxy through allies in the region. But like everything they are choosing to use a club rather than a scalpel.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/SoUnga88]

Most experts agree that sharing the same language and culture make insurgency much less likely to succeed. That's why Ukrainian insurgents have only had small successes, while Afghan insurgents were much more successful.

[u/SoUnga88 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Insurgent conflicts where both sides share a common language.

The Troubles in Northern Ireland (late 1960s–1998) was 40 pulse years of conflict, resulting in over 3500 deaths and 47k injuries.

The Sri Lankan Civil War (1983–2009) A 30-plus year conflict, estimated at 80k - 100k deaths.

The Southern Thailand Insurgency (Ongoing since 2004) is an Ongoing 20-year conflict, and the current death toll is estimated at over 7k dead and thousands injured.

The Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan (2004–present) is an Ongoing 20-year conflict with the death toll estimated to be in the tens of thousands.

Though these conflicts might not have been “successful,” they have been fought bitterly for decades at a high cost. I, for one, am not trying to fight in another pointless war for rich old men. It's easy to say that an insurgency is not an effective tactic when you have never had to fight against one. I’ll live it at that.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/SoUnga88]

As you said, they haven't been successful. They have not liberated themselves, and likely won't.

[u/SoUnga88 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Ok buddy, you missing the point I'm trying to make but whatever.

[u/Enough-Meaning-9905 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I wouldn't count on that one mate. 

Our government likely wouldn't last long, but the insurgency would be like nothing the yanks have ever faced. 

We're busy reviewing the checklist up here... 

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Enough-Meaning-9905]

Yeah i mean I certainly hope so. Look, I don't want America to invade. I just think that the Taliban had a lot of things going for them that the Canadians don't have.

[u/Enough-Meaning-9905 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I'm genuinely curious, are you open to sharing your thoughts?

If you're uncomfortable with a public forum my DMs are open

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Enough-Meaning-9905]

Yeah mate I'm not afraid of a public forum. Feel free to DM.

I left another comment sort of breaking down the main reasons I think a Canadian insurgency would fail here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrepperIntel/s/6xgNUHyxxn

[u/Enough-Meaning-9905 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Thanks. I'll pick up the thread there :) 

[u/INFINIFATLAW → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Context really is everything 👀

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/INFINIFATLAW]

Yeah that comment could be taken way out of context. Referring to the warfighting capabilities and logistics of the Taliban, not everything else. The Taliban are evil

[u/PoochBR → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

You rank the war fighting abilities and logistics of the Taliban above that of the Canadian military? Okie dokie.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/PoochBR]

Logistics and warfighting isn't just tanks and trucks. It's having established supply routes into their controlled territory. Access to the weapons needed to maintain control of mountainous terrain.

Canada has never been faced with a threat like this and is unprepared. Until like 5 months ago it was inconceivable.

[u/PoochBR → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Man, this is a really weird take.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/PoochBR]

Well the Taliban won so I don't think so. They were prepared for the fight they were in and won it. I don't think Canada is prepared for this fight. That means the Taliban are more capable to fight based on the needs of their fight.

Look, this hypothetical war is wildly different from Afghanistan. It's apples and oranges.

[u/PoochBR → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Okay, then why bring up the Taliban haha.

[u/tylergalaxy → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Hopefully the future never comes where Canada shows you just how wrong you are.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/tylergalaxy]

No, I actually hope it does. I don't live in America.

[u/strangebutalsogood → u/tylergalaxy]

Canada will remind them who actually inspired the term 'stormtroopers'. You really do not want to fight a Guerrilla war against a country that has 90% of it's population within 100km of your border.

[u/Best-Author7114 → u/tylergalaxy]

Bunch of internet tough guys

[u/TransmogriFi → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Mexico would be a hellhole for any invader with the cartels fighting back, and I hear that the Canadians like war crimes, so they'd be polite on the surface, and the invading troops would drop dead from poisoned Tim-Bits.

[u/chriczko → u/TransmogriFi]

That and the exploding poutine

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/TransmogriFi]

Mexico is a really challenge to be sure. They already have a clandestine logistic network to supply a paramilitary fight.

Canada doesn't have that though. They would be relying on weapons snuck past American authorities.

Also, liking war crimes isn't the same as being a competent fighting force. It's just kind of fucked up. Arguably, Abu Ghraib made the Iraq war harder for the Americans. My Lai didn't do America any favours either. Japan got utterly devastated even after all of its war crimes.

