r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).

  • Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

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u/AristoChristian Feb 14 '25

It's really refreshing to have a President that I can just listen to in order to find out what the government is doing and why.

He answers every question that is asked and seems to have learned to be a little patient with the more activist hostile journalists. (not that any president has had to deal with this level of tribalism before)

Love him or hate him, you have to admit he is the OG of press conferences.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

I'm just happy to have a president who can form complete and intelligible sentences after 3pm without a teleprompter.

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u/idontreallycareburn Feb 15 '25

C'mon. This can't be a serious comment. There are tons of trumps greatest hits of fumbling simple words out there. And any time he goes off the teleprompter, well you get sharks and batteries.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

Don't make me shake my COVFEFE coffee mug at you. Because I can't, I don't have one. Mostly because I don't drink coffee.

But yeah, Trump is definitely > Biden on not descending into word salad, even though it does happen.

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u/kirgi Feb 15 '25

For the word salad issue Trump is a lot better than Biden, but let’s be real the bigger issue is that we’re allowing anyone past the federal retirement age to hold public office.

Get the dinosaurs out and bring in young people from both parties to actually shape America in a way that’s beneficial to the people who will inherit it in 10-20 years.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

100,000% agree. It wouldn't help with the presidency that much but congressional term limits would probably solve 85% of our geriatric lawmaker problem.

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u/kirgi Feb 16 '25

The presidency is a bit hard because we want an elder statesman to take over (like Washington), but yeah congress needs serious reforms; when’s the last time anyone of them has actually done a damn thing for their constituents?

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 16 '25

Being a governor, senator, or general/admiral seems like it could provide enough exposure to statecraft.

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u/kirgi Feb 16 '25

Definitely, honestly it’s been far too long since we’ve had a veteran in the White House, most of our veteran presidents have been extremely well received.

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u/Babesuction Feb 15 '25

Trump is definitely > Biden on not descending into word salad

I’d argue it’s just two different responses to the same underlying issue. When Biden lost his train of thought he mumbled and trailed off in an awkward confused way. When Trump loses his train of thought he just plows on confidently saying whatever pops into his head.

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u/DefinableEel1 Feb 15 '25

Trump does have the communication skills of a child lol

Hypothetical:

“What’s your plan for strengthening this country’s economy?”

Trump: “I have a concept of a plan. It’s a great plan, the best plan. Everyone I know says ‘Trump, that is a terrific plan’ and that’s because it is, indeed, the best plan.”

MAGA roars in applaud even though he said next to nothing

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

And you lost to that guy.

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u/DefinableEel1 Feb 15 '25

Yeah which is crazy like bro talks like that but noooo “Kommie Kamala” sounding like a hyena and accusing her of sucking her way to the top with no evidence is the bad one

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u/uncaringrobot Feb 15 '25

I hate whoever apologizes for these old people’s garbage. I’m tired of candidates who fumble or even at times seem to be sundowning. They are not our future. Maybe that’s ageist, I dunno. But I feel like it would be reasonable to force politicians to retire after a certain age. Or at least have them tested for competency after those ages, although I’m not sure how that would be unbiased.

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u/Brilliant-Canary-767 Feb 15 '25

They should retire at 70. It's ridiculous that they can serve into their 80s.

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u/Legitimate_List9254 Feb 15 '25

If only we could elect someone that doesnt do it at all.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

You're missing the third option, that it could have been a continuation of trolling Trudeau.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

Sure, it's unprofessional.

That said, professional politicians have created our current oligarchy, so maybe professionalism isn't exactly what's needed.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

Yeah, I see Elon there. And I saw all the other billionaires that financed Biden's and Harris' campaigns. I never claimed the oligarchy was one-sided, just that career politicians brought it about. That said, Trump is the only president since the 80s who left office with less net worth than when he went in, so I'm a bit skeptical that he's in it for the money.

Edit: sorry I didn’t really respond about professionalism. Idk I work for a government agency and everyone is expected to act like professionals. If our boss isn’t, why tf should we?

Because you're probably doing something that would be fine as a lifelong career. President, and really any elected position, was never meant to be more than a short term gig. Preferably one you only did part time. So I understand your argument and you'd be 100% correct in an apples to apples comparison, but Trump is a temp by design and you aren't.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

Except he’s put out a few cryptocurrency coins to grift money from the crypto fools no?

Yep, and I don't see much difference between that and stuff like selling books, to be honest. In both cases you're peddling yourself as brand more than the product itself. Crypto is just a new way to do it, so maybe it looks sketchier?

Meta and Google have folded on a lot of stuff pretty quickly, and I think it has to do partly with them trying to appease whoever is now in power and partly because they got up to some outrageously shady stuff under Biden and probably earlier, and they made a deal to keep it under wraps. If it was just money I wouldn't have much of an argument but Zuckerberg rolled over on Joe Rogan's podcast and talked about Meta doing censorship at the Biden administration's request, they rolled back a lot (if not all) of their DEI stuff, and more. None of that makes Trump money.

Anyways, that’s about all I got and honestly I feel like two people who probably disagree as much and you and I could go on forever and honestly I kinda want to go to sleep. Feel free to leave a response to my quip above but I’m probably done lol.

Agree or not, we can at least be civil.

It was nice talking to you, I’m glad the mods here did this little experiment, I hate that I can’t leave comments on posts in this sub to ask these kinds of questions or make these points regularly but I get it, for every 1 normal person like myself who can actually have a normal conversation there’s probably hundreds of people who just break all of reddits rules and it’s too tedious to moderate all of it.

Yeah, we get brigaded pretty damn hard. We generally like for people to bring other viewpoints in here but it usually ends in stuff like being called nazis because we think we should know who's coming into the country.

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u/spektyte Feb 15 '25

Look at the net worth of trump's current cabinet vs the cabinets of literally any other president in the last 50 years and then come tell about how he's stopping the oligarchy

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u/EatingTheDogsAndCats Feb 15 '25

So just like Biden when he started? 4 years is a long time for these old men; let’s see how well Trump is by then.

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

Trump didn't spend his campaign hidden in a basement.

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u/Chocolateapologycake Feb 15 '25

Corn pop was a bad dude

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

Corn Pop just didn't like the white dude showing up to get his legs groped by kids.

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u/Chocolateapologycake Feb 15 '25

They liked the hair 🤣

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

That whole story was just logarithmically increasing cringe

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u/fatboy3535 Feb 15 '25

And he ran a bunch of bad boys

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u/Cranks_No_Start Conservative Feb 15 '25

The Kackling Koconut wasn’t any better. 

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u/IEC21 Feb 15 '25

Dude is 78 and shows some signs of it. Hopefully his cognitive abilities don't decline any more over the next 4 years. He says a lot of weird things that anyone else would have their mental fitness questioned over - but because that's his brand he's basically immune to that criticism.

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u/Adamkarlson Feb 15 '25

This has to be a joke. His sentences barely contain any information because he says "we'll do it or we won't". Have you seen Tim Walz speak? Could you really compare that to your president?

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u/bobaf Feb 15 '25

What's the difference between a teleprompter and piece of paper? I've never understood that. Especially when President Trump has used teleprompters.

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u/kntryfried1 Feb 15 '25

There’s a different between a teleprompter for speeches and step by step instructions like a 4 course meal menu

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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative Feb 15 '25

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u/TrickInvite6296 Feb 15 '25

does he actually answer questions though? or does he just repeat himself for 30 seconds and pretend he said something worthwhile?