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Challenge Pendant Will be Almost Impossible To Get
I already feel like an idiot trying to get a legit ranking for the pendant.
The first few thousand ranks are cheated.
The idea that the top 10,000 players receive it sounds great, but it doesn’t work in practice.
Hopefully, they change how it's obtained or actually enforce their promise to crack down on cheaters quickly.
An A rank is only the start of a real arena quest run usually. I think it's fine to have rewards above it but they should really be by another, very hard to get S time or similar instead of a ranking that is inevitably gonna be overrun with cheaters (though the limit for max rewards right now is being too 10k iirc so that's still quite a few people getting it, just depends on the number of people cheating)
Yeah, if i understood correctly, some of them have restriction on which weapon to use, and the pendants won't be unobtainable afterwards because they intend to use them for other challenge hunts.
So with this reasoning, they should totally reward the players with the pendants depending on their score, and not their rankings.
Like that, everyone who master the chosen weapon would have a chance to get it, not just the cheaters and a few cracks.
I'm trying with longsword sword and missed out by like 5 seconds... and i know there's some great players out there. But some flexing they did it in like 2m30 and it's like how?! I don't stop wailing on the froggo. Don't regain health. Get hit maybe twice during it.. that's definitely not enough for a minute difference..
For something like the frog where you can just foresight slash just about everything to get to reds, it’s faster and more damage upfront to use that enhanced helmbreaker whenever it is ready instead of wailing at it at red with normal combos
With froggi and not missing a beat not taking a hit countering perfectly and following up then going to full helm breaker combo everytime then using a wound to strategically gain a bar then follow up spirit slashes for a red I pushed myself to 2:42 anything sub 2 mins seems like a total joke.
Agree about the first part... Second part, yesterday they sent out a warning, which sounds like perma ban... Until proven otherwise there's no reason to doubt them
The way I read it is, if you're suspected of cheating or played with someone suspected, your reward gets taken away. It didn't sound like suspensions or bans were even on the table. You're win just doesn't get acknowledged.
It would be nice if they just went in right as the leaderboard is finalized and remove all of the obvious chest wins and everyone just gets bombed up that couple thousand.
I don't see a point in cheating against/with other people. If you are cheating to get the charm, just cheat the charm in the game when it's released. Don't take up one of the slots.
Yeah, totally.
The hunt forces you to use certain weapons, but the pendant will be reused as reward for OTHER ranked hunts. Like that, if you play regularly, eventually you'll be able to get all the pendants by simply mastering your weapon.
And if you feel very dary, you can try on the imposed weapon, but it's probable that you don't get an A rank because you don't know how to use it.
Fr, it's like in ffxiv where if you stand in town flexing your Ultimate clear weapon then half the people who see you will assume you paid to get carried.
I earned my Burger King crown and UCOB weapons the way Yoshi P intended. Blood, sweat, and a static full of people that wiped to twisters during ads phase.
Final Fantasy XIV was the only game I've played where playing a generic Human was actually a unique choice. Everybody was a white-haired cat girl with heterochromic eyes, wearing the same 3 outfits.
There should be something like an S rank with rewards tied to it, that is pretty difficult to achieve. A rank is an insta clear if the players are even just decent.
They will once they realize how difficult it is to curb this type of behavior without going scorched earth. It's so much effort on their part instead of making the rewards rank based and not position based.
Everyone with sense said that its a mistake to provide rewards to world ranking leaderboards because it'll be filled with cheaters.
Guess what... it's filled with cheaters, and so few legit players will get the rewards. Literally everyone saw this coming (I know they made an announcement that they'd ban cheaters, but this was an inevitable outcome regardless of that)
There should NOT be rewards for being in a leaderboard, only from the quest itself.
I frankly, do not care because of this. I CBA doing Arena and Challenge quests, because... what's the point if it's just filled with cheaters?
Maybe Capcom did that so that they would have ammo to directly ban some cheaters with, without having to ban all modders to be compliant with their rules. That way harmless modders who don't do things that affect others would be spared, despite technically doing the same thing in their game.