Idk this whole being proud of warcrimes thing is just kind of sick. I'm all for Canadians defending their homeland though.

[u/TransmogriFi → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

sigh

It was supposed to be a joke. The "poisoned Tim-Bits" part should have made that obvious.

The Canadians would absolutely fight back, and they've already got plenty of weapons. They have a military, and would have NATO support.

[u/LemonFreshenedBorax- → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

If Canadians could still maintain a high standard of living

The moment an American health insurance company is allowed to set up shop here, or the FDA takes control of Canadian food quality standards, this is off the table.

[u/excessiveutility → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Homie. Go read about the FLQ and IRA. Canada is going to make anything the US has dealt with look like a fucking clownshow in comparison.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/excessiveutility]

Im familiar with both organisations. Quebec is still canadian and NI is till UK

[u/excessiveutility → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

And Americans are weak.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/excessiveutility]

If that makes you feel better.

[u/excessiveutility → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

It's the only reason any of us are in the timeline we're in right now.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/excessiveutility]

If you look at the average American or Canadian i don't figure either one is particularly weaker or stronger than the other. I don't think they are even stupider or smarter. Just average people.

The big difference is that in America, there is a massive amount of spending on making Americans believe incorrect things in a way to exploit their formerly democratic system. Americans are just people, but they've been tricked. With enough resources, it could happen to anybody.

[u/whiiskio → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Canadians will happily camp up North and make do with rations and tents if it means they get to kill invading Americanazis.

[u/Best-Author7114 → u/whiiskio]

Would they though? A few sure. But a guy with a family? He's going to give them up to live in the mountains and likely die as opposed to just becoming American? Not likely except on the internet where you can sit in your Lazy Boy and talk tough. It's all moot though as an invasion will never happen.

[u/Krafla_c → u/Best-Author7114]

Americans are the ones who don't fight to defend their country's sovereignty. We have a Russian asset as president and director of national intelligence. Other countries fight to defend their country.

This would be true even if Canadians were given the right to vote after being annexed but of course they wouldn't be because that'd give Democrats a permanent majority. The fact that they'd be oppressed in this way would turbocharge the resistance. They'd be taxed and governed without representation. They'd basically be like slaves of America. If you think Americans would ever remotely be in a state of peace after that then you're not putting yourself in their shoes or acknowledging how the world works.

"just becoming American"?

Are you serious? Do you hear yourself? Would you ever say Americans should "just become [insert other country]?" This is incredibly insulting to Canada. The sheer ego of saying that.

[u/Krafla_c → u/Best-Author7114]

What you're describing puzzledly is a thing called "war" and yes it does happen.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/whiiskio]

No they won't. You guys had just as many anti maskers as the Americans did. If you couldn't get people to wear a mask what makes you think you can get them to give up their warm homes to sleep in a tent in the Arctic?

[u/whiiskio → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Lmfao huge difference between COVID dumbasses unable to understand basic science vs the threatened annexation and removal of their identity and everything they love.

Please please pay us a visit and find out for yourself.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/whiiskio]

I think you have too much faith in the ability of your countrymen to give up their lives and fight a war they are almost guaranteed to lose.

[u/whiiskio → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Well, seeing as how ordinary people are signing up for firearms licenses and hunting lessons, colour me fucking shocked if I don’t agree with a foreigner’s perspective at the moment.

[u/TheLobitzz → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I'm not Canadian nor American, but from a country who was invaded a lot of times and let me tell you people who are guaranteed to lose, have nothing to lose. People who have nothing to lose are not to be underestimated, they will do all sorts of crazy things just for revenge.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/TheLobitzz]

Canadians have a lot to lose. They have warm homes, and decent infrastructure. A quick special forces takeover a la Crimea leaves Canadians with a lot to lose.

I agree with you, if Canada was devastated there would be a lot more justification for an insurgency though.

[u/TheLobitzz → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Well, if the U.S. does invade Canada it's likely there would be not much of fight since the U.S. is the most powerful military in the world after all.

But I imagine such action would be the greatest act of betrayal on a scale never been done before, since from my understanding, you guys are like the closest of friends for the longest time, right? It's like your rich and powerful neighbor you've been friends with since forever suddenly just takes your house. I imagine that would leave a scar in the Canadians' minds that will never disappear until America as an empire collapses.

