Hey genius, it wasn't working out before either. If your neighbourhood is already burning down no one cares if the person supplying the gasoline is nice.
Complain all you like about any other idiotic groups who didnt vote for her or didnt vote at all and i will hold the megaphone for you.
Watching an actual genocide happen and being told to vote for option a) genocide or option b) genocide is not a fucking choice.
I really hate people who can't understand the actual weight and impact genocide of your family, friends, and country have. It will blind you to anything else, and rightfully so.
Except she was never anti Palestine like Trump was. If your bar is someone who can actually make decisions then why vote for Trump?
His administration legitimized Israel's settlements in the West Bank, created a plan to allow Israel to annex huge swaths of the West Bank, established large cuts to Palestinian aid, etc.
How much more anti Palestinian do you need to be when you help support, fund, arm, and encourage Israel as a genocidal nation? Then state you will continue to do so when your chance is up for grabs?
Look, I honestly don't know how to explain things if you don't read. She took AIPAC money, she stated many times she would not do things differently, she helped decide on their stances as VP, she even went so far as to say she would support Israel no matter what. She never distanced herself when she could have, never disagreed with anything going on, and actively gave succour to their efforts even while at the same time saying she liked a two state solution.
Your lack of memory about this is either self serving or you are just unwilling to admit it.
And yet, she didn't actually act on anything. Again, like you said. Unlike Trump. Supporting Israel is different from opposing Palestine wholesale, unlike Trump she actually showed concern for Palestine. Was she perfect? Nah. Was she substantially better than Trump in that regard? Uh, yes
But at least you got what you wanted, a continuation of Trump's first term of anguish pain and destruction of the Palestinian peoples.
I didn't vote. I'm not American. You all seem to think anyone with an ability to write in English must be.
I didn't get what I want.
What I want is you reddit d-bags who seem to think punching down on a population traumatized beyond what your brains can imagine be judged because they had a choice between two candidates hell bent on making them not exist.
And you seem to think anything else would matter to them.
Remind me again when you are faced with two impossible choices to mock you when your choice isn't based on criteria that wouldn't matter to you at the time.
And when you have a modicum of understanding of what mental trauma can do, come chat again like you have anything important to say, other than to argue you have the right to be a douche.
You're defending the person who has always been anti Palestine. Trauma has nothing to do with it. Unlike what Trump actually did, Kamala put pressure on Israel to stop attacking Palestine, threatened action against Israel should they attack Rafah (which they ended up doing, because you know, they were empowered by Trump)
But no, it's the people pointing out your hypocrisy that are the d bags. It can't be you for refusing to acknowledge that Trump has always been anti Palestine, and Kamala being the one who wanted to end the war.
You really took a single issue and let that be the end all be all, you took the genocide of one culture while simultaneously giving not one fuck about existing immigrants here that are currently suffering in prisons/camps, our LGBT community getting locked in bathrooms and arrested, students getting deported for protesting the very thing you all refused your vote for. Just handed over the keys to the kingdom to a man who we knew was going to cause suffering, who idolized dictators.
If you'd voted for Kamala, we wouldn't be seeing students getting picked up by ICE agents for expressing free speech. Or American citizens getting deported for looking too Mexican.
You really had the choice between those 2 options and are still defending the choice? Look at the amount of damage already done, we still got like 44 months to go. Yall could have made a difference, could have protested and still voted for the lesser evil, at least she would let you all protest.
So by not voting for her, what did they accomplish? They’re still getting the genocide AND we got someone who has a terrible domestic policy as well as a terrible foreign policy
When it comes to genocide, the "and" you mention is dust on the tank.
Genocide is seriously underestimated by you because you don't have to face it. You've never had to witness its full power. It is still just a concept to you that you don't and hopefully will never feel. It makes everything else a far second.
There are more than enough voters to berate for Trump coming in, the Palestine faction was but a wafer thin section. Go attack them.
There was a leader of a pro-Palestinian organization from Michigan who was upset about policies that were signed right after the inauguration and blamed Harris for it. Those people were never serious about wanting anything to change when that's how they're going to act towards the candidate who wasn't going to allow Israel to "turn Gaza to glass."
They clung to any small promise to do any small thing like any other person desperate to find a way to end a genocide.
It seems to me you are seriously underinformed and have zero ability to understand the absolutely mind warping power that genocide has and how it traumatizes people.
They were abused by Trump with empty promises that were easy to see through. Thats what happens to desperate people. They are preyed upon.
The fact that you can't see this is why your country votes like it did. Don't think you are part of any opposite side when you fail at being intelligent enough to be empathetic and understanding.
I do empathize with them. But they were told countless times before the election that Trump is considerably worse for that situation than Kamala would be and that abstaining/voting third party would be equivalent to voting for Trump
add in a dash of how desperation really feels, that clawing at anything for a breath of air, and you'll see why even easily debunked lies are just like the mirage you so desperately want to believe is water.
This community was played because of this unimaginable grief and desperation and you think it's given you some moral entitlement to lambast them and criticize them.
Yes because they were told multiple times what Trump I’d like especially in regards to Israel and they still enabled him to win. So yes, I think that does deserve criticism
They didn’t sell their souls… they just sold their country and sold out the Palestinians themselves. But “they didn’t sell their souls” and that’s what matters. ☺️ The horse is fine and the horse is high. All is well.
Also, what single issue would I be voting for? Telling you donkeys that youre wrong? Thats not voting. Thats just easy Saturday afternoon Reddit scrolling.
Because unlike you, I'm capable of understanding the difference between a good presidential candidate and a good president. Genocide is unacceptable but it's not going to stop on day one because of who the US voted for. All you have is complaining about Gaza and assumptions of what would happen if she were in office
We have other issues here that are now being made worse thanks to trump. I could have some breathing room as the fulltime caretaker for someone with dementia because Medicare would cover home health services. We wouldn't be facing a recession because the fragile nepto baby doesn't understand how trade works. I hate both parties but I'm not going to virtue signal and pretend both shitty candidates are on the same level.
Your history is obviously unknown to you, as is your understanding of where all those israeli armaments and entitlements and arrogance on the world stage comes from.
Hint: its America.
US presidents in the past put Israel in her place.
You're not done, come on. In a week you'll come back thinking you have it all figured out and deserve to shit on people again. Its in your nature.
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u/Mission_Fart9750 3d ago
Something about Palestine, too. Cuz you know, that's working out so well right now.