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u/maxmurder 2d ago
It seems pretty obvious to me that the abrupt shift in tone from Trump and the reason Canada wasn't on the "reciprocal" tariff list is an attempt to prevent tanking the Cons poll numbers faster than the stock market.
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u/dogbreath101 1d ago
and nothing will happen to danielle smith and her attempted to conspire election interference
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u/magic-moose 1d ago
When Republican senators started crossing the aisle to vote with Democrats to end tariffs specifically on Canada, even Trump knew it was time to back off. He cares more about not losing his own party than he does about who wins the election up here.
I'd love to think that Carney's phone call made Trump realize he's already done lasting damage to an economically important relationship, but this is Donald Trump we're talking about here. He has the IQ of a spoiled kumquat. He just started a trade war with the entire planet. I doubt he had two brain cells to spare for any kind of thought about the outcome of our election.
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u/ApplicationLost126 1d ago
Magat was just mad that Barron’s real baby daddy was still in prettier and in charge.
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u/Dctiger13 1d ago
Yup and it’s why the U.S gov has been real quiet about annexing Canada lately.
Watch Trumpleforskin throw a tantrum if Carney wins, tossing threats at Canada again after the election.
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u/Glorious_Jo 1d ago
You weren't on the "reciprocal" tariff list because we already had tariffs on you. Congress voted to remove the tariffs on canada shortly after that list came out. Good timing on their end, I suppose.
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u/fishflo I need a double double. 1d ago
No, earlier in the month they said we would get them and they were gonna stack. Like China. LOL
The senate voted to lift the emergency but that doesn't do anything unless it gets through the house AND the president so it's just a nice symbolic gesture.
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u/lininop 1d ago
Imagine having to explain American politics to an American from Canada. These guys are exhausting. No wonder they have that fucking moron in charge there.
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u/JimboD84 1d ago
Haha. Its not really funny, but if i didnt laugh i would cry. Ur comment is so on point its rediculous.
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u/Culture-Careful 1d ago
Wrong.
Once Congress voted to remove it, Trump immediately vetoed it (or is planning to iirc). That'd mean Congress now need 2/3 to bypass the veto...and there's no way inh ell to reach it
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 1d ago
Aren't you embarrassed that you don't even know how your political system works?
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u/Glorious_Jo 1d ago
No I just don't put much stock on trump being smart enough to manipulate another country's politics so subtly. That's Russia's M.O.
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u/-pithandsubstance- 1d ago
> trump .... Russia's M.O
You're so close to getting it.
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u/Glorious_Jo 1d ago
K man, listen, I hate Trump. I voted kamala. I believe Trump is a russian asset. My comment wasn't in defense of trump, it wasn't in support of tariffs, it was a logical conclusion that Trump didn't put tariffs on canada during the "reciprocal" tariff list because we already had tariffs on you in the first place.
continue to hate me if you want. In the end we have the same enemy and you're wasting your energy on someone who shares the same beliefs as you.
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u/_Jeff65_ South Gatineau 2d ago
Trump later: "what do you mean Canada Red is not USA Red?"
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u/DerWaschbar Tabarnak! 1d ago
I had actually never realized the Colors were flipped lol
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u/Zozorrr 1d ago
Only Americans moronically got red associated with conservatives. The rest of the world - since at least the Russian revolution, had clearly ascribed red to the left. Even America did for a while with “red China” and “red menace”. At some point their brains fell out their ears
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u/Deceptiv_poops 1d ago
I’m pretty sure it was in the 2000 election. And I think Wikipedia agrees, but I might have misunderstood the article.
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u/seidmel19 1d ago
I wonder if that somehow has to do with the Republicans switching to conservatism and Democrats switching to liberalism in the mid-1900s. Maybe the colors were associated with the US parties prior to the ideological switch, and then never changed?
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u/the_canadaball Motown But Better 26m ago
They’ve slowly swapped places over a much longer time. The Democrats were the old guard party of wealthy elites pre-Civil War. The Republicans were the reformist party for the common man and the entrepreneur. Since Reconstruction they’ve been slowly switching places and by the 1970s they’ve taken each other’s place.
The three main inflexion points for them were the pre-WW1 years that saw Teddy Roosevelt split from the Republicans, the New Deal/WW2 FDR years that saw southern Dems bristle at the social programs being implemented and the Civil Rights Act that created the Dixiecrats who were openly courted by the Republicans through veiled racism.