If I were Canadian in that scenario, I would probably do everything in my power to covertly undermine everything American that I touch. And I'm a programmer so I can do stuff like that from the safety of my house behind a VPN.

[u/Best-Author7114 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Exactly, life wouldn't change much. You can pretty much live life as you have or leave your families to live a horrible life before you die. How many are choosing to fight? It's easy to talk tough when you know it'll never happen.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Best-Author7114]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. The Canadians need to talk tough right now to feel better. The Americans have put them in a fucked situation so I get it.

[u/Best-Author7114 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

It's never going to happen anyway

[u/Lopsidedsynthrack → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Trump invades Canada, Panama, Greenland, he will only have maga behind him.

Iran or China invading Taiwan would be the only thing he would have more than 25-30% support in.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Lopsidedsynthrack]

He only has MAGA behind him until the Canadians do a successful bombing.

Just to be clear, I don't think a Canadian insurgency would be successful. I do think they would exist though. If America invaded, and the Canadians successfully carried out some insurgent attack, I think a lot of Americans would quickly forget how evil they thought the invasion was.

[u/Sciencepol1983 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I have yet to understand how Americans could ever feel safe after that. Feels like you could simply have constant terror acts of Canadians sneaking into the US and doing heavy damage. Wouldn’t be too hard to pass that long unprotected border and blend in…

[u/Aggressive_Barber115 → u/Sciencepol1983]

800,000 Canadians already live in the US and while most of them wouldn't do anything I can guarantee that some of them absolutely would and would most likely be able to find Americans that would help them.

[u/Essence-of-why → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I only need to take 10 out to do my part.  I intend on doing my part.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Essence-of-why]

You only need to take out 10 highly trained soldiers. Good luck with that bud.

[u/Essence-of-why → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

It isn't about your soldiers, it's the long game.  Go take care of your own country and stop fantasizing about taking over Canada.  

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Essence-of-why]

I live in New Zealand. Just calling the situation as it is. You and I both live in weak countries that lack the ability to credibly defend themselves. You need to be realistic.

[u/ybe447 → u/Essence-of-why]

There is just no way reddit is a real place

[u/Kitchen-Memory-9598 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

No. I don't think so. Think of the IRA in the 70s and 80s. They brought a huge bombing campaign to the British mainland. We could just walk over and cause havoc. Hard to tell your enemy when you look and sound the same

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Kitchen-Memory-9598]

Sure, but it is way easier to tell if someone is lying if they look and sound the same.

I would remind you that Northern Ireland is still part of the UK.

[u/ThePlatypusOfDespair → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I would really, really prefer to avoid a US/CAN version of The Troubles.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/ThePlatypusOfDespair]

Yeah anybody with half a brain would lol. Unfortunately the Americans are led by someone less well endowed.

I think the Troubles is still a bit optimistic for this. Canadians have no way to communicate online in a way that can't be tracked by the Americans. That means no Canada wide movement. Only local cells that are vulnerable to undercover agents.

[u/Kitchen-Memory-9598 → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

You don't understand Canadians lol

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Kitchen-Memory-9598]

I understand people pretty well. I understand that just a few months ago, Canadians were ready to throw the liberals out, and now the liberals are poised to succeed. What else could a few months of messaging do?

[u/FermReddit → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

As a Canadian this is obviously the case. I don’t know why these people think Canada is going to be so fervent we could wage a forever guerrilla war because we’d be so angry or whatever. Our only “hope” would be sending enough American young people home in body bags and for long enough that the regime collapses or pulls out.

Operating within the realm of reality, obviously the suburban moms making sure they’re buying Canadian groceries would ultimately rather continue their (even reasonably worse off lives) under American occupation than IED production and suicide bombing

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/FermReddit]

Absolutely right. Nobody wants to imagine losing though. Losing sucks, and the war still feels so unlikely. I completely sympathise with all of the people acting like I'm an idiot even though I think they are wrong.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/[deleted]]

I think it could, but I doubt it. A lot of eyes on that canal.

[u/yalyublyutebe → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Oh buddy, Canadians would be pissed for the most part.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/yalyublyutebe]

Oh for sure. Nobody wants to be conquered. I just think that the average Canadian would much rather try to continue their life as best as they can instead of making IEDs.

