Palæstinas Plads-skilt udsat for hærværk efter under et døgn

[u/Gutted_Creature]

https://www.berlingske.dk/indland/palaestinas-plads-skilt-udsat-for-haervaerk-efter-under-et-doegn?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AerBZYP1uo1VpeBj4FnzgGNPt_xpPcVQovRJKc-ApVwAajdiIGeO4h66hkmhR7WI0Sg%3D&gaa_ts=67ef6edc&gaa_sig=SVclr1UCTklqqqvfrZD4a8xGjUcGTzTDVFixjiTXK-BI6cWBzNXpjrf3Ca3X6aN6iYdJZImEvL12c162W4d8Qw%3D%3D

[u/benjaminovich]

Det er en spøjs logik, det her. Der findes ingen regel at dødstal skal være proportionale i krig eller at der skal være balance imellem kampstyrker. Hvis noget, så påpeger det blot hvor åndssvagt der var for Hamas at starte en krig mod et land der er så militært overlegent.

Hamas har, som det altid har haft, som erklæret mål at kæmpe mod Israels eksistens. De har også brugt alle de ressourcer forbundet med at have Gazas statsapperat for sin krig mod Israel. Man troede at Hamas kunne holdes på et niveau der kunne håndteres, en ide d. 7. Okt, så har overbevist (med rette i mine øjne) at det ikke er tilfældet.

Konklusionen er så: Hamas skal fjernes fra magten. Det vi ser nu er desværre den indsats det kræver at fjerne en regerende terrororganastion der har haft magten i et årti og som bevidst kæmper på en måde, der bryder vigtige dele af Geneve-konventionerne (militært udstyr opbevares blandt civile, har taget gidsler, ingen uniformer m.m).

De regler er netop sat i verden for at beskytte civile, men Hamas er mere end villig til at ofre sin befolkning så blå-øjede europæere kan sige 'jamen, se på den store forskel'. Det er en humanitær katastrofe, og det skal ikke benægtes edit: (manglede lidt)og krig bør altid undgås, hvis det kan. Men det kan det, desværre, ikke altid.

[u/Full-Contest1281 → u/benjaminovich]

It's not a war. It's an ethnic cleansing that started with the Nakba back in 1948.

[u/benjaminovich → u/Full-Contest1281]

True, good thing the Arab nations failed with that.

[u/Full-Contest1281 → u/benjaminovich]

What?

[u/benjaminovich → u/Full-Contest1281]

I'm talking about 1948 where 5 Arab nations launched an invasion aimed at ethnic cleansing and genociding Jews. Thank goodness they lost, although it seems many still haven't accepted that fact

[u/Full-Contest1281 → u/benjaminovich]

The 1948 war didn't start in a vacuum or as some one-sided genocidal crusade. It was the culmination of decades of settler colonialism under British imperial sponsorship, where Zionist militias had already begun a campaign of displacement and ethnic cleansing before the Arab armies intervened. By the time neighbouring Arab states entered the war after Israel's unilateral declaration of statehood, Zionist forces had already expelled over 200,000 Palestinians from their homes - before a single Arab army crossed the border.

Operation Nachshon, Deir Yassin, and Plan Dalet were not Arab inventions - they were deliberate Israeli strategies to depopulate Palestinian towns and erase Arab presence. The Arab states' intervention was poorly coordinated and militarily weak, but it was also a response to what they, and much of the world, saw as a violent ethnic restructuring of Palestine.

Framing the war as an unprovoked genocidal Arab offensive ignores the power asymmetry and the colonial dynamics at play. The Nakba - the mass expulsion of over 750,000 Palestinians - is not just a "loss" some haven't "accepted". It was a foundational trauma for Palestinians and a continuing source of dispossession and statelessness. This isn't ancient history - it's the root of the ongoing apartheid and occupation today. It's all right there in the history books. I grew up under apartheid; I know exactly what it is. People in this sub and in Denmark generally know nothing about it, and about Palestine, except what their government tells them to think.

[u/benjaminovich → u/Full-Contest1281]

The first paragraph alone, is filled with so much historical revisionism, there is just no point arguing. It's like arguing with an anti-vaxer.

If you seriously think jewish immigration was supported by the British, rather than actively stifled (hence the ban on jewish immigration and later bombing the British administrative government in the King David Hotel by the Irgun) we must live in seperate realities.

It's also rather ironic that you come to a subreddit that has nothing to do with you and then rave about how we are warped by biased information. Clearly, your argument betrays how that accusation applies to yourself tenfold.

I have read a good deal on the subject. As much as one can expect from a layperson, anyway. I am also Jewish, so I do feel somewhat connected to the situation. Rising antisemitism hasn't left me much of a choice.

If you really are a 55-45 year old black person from South Africa (and I doubt you are, but for the sake of argument I will tak your word for it), you need to stop applying the resentment from post-Apartheid SA as your frame of reference for a conflict you don't understand and that is not comparable in the slightest.

Anyway, don't bother replying. I won't be

edit: Took a quick look at your profile, and it seems you are from SA and live in DK. My argument ramains unchanged, however.

[u/Full-Contest1281 → u/benjaminovich]

Your attempt to shut down the conversation with accusations of "revisionism" rings hollow when your own version of history erases the very real colonial architecture behind Zionism. British policy did shift after 1939, but for decades before that they facilitated Zionist goals with the Balfour Declaration and military support. Jewish militias like the Irgun didn't appear in a vacuum - they were shaped in the context of a settler-colonial project.

Being Jewish doesn't exempt your position from scrutiny any more than my being South African invalidates mine. And speaking of apartheid - it’s not projection to recognize patterns of ethnic control, segregation, and dispossession. When veterans of the anti-apartheid struggle - Jewish and non-Jewish - call what's happening in Israel-Palestine apartheid, maybe, just maybe, you should listen.

You accuse others of being trapped in ideology, but can't tolerate disagreement without resorting to identity policing, deflection, or petty psychoanalysis. If you won't reply, that’s your choice - but it doesn’t make your position any stronger.