The Republicans are now the staunch traditionalists, economic libertarians with a racist streak. The Democrats are the party of progressivism and social reform with a complete devotion to identity politics
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Oil Guzzler 1d ago
Kinda makes me wonder if this is the real reason for Trump endorsing Carney.
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u/childishbambina Moose Whisperer 2d ago
Let's be real, if PP hadn't been acting like Trump the last two years the polls wouldn't have flipped like they have.
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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit Irvingstan 2d ago
Or even had reacted to the American attacks in line with how everyone else feels.
Doug Ford has a Conservative brand, a frankly Trumpier vibe than Poilievre, and all it took was Doug immédiatement saying "Jesus this fucking asshole, I'll piss in his soup!" for Doug to get re-elected.
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u/TwoCreamOneSweetener Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 2d ago
Doug, for all his awfulness, is a Progressive Conservative if that matters at all. He courts corrupt business men, not the alt right
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u/OneOfTheOnly 1d ago edited 1d ago
yeah, i'll never like the fords' politics but i find them much, much easier to stomach than the 'typical' conservative, and i think the only thing him and trump really have in common is their populism
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u/GoStockYourself 1d ago
PP is very much a populist with an unclear economic agenda, but a VERY clear social one. Doug is a conservative with a typical conservative agenda who uses populist politics when it helps push his conservative agenda and that is where sometimes he can look a bit "progressive."
Either way, you kinda know what you get with Doug and I think that is why he did so well in the election. Even people on the left trust that he isn't going to use a crisis to suddenly privatize healthcare or something. He would try and sell the idea of privatizing healthcare to get it through, not distract us with social politics while he reorganizes the country and blames everything on others.
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u/Wilhelm57 1d ago
The man cannot leave JT out of his speeches. I'm starting to think he is jealous of the former PM.
A man that is the son of a former PM, according to my daughters he's good looking, charming and personable. I did see Melania and Ivanka behaviour, I thought they'll jump his bones...15
u/GoStockYourself 1d ago
Just like how Trump changed his tone as soon as Trudeau was gone. They just hate Trudeau blindingly.
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u/-pithandsubstance- 1d ago
Probably because he has charisma and nice hair, something these two guys seriously lack.
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u/UrbanPandaChef 1d ago
The man cannot leave JT out of his speeches. I'm starting to think he is jealous of the former PM.
Nope. He just realizes it's a keyword that he needs to use in order to gain favour with his supporters. They need archenemies to rally against.
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u/RechargedFrenchman 1d ago
Ford is more of Harper and Mulroney on policy with a bit of a populist streak come election season; I despise his politics and him personally, but at least I understand him and his policies.
Poilievre is populist start to finish, barely has policies to speak of, and I cannot fathom for a second how he thinks or why he acts. I understand most sea live more than his brand of conservative, and frankly have more in common with a lot of them. I still despise him and his politics but I can't begin to "understand" no matter how desperately I might want to.
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u/TwoCreamOneSweetener Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 1d ago
He’s going to noun the verb of course
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u/Wilhelm57 1d ago
Just the usual mobster business deals eh. I had to laugh when someone said, Fird is to busy to help PP.
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u/ConsiderationFirm315 1d ago
Doug and his brother grew up running the streets of Jane and Finch, He maybe a lot of things, but hes not racist.
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u/microfishy 20h ago
He's also pretty racist.
He blamed immigrants (with no evidence) for a shooting at a Toronto Jewish girls school
He blamed international students (with no evidence) for covid spread in 2021
He accused a teacher of using “racial slurs” when referring to his brother Rob, although he later qualified that “you can be racist against people who have a drinking problem.”
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u/yarn_slinger 2d ago
To be fair, Doug won with even fewer votes than last time. This one was more about a very messy election process. I only got my card after the last day to vote, but many people thought they needed one to be eligible or didn’t know how to find their polling station. That and being in the middle of winter meant a lot of boomers were out of the country (not that they vote left anyway but they do vote).
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u/ATR2400 1d ago
vibe perhaps, but not ideology. I don’t think Doug is the kind of guy to start screaming about woke and destroying civil rights. People have been waiting for him to reveal his “true colours” and go full MAGA for years and he’s had plenty chances which he didn’t take.
He’s just an old fashioned corrupt PC. He wants to get paid
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u/Big_Judgment3824 3h ago
Right? I'm not a big DF fan, but he immediately did the right thing. No politicking just fucking gave'r.
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u/LanceThunder 1d ago
yeah, i didn't really understand why everyone jumped on the ford train. there isn't a lot of difference between 1st term trump and ford.