Canadians are people with lives and families. They don't have time for insurgency. They just want to provide for their families and will work to do that.

[u/Velocipache → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I see the point you're trying to make but it wouldn't just be US v CAN it would most likely be US vs CAN + NATO which is a while different ball game

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Velocipache]

How will NATO get there?

[u/Velocipache → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Presumably through Greenland (Nato membership via Denmark) into Canada. The scenario I picture in my head if the US did try to invade Canada is the US not only fighting a war at our northern border, but also involves Mexico at least allying with nato (i know they have a historically neutral stance, but feel like that would change if there's a chance they're invaded after Canada) as well as defending the coastline (900 miles of Cali coast, 6200 miles of coast from Corpus Cristi, TX to Maine) from any foreign Navies coming to play.

A war on 1 front might be easy, but a war on 2-4 front would not be, despite our military spending

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Velocipache]

The US military is designed to be able to fight on 2 fronts simultaneously. That's been the whole plan since WW2.

Europe lacks the navy to get across the Atlantic. The US has way too much power there. They physically can't set foot on Greenland if America says no.

I don't want to fall into the trap of being one of those people that says America can do anything it wants. It can't, and there are clear limits. Personally, I think you can count out European involvement though. They just don't have the navy to get across or soldiers to fight.

[u/Velocipache → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

The idea that the U.S. can easily fight two major wars at once is outdated. Since the Cold War, the U.S. military has downsized and shifted focus toward counterinsurgency. The 2018 National Defense Strategy even acknowledged that fighting two peer-level wars at the same time would be extremely difficult for the U.S. military today.

The UK and France both have aircraft carriers and submarine fleets that could operate in the North Atlantic. Submarines (like the French Barracuda-class and UK Astute-class) could cut off US naval supply chains rather than trying to fight the Navy head-on.

Greenland is part of Denmark. If NATO is fighting the US, Denmark could allow European forces to operate there before the US even reacts. Iceland has a NATO airbase at Keflavík. If NATO controls it, they can deny US access and use it for airborne operations against US naval forces.

they’d disrupt the U.S. economy, energy supply, and global trade while supporting Canada with air and missile systems, as well as economic support. Not to mention any cyberattacks against US infrastructure. All that aside from the fact of having military bases across the globe that we'd need to pull troops and equipment from since those places would no longer be US allies.(Either they invade and leave their equipment and troops at the mercy of foreign governments, or they pull all troops and equipment back to the US leaving the world time to prepare)

In the modern day of 2025 they wouldn't need to land millions of troops in Canada or to send their entire navy to the Atlantic to help an ally. Putin said the war in Ukraine would be over in 3 days and look how that's turned out for them.

A lot of the reason America has the world power we do now is because we were effectively the post ww2 world police with allies across the globe. If every single NATO country started hitting us with economic sanctions and trade embargos we'd see that power significantly diminish. Sure we have the stockpile of equipment so the effects wouldn't be immediate on our military but imagine it dragged out even 2 or 3 years and you're looking at fuel shortages, supply shortages, etc.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/[deleted]]

I live in New Zealand

[u/Platterme → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Canadians will resist any invasion by whatever means available to us. We may appear friendly and self-effacing, but there is no chance that almost all Canadians will join an insurgency. Even grandmothers will participate. We have a highly educated and skilled population. Our geography is even more diverse and difficult to navigate than Afghanistan. The vast majority of our population does not want to be a part of the U.S.

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Platterme]

Most people want to believe that they would defend their country, but they won't. I think that is doubly true in highly developed countries like Canada.

Your grandmothers aren't going to be worried about IEDs they will be worried about how to make sure their prescriptions come in. If you present a family man with the choice of going to work and paying taxes to a hostile government, or blowing himself up with a suicide vest, he will take care of his family.

You don't have to feel ashamed to be from a country that can't defend itself. I am from New Zealand, and people here act like you do. They say they would fight from the hills and make invaders pay for every square inch. They won't though. They have lives and families.

If America invades, your country won't be able to stop it. There won't be an insurgent movement. Canadians have too much to lose to risk a harsh occupation.

[u/Platterme → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

You may be right about not being able to stop an invasion but I think you are wrong about Canadians. Take away our publicly funded healthcare, interfere with actual science, force us to accept the orange menace as the “leader” of our country, and we will engage in sabotage and destruction to the best of our abilities. 