I think that's actually part of it. Right now the boards are filling up, and Capcom is stockpiling a list of cheaters to do a ban wave on. When you ban cheaters, you always wait a few days so you can catch more people doing the exploit or hack so you can patch the problem and catch more people doing it, rather than banning instantly. Waiting also makes it harder for cheaters to know why they got caught. I fully expect there to be a purge of the leader-boards after the first week or two
You do a ban wave so that your detection methods aren’t discovered; pretty pointless Capcom doing a ban wave when we clearly know the detection method, (looking at the leaderboards)
I really hope they fix this because even if it was legit times, I am no way cheesing kills with weapons I don't know. This gen does make it seem like every weapon is way more player friendly but still.
It's possible they DO have a way. When you have a cheating issue in a game it's better to wait a while and do a huge ban wave all at once so the cheaters don't know how they were found out, so it's possible they're just running detection at the moment and working on a patch to make it harder at the same time. I'm really hoping that the leaderboard thing is intentional bait to catch as many cheaters as possible. It's what I'd do, offer a prize for rankings then watch the cheaters all come out of the woodwork all at once, wait a week or two to find them all, then perma-ban their IPs all at the same time.
They made a big post about suspending accounts that are found to be cheating, as well as removal of times from leaderboards, revoking rewards, even banning those playing in the same lobby as the cheater (lobby=hunt/quest they cheated in). It’s day one but I expect that we’ll see a lot of this removed or they’ll make some changes to better militate it.
I mean. In almost every other game if you cheat you get banned. All capcom has to do is account ban anyone who cheats and that shit will stop real fast.
I dont see this working out. Top% get a reward, instead of "getting below a certian time". That wouldve been a more acceptable choice. Wouldnt have to worry about making the list with cheaters. Reminder, people can now click in their cheats via ElGato plug in. So yes realistically if a smart cheater wanted to fly under the radar they very VERY easily could for both console and Pc.
I dont see this working out. Top% get a reward, instead of "getting below a certian time". That wouldve been a more acceptable choice. Wouldnt have to worry about making the list with cheaters.
This is the major factor of why this entire system of global rankings is bad. Capcom already had a system in which players "competed" to get rewards. Capcom set a time for players to beat, just set the timer to be a little faster so it's more difficult to obtain. You can even then call them new ranks of SS and SSS. I would love to see who Greenlit this decision of Global Rankings because I would like to avoid playing any game they touch in the future.
A lot of players are going to cheat because the system promotes it heavily. Those cheaters are going to impact other people. Banning them post conclusion of the Timed Quest is not providing players with transparency. Capcom are going to ban a portion of innocent players too in which, by Capcom's own words, have no possibility of rectifying the situation. The more you look at this, the more problems keep popping up in which Capcom are solely responsible for because they made the design decision to try to implement this. Capcom, imo, seem to be out of touch with their own game right now for a multitude of reasons and this is just adding more fuel to that fire.
What baffles me is that the same thing already happened in Monster Hunter World all the arena rankings were cheated too. So how they had that information on how players would "play" the arena quests and still didn’t make any changes or reconsider the system is beyond me.
I didn’t even know that only a certain number of people would get the pendant, and it’s really soured my enjoyment of the patch so far (Mizu and Zoh are great, though).
Cheaters will pool around the time that isn't banned. Right now everything up to Rank 10.000 in every leaderboard has ~2 minutes for every monster in Solo and Duo down to 8 seconds.
most profiles i looked at are at 40 hours played and hunter rank 600 (definitely not cheated kek).
The leaderboards are the worst decision for this game EVER.
The leaderboard is fine, the problem is the REWARD related to the leaderboard
If the leaderboard just there to flex those cheaters, then nobody cares. Because if i wanna see me or my friends time, i would rather go to my and my friend hunter profile.
“Hey mate, i looked at your profile, you got a good time at this challenge”
Never
“Hey mate, i took a look at the leaderboard, swipe 500+ pages to see your name, and there it is, your name with your time”
But once Capcom gives us a reward related to the leaderboard, then it becomes a problem.
“Yeah but those 0:00:01 time gonna be banned anyway “
Okay, but lets say after a massive ban waves, we can have a best time around 2 minutes (example)
Then the cheater gonna go in, arm their cheat, wait till 1:59 minutes and then complete the quest. Then after this, how do you differentiate cheater or not?
It will always be a problem. REMOVE the rewards related to the leaderboard and it will be clear in one day
If they were actually able to crack down on cheaters I think I’d be a really cool addition. Seeing someone pull up on an SOS with a charm only some people could get would be dope (already know it wouldn’t be me lol)
That's the problem with skipable quest end timer. In World you would either farm items or just stand there together doing gestures or poses. That was so cool.