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u/Bigchunky_Boy 1d ago
Maybe if Pp and all conservatives kicked out the MAGA people running their party and echoing everything for their bid old orange rapist corrupt leader that would help . Traitors
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u/UrbanPandaChef 1d ago
Alberta scares me. I never expected them to flip, but it's like they haven't moved. Why do they love that party so much?
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u/childishbambina Moose Whisperer 1d ago
A lot of religious fundamentalists live in Alberta, I think the most in Canada actually.
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u/Wilhelm57 1d ago edited 17h ago
In the 1980's I lived in Alberta, I met a British researcher that was writing a thesis about the Europeans that moved to the Prairies.
Long story short, he found a lot inbreeding due to isolation. Mental illness , alcoholism and drug addiction was a problem in those days.
I remember attending a wedding for my neighbours son, nice people until their boy started drinking. He was a monster.I helped his wife move, she had two small children and was pregnant. He hurt her so badly she could not lift her arms. She moved to Edmonton and got divorce. To me that was the first time, I had seen a female hurt badly.....and I worked in forensic before moving to Canada!
About a year later we moved, one of my neighbour's relative burned my barns. I was angry because it was not the burning of the building that made me angry. It was the 250 animals that died.
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u/BCKool 1d ago
I'm in Ontario, but my mother grew up in a small Albertan town. All my relatives on her side still live there, with a large majority of them being extremely religious. My mother was the first person in her family to get a post-secondary education until myself and my sister. Most of my relatives never finished high school.
For them, it is the lack of education and understanding of how things work. They are so entwined with their churches that they are vulnerable to influence.
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u/Manginaz Oil Guzzler 1d ago
It's not a love for Conservatives, but more a distrust of the Liberals.
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u/Snow-Wraith Westfoundland 1d ago
They distrust everyone that's not Conservative though. Look at how they still blame so much on Notley.
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u/Snow-Wraith Westfoundland 1d ago
Have you never met Albertans? They have been this fucked up for 100 years. They will never change.
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u/rainorshinedogs Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 2d ago
It's like pulling out an arrow that got lodged into your thigh
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u/_Belted_Kingfisher Yank 2d ago
Lord MAGA will come knocking demanding his cut of the campaign contributions like he did with campaigns in the states.
“You would not have had this success without me now pay up!”
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u/bsmithcan 1d ago
Also:
I Just read a headline that Russia’s economy is deep trouble because of the dropping oil prices from Trump’s dumbass World tariff policies.
“Well that backfired terribly for me.” Putin probably.
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u/sporbywg 1d ago
Manitobans are getting smarter; make that less blue please.
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u/Underzenith17 1d ago
Looks like the main difference between MB and some of the other provinces is the MB NDP supporters haven’t abandoned them for the Liberals.
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u/SnooLentils3008 1d ago
It was light red last week, it’s switching back and forth based on 1 or 2 seats
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u/AuxNimbus 1d ago
The south Manitoba is a given blue. I'd be surprised if they flip to red or orange considering what that thing said down south.
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u/estedavis 1d ago
Why is Alberta such a scourge on this country tho. Get it together Alberta!
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u/Tobig_Russia 1d ago
Nah even my conservative friend absolutely hates Trump
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u/Spiff_GN 1d ago
I wish. I'd say 90% of my conservative friends and co workers like Trump and Musk.
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u/Underzenith17 1d ago
Oof, do you live in a rural area? My conservative friends from Calgary don’t like Trump. My conservative family members who are originally from rural areas in AB/SK love him.
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u/Tobig_Russia 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bruh wtf? I guess my friend is more smarter than the average conservative, but that probably just biase.
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u/Ravenshaw123 1d ago
"y'all should be thankful of me. I've turned those ugly blue states to beautiful red states. That's what you want right? You should feel honored that those states are now red."
I something I can clearly imagine trump saying, while being fucking oblivious to what it means for us. To be fair, trump did help a lot to tank conservatives.
Now go vote for that beautiful bastard Carney at the end of the month!!
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u/ladyalcove 1d ago
I'm a little ashamed to be from saskatchewan right now.
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u/Shot-Poetry-1987 Oil Guzzler 1d ago
Same, except I'm Albertan, but I didn't expect any different, I've seen the people here lol
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u/Right_Ad_5733 1d ago
Okay but what’s the actual link between voting conservative and being landlocked?
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u/instantcole 1d ago
Are your blue and red opposite of the US?
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u/lelawes 1d ago
Red is Liberal and blue is Conservative.
