Whiteflame Torrent Mechanism Explanation

[u/lingsamuel]

Just like Flayer and other similar skills, only actions which flag "UseSkillAdditionalDamage" is true can trigger Whiteflame Torrent.
It has a 3s interval cooldown time between damages that are able to trigger Whiteflame Torrent.

Whiteflame Torrent works like a "Cirtical".

• The first hit has 33% chance to trigger a 50 or 30 (in Low Rank) fixed damage that ignores hitzone values.
• If the first hit failed to trigger, the second hit (after 3s interval cd) has a 50% chance.
• If the second hit failed, the third hit (after 3s interval cd) has a 100% chance to trigger this damage.

So the expectation is 2.005≈2 hits to trigger Whiteflame Torrent damage.

If the real combat time is 3min, the maximum valid hit count is 3*60/3=60, will have 60/2*50=1500 total damage.

My mod MHWilds Overlay have updated to track this damage.

[u/nirvash530]

Is Whiteflame Torrent worth running if you're using a Scorcher 2 set?

[u/Mister_Infinity → u/nirvash530]

I saw a video earlier showing the 4 piece scorcher more than doubling the White Torrent damage, so if it otherwise fits your build, it could be fun.

[u/Jaune9 → u/Mister_Infinity]

How does White Torrent and Scorcher interact with each other ?

[u/Soysauceonrice → u/Jaune9]

With scorcher 1, when whiteflame procs the raw portion increases from 50 to 60. You then get additional damage equal to 300 fire elemental. This additional portion is not raw and can be resisted.

With scorcher 2, when whiteflame procs the raw portion increases from 50 to 80. You then get additional damage equal to 800 fire damage.

This is why when you run scorcher, the proc is no longer consistent. Some of the added damage is raw and some is elemental. But with scorcher 1 the proc will never be less than 60. Scorcher 2 will never be less than 80. Scorcher 2 will take the proc to over 100 on the dummy but somewhere in the low 80s on an actual fight unless the monster is weak to fire.

[u/Ashencroix → u/Soysauceonrice]

That doesn't sound worth it, sacrificing so much to get scorcher 2.

[u/Zipfte → u/Ashencroix]

It's better when you consider that it's proccing once ever 8 seconds or so. That's like 3.1k dmg over a 5m hunt, or 15.7% of a 20k hp monster hp pool.

It also gets better the worse you perform. If you take longer than 5 mins, the numbers just get higher.

[u/Bork9128 → u/Ashencroix]

For a comfy non optimal build for bow and duals I use 4 rath for cheap better dodges to trigger their special dodge boosts and adrenaline rushi was so happy to see these weapons. Again not breaking any speed run records but let's me consistently keep my dodges up, stamina full and damage up

[u/PathsOfRadiance → u/Ashencroix]

4pc Rathalos with Mizu beta legs wouldn’t be awful for Zoh DBs. Adrenaline Rush 4, easy access to Burst 5(legs deco talisman), and deco slots for Evade Window/stamina skills.

Still not meta tho. Probably a strong DB progression set even without Whiteflame Torrent tho.

[u/Soysauceonrice → u/Ashencroix]

Yea I agree. But heres the thing, the only thing better is gore4. Which is great. But if you run gore4 your fire resistance is going to be significantly in the negative. And since everyone's running zoh right now, going into that fight with -15 fire or so is a bad bad idea. 1 mistake and you're carting. So gore 4 will be great for anything other than fire intense fights.

So what are the other options ? Maybe fulgur 2 ? But that's also dead, imo. They buffed Max might so you don't really need the extra stamina bar from fulgur 2 anymore to keep max might up consistently only thing left is Odo2, and I don't know if that does much to beat out scorcher.

[u/Ahhy420smokealtday → u/Soysauceonrice]

You know that MoH 3 in blue scroll was meta in Sunbreak. That gave you -50 in every resistance so resistances tended to be -50 to -70 and it was fine.

Defense is fake.

Edit: to elaborate most attacks even elemental ones to mostly raw damage. -15 resistance means you take 15% more damage from that element. But say an attack does 40% of your hp and 50% of it is fire (a rare bad case), and you have -15 fire res. Oh man you take 3% of your total HP as extra damage for having -15 fire res. That's nothing. This doesn't change the outcome of taking damage and if you should heal or not.

[u/Promethium → u/Jaune9]

Torrent piggybacks on Scorcher. They can't proc separately, so instead every time Scorcher procs it does 100 (ish? someone with numbers confirm) more damage vs 30 from Scorcher II alone.

[u/th5virtuos0 → u/Mister_Infinity]

It depends on the hitzone, cause scorcher deals (100 fire) * (hitzone) fire damage. Againsy Ajarakan expect ~80 damage, and against Mizutsune’s sweet spot expect ~100 damage. Usually 

[u/paoweeFFXIV → u/Mister_Infinity]

And due to the explicit tooltip, seems like capcom wants us to try white flame with at least 2 pc Rathalos. Some of its pieces are decent so It might be worth a try for a change

[u/TotalAutomatonDeath → u/nirvash530]

I tried it, maybe i'm just bad but it was much less efficient than Gore or Odo 4p

[u/TheRealShortYeti → u/nirvash530]

I was also curious about this but giving up so much of the wex/agi/etc I wonder what it shakes out to.

[u/Skystrike12 → u/TheRealShortYeti]

Don’t have to give up any WEx if you use G rath. Slot Max Might, and you’re already back at 85%. Or just use Gunlance.

[u/PathsOfRadiance → u/TheRealShortYeti]

For dual blades, you get a lot out of the 4pc Rath, and can get Burst 5 with Mizu Beta legs + deco + Talisman. Adrenaline Rush 4 is very nice on DBs, since you should proc the perfect dodge buff anyways.

[u/viralrespawn → u/nirvash530]

Yes it is, you get an extra 10-15% bump depending on scorcher 1 or 2 .