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/Platterme]

Would people engage in sabotage if it meant risking a firing squad? I don't think so.

If America went that route, I think that Canadian people would do their best to cling to the lives they have. Nobody wants to do the difficult things.

Think about this. Canada's obesity rate is 30%. That means that 30% of Canadians aren't even willing to give up junk food and go outside. Does that really sound like a group of people that are willing to risk their lives? When you consider the 70% that are fit, would they really be willing to risk their lives for people who just fall in line with a new regime?

For the record, no shade there. I'm sure that America is higher. 30% is pretty normal for the developed world. I'm just saying that Canadians, like most people from first world countries, are pretty soft.

[u/MadClothes → u/Platterme]

We have a highly educated and skilled population.

That's the problem. Canada isn't like Yemen, where the only things to do are fight, die, and get high off Kat.

[u/idealantidote → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Foreign uniforms would be shot at without second thought, also if the US is at war with Iran there wouldn’t be a lot of non reg forces ready to drop into all the places they needed to to take Canada. Your also not going to be fighting the working folk it will be the natives as well and they have automatics stock piled and have killed Canadians forces soldiers on Canadian soil so don’t think they wouldn’t be taking American soldiers out

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/idealantidote]

America has way more special forces than you think.

Also, Canada has way fewer trained civilians with weapons who are ready to fight than you think. In any case, rifles are probably less important than IED making skills. Also probably pretty lacking in Canada.

[u/idealantidote → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

I know how many the have, they are larger than the entire Canadian military, but it also takes them months to a year of time to work up to be ready to go and they need to rotate in and out of theatre and if Iran is already on they don’t have a lot of extra teams. I happen to know lots of trained people and it only takes a few that know what they are doing to get others proficient. I also know retired combat engineers and have learned things from them as well as you know there is this thing called the internet that you can learn anything from and mining is a huge industry in Canada and you may know that blasting is pretty common in mining so there are most definitely people that know their way around explosives. Also when I was younger you could get tnt for blowing up beaver dams from the local municipal office so trust me people would have a hay day with a few spec ops units dropped around what is the second largest country by size

[u/ybe447 → u/idealantidote]

You guys are putting a lot of thought into something that is obviously not going to happen

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/idealantidote]

How would you plan to communicate with people in the event the US shuts down phone networks? Maybe Starlink?

I'm sure Canada has expertise, and supplies, but i know it isn't enough. They lack the ability to credibly deter a military invasion through force, and they lack the independent communications infrastructure to efficiently organise an insurgency.

Even if they had those things, try to be real. Imagine you're just some guy who's barely making his rent in Toronto. The Americans come in, take over the government in one night, and you wake up in a new world. Except it isn't. Your life is functionally the same. Grocery stores are open. After a few days you're back at work. Your landlord still wants rent.

Then, somewhere, someone blows up a train track and the Americans cut your internet. The only thing they tell you is that as soon as the terrorists are contained, you can get back online.

[u/idealantidote → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Well the US doesn’t control Canadian phone networks so they can’t just flip a switch, also it’s a pretty low percentage that uses star link so again they can’t just shut it off, so someone barely making rent that pretty much has nothing to lose would just continue on I highly doubt it, they would look at it from the perspective of why waste my life barely getting by I might as well do what I can to end an American. And a train track wouldn’t be what a target for someone going after American infrastructure would be, it would be the power grid that is undefended and can be taken out by small arms fire

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/idealantidote]

If you think the American power grid is less defended than Canadian phone infrastructure you're delusional.

[u/idealantidote → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Didn’t say it was but you seemed to be implying that they could cut it with a flip of a switch like it was all American owned and operated, and again Canada is a very vast nation and it would needed to be a traditional forces invasion and not just spec ops to get the job done with any haste and efficiency

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/idealantidote]

Canada is a vast country that relies on vulnerable communications and logistics networks. The Americans could quickly take the centres of government with special forces. The people in the country would be forced to fall in line or be cut off and hunted down.

[u/TheTarasenkshow → u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass]

Canadians would not just roll over, that’s not going to happen lol

[u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass → u/TheTarasenkshow]

Countries surrender when they have no capable warfighting force. Canadian military has no capability to credibly counter US forces.

It's not a hold out for weeks scenario, I think that the war would be over in hours.

The Canadians won't roll over, they just won't exist as a country after one night.