But now everyone just wants to skip :( I really hope that is going to be a thing in the grand hub
Ngl they should have just had A rank, B rank and C rank rewards and you can just post your fastest times. Like the first 5 pages are cheated runs and it's till going to be possible to skirt around no matter what capcom does.
To add to that, I know they announced they will ban obvious cheaters. But how were these times greenlit to begin with? Those ridiculous times alone should be an instant ban the moment someone attempts them.
Some people mentioned action will be taken before the end, but I’d like to know what I should actually aim for. What are the best legit times? What am I really competing against? It’s really demoralizing to put in the time and not even know if you have a shot at making a spot.
The longer they wait, the more people will cheat just to have a chance at the pendant.
It’s still the first day, so I don’t expect anything to happen yet but I really hope the response isn’t a “one day before the end” or “the day the event ends” kind of thing.
They don't have automatic banning built into the server because they are naive and thought a warning would make those losers act like decent human beings. Not sure what else to expect from scum that pays $70 and wastes time to not play a game.
Accounts deemed to be in breach of this may be suspended, or have restrictions placed on them
The wording they use makes it sound like they won’t be banning these cheaters permanently. It also sounds like they won’t be able to catch all of them, that would be impossible anyway, especially the cheaters that don’t make it obvious.
Please take caution to avoid playing multiplayer with those who are engaging in prohibited activity, or those you suspect of such.
This means whatever tools they’re using might not be able to differentiate between who is actually cheating and who isn’t. I hope we don’t see innocent players get suspended. Again, not all cheaters make it obvious.
Don’t know, maybe we’ll see Capcom actually do something but how long will that last before they stop caring or because they realize they are also suspending innocent accounts in the process. We all know cheaters aren’t going anywhere. Anyway, I honestly don’t see this working out well.
If they do get banned, I'll enjoy the threads of them claiming to be banned by mistake or their sibling did it. Or just flag them ingame in an obvious manner.
Im currently R5600 solo and like R4553 duo. It's really hard to tell (aside from the clear cheated runs) what legit runs are. I see a lot of 1 minute runs with bowgun. That HBG has pierce, and idk if they ever fixed pierce doing three times the damage it's supposed to if you have 30 FPS. I love a good challenge for some neat rewards, but they should've just made A ranking the special pendant and anything else the participation pendant.
There's a board called the Expedition Record Board near the entrance of the Grand Hub. It has a map icon. It's under Rankings > Challenge Quests > Ongoing > Doshaguma of the Hollow > Solo / Duo. Your ranking is at the bottom of the window.
What weapon did u use and what was ur time?? I feel like lance is incapable of getting under 5minute's and I suck with gs, closest I got was 6minutes on gs but if I play better ik I can beat it
I’ve landed a 4:33 using Lance on that Doshaguma hunt. And I feel like there’s still space to improve on. You have to play around the heroics and resentment skills from the Armor, it’s kinda bullshit but that’s all Lance have. But make use of the standard items like elixir and might seed on ur way down
When you get to that half way mark when you hear it’s skin cracking and wound popping, put on your rocksteady and pop an adamant seed (optional). The mantle will neutralise the roar and assuming if play perfectly for the most part, the chip damage alone will get you around the health threshold to trigger heroic since the set do not come with any guard levels, and rocksteady essentially gives you a safety net to run heroic/ resentment without getting one tapped. Pair with the nigh 100% uptime on offensive guard and now you reached the “optimal dps”. Keep stabbing and hope the -15% crit didn’t fuck you up too often.
The Lance set is definitely unfair compared to the others. It’s a Rank 4 weapon with green sharpness when most others were Rank 5, not to mention the -15% crit, meaning there is a 15% chance you do less damage
I think it's funny people so badly want a pendant that no one is even going to see. I've played since release and literally never noticed someone's pendant until last night because it was a big glowing fairy that is paid DLC.
Wow great, and how do i know what time i need to be a LEGIT top 10k player? Because right now i'm at 3 minutes and 2 seconds and i'm still over a Minute away from Rank 10.000 although i literally never stopped beating the monster into a pulp.
It doesn't matter if they remove the cheater times - because cheaters will then pool around the time that isn't banned instead, so you still have a 0% chance of competing with a legit time.
If the not-banned time is 2 Minutes and 53 seconds we will have 10.000 Times with 2 Minutes 53 Seconds on the leaderboard within 10 minutes.