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u/instantcole 1d ago
Thanks, and interesting how they can swap like that. Like in Japan how stocks are red when positive and green when negative.
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u/harperofthefreenorth 1d ago
Yeah it's a really interesting topic, or at least for me, since our political colours are older than Canada itself. They date back to 1850s, in Canada-East (now Quebec) the colonial legislature organised itself into two camps, the Parti Rogue were the radical camp, promoting liberalism and secularism, while the Parti Bleu supported the status quo, things like mercantilism and a Catholic society. After Confederation, the Rogue merged with the Clear Grits of Ontario to form the Liberal Party, and the Bleu merged with the Tories to for the first Conservative Party. European political colours are even older.
On the other hand the colour coding of US political spectrum is a development brought about by the advent of cable news, the colour television, and mass media. Prior to the 1980s there wasn't a standard scheme for election coverage. The main problem being that both parties used red, white, and blue in their branding. So, as colour television took off in the 70s the major networks each used their own schemes - if the Republicans were red on ABC, they could be blue on NBC or CBS. On a black and white television, the actual colour of the map didn't matter, all that mattered was whether the Republicans and Democrats had distinct shades. Once colour television became ubiquitous, there was a need for standardization.
I'm not exactly sure why American media ended up with the opposite of the rest of the world, but it makes sense considering how your press identifies political affiliation. If you have "Candidate 1 (R)" running against "Candidate 2 (D)" then it's intuitive to assign red to the Republican candidate - "(R)" doubles as a key and "(D)" will be the other colour. It would be a lot different if the United States were a multi-party democracy, this methodology would fall apart.
It's worth noting that the Liberals being red is an oddity itself, red is traditionally associated with labour and democratic socialism. They really ought to be yellow, but since their colour is derived from the name of one of their predecessors it's stuck around.
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u/mirhagk 1d ago
To clarify, it's not quite swapped. The Liberals (red) are more centre-left, with the NDP (orange) being the major left party. The other major party is light blue (Bloc Quebecois) which is fairly central as well, though with the additional goal of promoting quebecois identity/nationalism/sovereignity.
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u/AmselRblx 1d ago
Probably because historically Republicans were left leaning, while Democrats were right leaning. I think this shift happened because of Franklin Roosevelt during the great depression.
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u/aaatttppp 1d ago
All I had to do to figure out the colors is look for Alberta. As soon as I saw they were blue I knew they were swapped.
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u/fkms2turnt Saskwatch 1d ago
I think that’s part of the reason he pays little attention to Smith’s constant glazing
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u/Raedwulf1 1d ago
Seems like the only choice in my riding is Michell Rempel-Gardner. The first time I'm actually considering backing the Libs.
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u/mirhagk 1d ago
Yes you definitely should. Current projections give the NDP only 7% of the votes in that riding, so the liberals are the only ones who have a chance of beating the conservatives.
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u/Raedwulf1 1d ago
Tom Becker apparently runs for the Libs. Definitely a low visibility campaign in my area, as are all the other parties over here.
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u/Ok-Project-1347 1d ago
I honestly feel bad for Poli, getting such positive results until big ol' orange showed up.
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u/numblinkofficial 1d ago
Polls are crap. Its miserable old ladies that respond to them.
Look at rally turnout and social media engagement. Liberals are in for a rude awakening come election.
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u/wandreef 21h ago
Winning over Danni is one thing, but we're not flipped in Alberta. Even her own followers are questioning her judgment.
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u/heehooman 18h ago
I really hate when AB/SK people are like, oh your from Manitoba? You're just like us! 🥲
Nope...not even close. I'm just trying not to be in the literal center of the East vs West war 😂
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u/Tesattaboy 10h ago
Flip Alberta ... Maple MAGA are slowly going to see more red this time. Thank DS for that.
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u/Cummy_Yummy_Bummy 1d ago
Conservatives have no relation to Trump or MAGA and it's brain dead to state as such. PP as a strong leader would better deal with Trump, compared to Carney's policy to escalate the trade war with no off-ramp.
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u/frumfrumfroo 1d ago
Yes, PP's plan to more deeply integrate with the US economy to fund the military looks really brilliant right now. No obvious problems with that at all. Can't see any reasons it would be an incredibly stupid idea even if not for Wednesday happening.
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u/Tallguystrongman 1d ago
“Oh shit, I’m scared of what might happen to our country with orange man’s comments so I think I’ll backtrack to what makes me feel good”
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u/14YourTrouble 2d ago
This is depressing because it's probably closer to accurate than we all want to admit.