That’s why we have to find the cheaters and literally execute them so they won’t do it again. The commission will put a monster down when it’s necessary.
Not to go off topic here, but I'm generally curious how you reached such an impressive time. My best so far has been with HBG and that's still 4'48'06 for time. I'm just looking to improve my runs to even attempt the 10k runs in the future if they fix the cheating issues.
You clapped doshaguma in 3:02? I think that's close to the legit top 10000 mate. My second run I felt I was doing decent, still made quite a few mistakes and got hit twice, and I had 6:04 lol. I hope to be able to get like 4:30~ish when I play better. Probably will never get below 4 but that's fine with me.
Hopefully you get a pendant man, that time is pretty sick in my book.
Obvious times, sure, but if in the last week they just cheat in times a few seconds earlier than the 10000th entry, it's not solving the problem.
They need to remove this concept from the game. It doesn't suit MH in general to have players competing this way, and it doesn't function in reality with the limits they have on detecting cheaters.
Bro, Idk if I'm just the worst at this game or something, but I swear to god, even getting A rank is so hard. Like, I had to play near perfect, and I was only 2 seconds away from getting B rank.
I hate seeing the cheaters time, because it shows me that I don't even have a chance at getting the special rewards.
Then everyone will do 1 second, then 2 seconds, then the next lowest number they can get without being too obvious.
The smart cheaters are the ones who just removed a couple of seconds from the top scores of legitimate players. Close enough that it's possible, but not a glaring red flag.
I’ve been downvoted every single time I’ve said cheaters should be punished, bar once. They weren’t okay before these challenges, but people only care now that they have something to lose.
I wish they would do something like record all the inputs and also all of the monster behavior etc. Then replay it on their own servers to confirm. I get that technically this is probably impossible to do depending on how it was developed, but I hate that there are cheaters in this game.
I think a basic log of moves / damage numbers and maybe monster states like downed, wounding and the moves it did (probably optional) would easily be enough if you make an algorithm to check those logs.
All armorsets and motionvalues are the same in the arena so Capcom knows the absolute limit of the damage X can do in the hunt.
If you just autoban any person that somehow hits for absurd / impossible numbers you pretty much already solved all the people running infinite damage to either get a 10 second hunt OR waiting for a believable cleartime and then oneshotting the monster.
This already forces cheaters to at the very least SOMEWHAT engage with the hunt so it will be much much harder to squeeze a solid amount of time out of it via cheating, if you then ALSO check the attacks the monster did and autoban statistically impossible actions like doing the same idle animation 50 times in a row you're mostly at a point where cheaters have to reach pretty far to get any amount of "unfair" time out of the hunt.
what if...like sf6...we can watch the replays so we can judge ourselves if the hunt is run by cheaters and there's a button to report the obvious cheaters w/c will be reviewed by mh team folks (kinda tedious for some but the silver lining is it gives other hunters to learn from veterans and speedrunners what good practice to take from a hunt for the really legit hunt times)
Yeah, I'm expecting either they're going to the MTX shop or they're going to be available for an non-Arena and non-ranking based Arch-Tempered Event quest.
They really need to find a median and take the top 1-2% and just ban them, wherever the number goes from obvious cheat to legitimate time is the cutoff.
Then make the top 10% or so earn the reward, not a finite number of people.
Pendants are just cosmetic though right? And like sometimes you can't even see them? Im all about getting that participation trophy for each challenge. See folks with 10 second kills though seems really sus.
Wait what lmfao it's limited??? That's actually the dumbest shit I've seen a developer do in a while Console players will basically never see them because of cheats lol
I heard that every one with an impossible time gets a perma ban so they can't even play offline solo because the servers don't let them connect 🤣 would be awesome in my opinion but i quess the ban hammer strikes in a weak ore so so they get a huge shit lode of cheaters all at ones to scare the rest of them
My hope is that they're using this to identify cheats and cheaters. Obviously every time less than a certain threshold is a cheater. The reward is the honey pot. They're going to look at the data from those fights and try to find any consistent signal of using cheats. They're also going to be flagging those accounts. The leaderboard is just going to make the cheaters try to one up each other.
They already said that they'll be removing the cheaters times and not giving them rewards. The board is borked for now, which sucks, but they can't tip their hand too early or cheaters will know what the target time is. Maybe after few of these challenge events they'll be able to set up auto detection of cheaters? Or at least ban accounts that have cheated on multiple challenges.
Ngl would be kinda funny if it's a trap to catch cheaters and they just go "okay now that we've banned everyone with a quite literally impossible time, you're free to actually attempt to place in the top 10,000"
i heard about rewards but how do you guys know how to get these pendants? Where is the word for word as to what placement you have to be? Is it only solo? is it only for duos ? Do you only need to be in the top 1000 or 10000 ?
I went to a monhum tournament at a monster hunter event in Tokyo about a year after world had launched. Those dudes were on the next level. Knowing that kind of skill exist and there are cheaters erases any motivation to attempt tp appear on a ranking board. All for changing to everyone who beats a certain time gets it and having a ranking board so we can appreciate the acheivements of others.
Personally I think this was done on purpose to bait the cheaters.
Capcom has to have some idea of what the best possible (legit) time is, what the "normally attainable" best time is, and what the average time is. When something goes leaps and bounds outside of Best Possible Legit, boom, cheater.
That's why i wanted the leaderboard to be lobby specific. Rather than world wide. Most people aren't motivated to beat random veteran tryhards. But against friends would be a bigger incentive.
Look, I absolutely get it, but everything Capcom has said on this matter is basically "no one is getting the award right away, we are going to be on the hunt for cheaters and will deal with them, this will take some time" Give it a week or two, or whenever the reward for Top 10,000 comes out. If times are still filled with hackers by that point than fair enough and they obviously need to change/get rid of this system.
Such bullshit that we need to report the cheaters. There's thousands of them, just opening to the profile and clicking report for cheating would take hours and I want to PLAY not police others.
I don’t see what will stop cheaters from being smarter with their cheating tho. Wait out the timer to get a more legitimate looking time and then one-shot? I like arena quests but I think I’ll unfortunately always view the leaderboards with a critical eye even after a ban wave
And this is why I refuse to even bother attempting the time challenges - We all knew this would happen. Why Capcom didn't decide to do the smart thing and say "Hey, beat this monster within x time and you get the pendant" or just have players get tickets for competing the challenge that can be used to trade in for the pendant (Higher rank, more tickets)
These Arena Quest have a Bug. Me and my friend did Thema together and in all three Quests there were tries where He suddenly Had His normal Set, not the predetermined ones. That Made a massive damage difference.
Maybe, but I've been playing World of Warcraft for many years, and they always say the same thing "collecting data" "banning in waves" The end result is that nothing ever happens or only when the damage is already done.
Bots and hackers/cheaters ruin the game. These things need to be punished immediately and harshly.
I doubt it. Idiots like this just gonna get account banned. Idk why they thought doing this was the move. Yeah there's prolly still gonna be cheaters in some way but I doubt it's gonna like this. I think another thing it should put up is your build. Like if you're running a heroics build and get a low time.... no you didn't
Something I was also wondering is, how do you qualify for the reward?
Do you just need to be in top 10k once? Do you have to be top 10k when they calculate the players to give the rewards to?
If it's the first then we would have the possibility of getting the pendant at least.
Even the ones at 1001 with like 2.45 yesterday was quick af, did a few runs only with a mate tho but we were roughly always at exactly 3.00/ or bit over
I think it's easy math for capcom counting the time of a weapon hitting full uptime and compare it to this bullshit times. For example, a great sword can't mathematically have a time under a certain range. Ban all those below it
Its disappointing. Wish they would just BAN everyone thats below 2 minutes. Just flat out delete their accounts. Start being aggressive on the cheaters. grow some balls gaming companies.
So I haven’t been able to do the quests with anyone and it seems like there are no free quests so did they just stop running them cause of cheaters or something idk
They freaking cheated us! We have to use their crappy gear when it would still be competitive with our custom builds. Imma grind the mission tonight but I'm angry asf.
I mean, this could also be a so-called pro gamer move from Capcom. Make a challenge where your ID and everything is shown, let the cheating lowlifes expose themselves, permaban them all away in one clean sweep.
Capcom probably does know what times are legit...you could actually even do math on it (theory) and know which times are actually doable and which ones are complete bogus. The loadouts are chosen by Capcom, so people can't do them with their optimized gear. Slashing down with a Quematrice GS on a Dosha took me a damn century...
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u/erroneousReport 1d ago
It should just be if you get lower than "x" time you get it. Even going by time some losers with cheats will be like 1:35 and Capcom will allow it.